Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #47

[riolove77]

I honestly am still curious about what his family thinks at this point. Do they believe that he did in fact do it? Do they think he did but only because SW “pushed him” to it? Do they fall into the camp of folks who think he took the plea but didn’t do it? Etc.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I think you're on to something here with this train of thought. I expect someone will write an in depth book about CW, similar to the books about Scott Peterson and one of my favorite true crime books, "Shattered", about David Temple. If the author researches CW's life thoroughly, I imagine they will uncover some interesting mother-son and father-son family dynamics, based on what we know about the majority of family annihilators.

I would imagine quite a few people have already started writing their books, as they see an opportunity to profit from a tragedy. Unfortunately for most of them, now that there will be no trial, many of those books will never be completed. The AP has managed to avoid exposure so far, but who knows if one day she’ll decide tell her side of the story, as everyone has a price.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Is "solitary" in a normal cell, alone, but without books & stuff? Or is it in some isolated room maybe without light, or what. I'm mixing a bunch of movies up in my head I think.

ETA I was reading backwards through the posts, now I see someone answered, but I wonder what the worst kind of solitary is, in the US.

I believe it’s more for his own protection, then simply punishment. Yeah, 23 hours a day alone in a cell, where your meals are brought to you through a slot in your steel door, an hour a day outside alone in a cage, and a private shower 3 times a week. That’s his new life. To me, life in prison is a worse punishment then the DP. And I hope he lives a long, long time.

 

[Zella]

I think you're on to something here with this train of thought. I expect someone will write an in depth book about CW, similar to the books about Scott Peterson and one of my favorite true crime books, "Shattered", about David Temple. If the author researches CW's life thoroughly, I imagine they will uncover some interesting mother-son and father-son family dynamics, based on what we know about the majority of family annihilators.

I can definitely see a Fatal Vision-type book coming out of this case.

 

[NuttMegg]

I believe it’s more for his own protection, then simply punishment. Yeah, 23 hours a day alone in a cell, where your meals are brought to you through a slot in your steel door, an hour a day outside alone in a cage, and a private shower 3 times a week. That’s his new life. To me, life in prison is a worse punishment then the DP. And I hope he lives a long, long time.

To someone like CW, who comes across to me as being a nebbish, a person who is basically just there, not a go getter, and eventually a proven coward, I think prison in some kind of confinement from getting killed will be fine for him. Maybe that sounds too snarky, but for the rest of his life, probably 40+ years to go, he doesn't have to think for one minute how to put food on the table, a roof over his head, provide for other people, smile when he isn't really participating, etc. Free medical. I don't know who pays for the books, but probably he gets access to a library or things sent to him by family and sycophants wanting to marry him.

So I just don't see it as such a bad place for a guy who first of all did something horrible, but secondly will probably do better in prison, if not murdered, than he did on the outside.

That's just how I look at it, assuming he gets books, (tv? internet? mail?) I really doubt he'll kill himself. Just that he needs to look out for others who might want to kill him, and if he is in some kind of protective custody, he will have a decent life. I think he has probably already switched it all around in his mind that one way or another it was all her fault.
ETA do convicted murderers in Colorado ever get conjugal visits? If so, he'll just marry someone with money, to bring him things and get his rocks off once in awhile. I see that in Peru, JVDS got married, either had a kid or is about to, and down there they have regular conjugal visits, even though being a convicted murderer. (Of a Peruvian lady, not Natalee).

 

[JudgeJudi]

The 3 year old is a maniac. She's the one that looks you right in the eye while doing the thing you just told her not to do. The one that sneaks candy, but is already learning to read. That breaks into the weirdest toddler dances you have ever seen for no reason whatsoever.

I agree with your entire post. I noticed in two of the videos that CeCe would start dancing and then Bella followed. Bella was obviously the quiet little child and a follower whereas CeCe was the "wild child" who would stand on her little bike instead of sit on it, fall off things etc. She was brave and adventurous. Bella was definitely the mothering type. She used to put her dolls to bed and even took a little Jesus ornament from the Christmas tree and put him to bed. They were both beautiful in their own way. I'll never get over what he did to them.

 

[NuttMegg]

I can definitely see a Fatal Vision-type book coming out of this case.

Too bad McGinnis is dead, hopefully there are others to write as well as he did in Fatal Vision.

Several posters here have mentioned that they have read or even written a lot of true crime books. I wish someone would start a thread with recommendations. I found fatal vision only because of the parallels to the CW mass murders.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Yep, pretty much the equivalent of dry-eyed "crying"!

If I had not known the topic of the interview and watched it muted, I would never have known this was a man in an apparently distressing situation.

Have you tried watching the interviews minus the sound? Never in your wildest dreams would think he was talking about his missing family let alone one he had brutally murdered.

 

[gitana1]

Read it more closely. It says something to the effect of under certain circumstances. Which @gitana1 explained. He's not getting out. Ever. jmo

Yup. He's done. No chance. It's over. I'm so happy!!

 

[Marli61]

I would feel conflicted, for sure, but I also think that his mother will visit. I am interested to see if he gets transferred to a federal facility near NC.

How do they determine where prisoners go? There are 3 federal prisons in Colorado. https://www.google.com/search?q=fed.....69i57j0l5.8388j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
And a large correctional facility in Limon Colorado
Google Maps: Report Inappropriate Image

Hopefully I did this right... this is my first time posting links... lol.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I’m curious, how does one become able to kill their own children before they even have them? Are there signs early in life, such as killing small animals etc? We know so very little about CWs past and I’m wondering if their were any signs. I just don’t get it.

Perpetrators that grow up killing animals and progressed to humans are a different type then from Chris. Those people get pleasure from killing some type of reward , that is not Chris. He killed his children because he lacks the emotions/ bonding that the rest of us have that would prevent us from killing our children. someone who truly loves their children and has bonded with them would not choose to kill them as the answer to whatever conflict they have, they would not be able to find a reason to justify killing thtor children and expect to live their life as normal. He is wired differently, has some wires crossed. Whatever the situation was with the death of SW, he chose to kill those children because in his mind their deaths benefited him somehow.

 

[sun16]

I'm not certain he'll be making admissions or excuses for what he's done. If he says anything I think it will be to apologise to the family, not that that will mean anything. He's shown no remorse whatsoever.

I think when the judge asks CW if there is anything he wants to say, he will reply “No sir”, and that will be it.

 

[sun16]

I honestly am still curious about what his family thinks at this point. Do they believe that he did in fact do it? Do they think he did but only because SW “pushed him” to it? Do they fall into the camp of folks who think he took the plea but didn’t do it? Etc.

Who knows, unless they speak. I’ve never even seen them on camera, or a photo. But I admit I haven’t looked hard at all.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

That's good. Six years ago, the outgoing Mississippi governor pardoned 14 convicted murderers.

Outgoing Mississippi governor issues nearly 200 pardons - CNN

I think this would be an extremely long shot in this case and it wouldn't even be an issue for many years or even decades, probably, but stranger things have happened.

I didnt think in terms of a pardon. Tex I can say it’s very possible in the realm of being hit by aliens while finishing my coffee, I can’t imagine an application for pardon getting much past an office shredder in a Governors Office.

Even in decades to come, the images of a pregnant Shannan and two girls would prevent any positive action on CWs behalf.

In a few short weeks CW will take one of his final rides in a bus. He will be initiated into a life with no purpose. He has nothing normal to look forward to and the only human touch he will have is from jail staff and inmates just like him. And each will know he murdered 3 innocents and his wife.

 

[sun16]

I would imagine quite a few people have already started writing their books, as they see an opportunity to profit from a tragedy. Unfortunately for most of them, now that there will be no trial, many of those books will never be completed. The AP has managed to avoid exposure so far, but who knows if one day she’ll decide tell her side of the story, as everyone has a price.

This is sort of what i had mentioned several threads back. That if he did a plea, and there was no trial, some info will come out, but nowhere near what would come out with lots of witnesses on the stand. There is a ton we’ll never know, that we spent pages and pages asking about.

 

[Mellowmelly]

To someone like CW, who comes across to me as being a nebbish, a person who is basically just there, not a go getter, and eventually a proven coward, I think prison in some kind of confinement from getting killed will be fine for him. Maybe that sounds too snarky, but for the rest of his life, probably 40+ years to go, he doesn't have to think for one minute how to put food on the table, a roof over his head, provide for other people, smile when he isn't really participating, etc. Free medical. I don't know who pays for the books, but probably he gets access to a library or things sent to him by family and sycophants wanting to marry him.

So I just don't see it as such a bad place for a guy who first of all did something horrible, but secondly will probably do better in prison, if not murdered, than he did on the outside.

That's just how I look at it, assuming he gets books, (tv? internet? mail?) I really doubt he'll kill himself. Just that he needs to look out for others who might want to kill him, and if he is in some kind of protective custody, he will have a decent life. I think he has probably already switched it all around in his mind that one way or another it was all her fault.
ETA do convicted murderers in Colorado ever get conjugal visits? If so, he'll just marry someone with money, to bring him things and get his rocks off once in awhile. I see that in Peru, JVDS got married, either had a kid or is about to, and down there they have regular conjugal visits, even though being a convicted murderer. (Of a Peruvian lady, not Natalee).

I agree, except he won’t have to look outside of prison the get his rocks off.

 

[Mellowmelly]

There are a few non-important but nagging things, (aside from the important ones such as how and why he did it) ie why was he mentioning the baby monitor several times. What really did go on with the baby monitor?

Perhaps it was SW who caught him murdering Bella and Cece on the monitors and she came to defend them, maybe we will never know as the only people who know are him and the beautiful innocent souls he extinguished.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

While I agree that it is in general a great trait, the problem with CW believers was that it meant they did the opposite with his victim -- to see the good in CW was to see the bad in SW. This is what made the comments of many of CW's defenders upsetting to all of us who saw Shan'ann and her children as innocent victims of a despicable liar. There was a lot of victim bashing in order to "stay open" and defend the indefensible. Just MOO.

Absolutely agree and I’d add that some are so emotionally invested to the point that SW has to be the bad one, the one with problems in this scenario and nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[kaykay543]

Too bad McGinnis is dead, hopefully there are others to write as well as he did in Fatal Vision.

Several posters here have mentioned that they have read or even written a lot of true crime books. I wish someone would start a thread with recommendations. I found fatal vision only because of the parallels to the CW mass murders.

Be sure to read Salt of the Earth by Jack Olsen. One of the best true crime writers.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Too bad McGinnis is dead, hopefully there are others to write as well as he did in Fatal Vision.

Several posters here have mentioned that they have read or even written a lot of true crime books. I wish someone would start a thread with recommendations. I found fatal vision only because of the parallels to the CW mass murders.

Any of Ann Rule's books. You feel like you are there at the scene. Plus factually so well researched.