Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #47

[idfinch]

Soon the darkness and dangers will begin for CW as he enters the Colorado Department of Corrections. The journey will begin with processing through Denver Reception and Diagnostic Center, which generally takes around 28 days. In DRDC his needs will be assessed and his custody level and his long term facility assignment will be determined. While there he will submit his phone list for approval (persons he may call). After that he will be going to a very contained, very controlled, very masculine environment. Upon arrival he will be a celebrity, not in a good way, but as a target, like Jared Fogel, Charlie Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer and others, who were attacked in prison. Fogel was beaten, Manson was set on fire, and Dahmer was beaten to death. CW has been in the media spotlight and he carries that with him into prison where there will be prisoners who will believe that harming or killing CW will gain them the media spotlight and/or give them gravitas with other prisoners. There will also be prisoners who will want to harm CW because he killed little children. In prison there will be a real threat of bodily harm, rape, even murder. Prison will be different from his time in jail and very much different from his past life. He will have to share a cell. CW will be LWOP, and from what I've read, there will be no interest or need to rehabilitate him, he's there until he dies. He will be allowed some visitors, sometimes. Visitations do get cancelled. If he does any work he can look forward to earning $.13 to $.38 per hour (that's cents!) He will have an account his earned money goes into and into which his family, etc., can deposit money. The money can be used at the commissary. His friendships and romances will be limited and defined by his surroundings.

CW will no longer have any privacy, not even going to the bathroom. He will no longer have a drivers license. He will never own or drive a vehicle again. No more trips or vacations. No going out to dinner, shopping, movies, concerts, etc. In fact, no going out. No meal choices. No clothing choices (bye-bye spiffy shirts). No credit cards. No more cell phone (if caught with a contraband phone it will be confiscated and he will be punished!). All of the ordinary things available to us, that we take for granted, will be denied to CW, for the rest of his life. He will be very, very limited as to any goals he may set or plans he makes. He will be what he is, for the rest of his life; a prisoner, an inmate. A bad memory.


Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) | Department of Corrections

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I just don't understand. He had a woman who loved him and seemed devoted to him and to his well being. He had a wife and family who loved him. They gave to him in so many ways. He had a bright future full of possibilities. Now they are gone, the future is gone, and only pain, sorrow, and confusion remain. What did he want and need that led to this horrible nightmare? I just don't understand.

Yes. Extremely powerful post and deserves quoting yet again. This paints a very haunting picture of what CW faces as he adjusts to prison life. As a man with no record, the shock and horror is going to be massive.

It does make me think he might harm himself. I hope he doesn't. He deserves to serve out his entire sentence in this kind of misery.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Very excited to hear tonight's podcast, thank you to everyone who is participating! Popcorn, definitely!

Catching up from earlier discussion and not worth a separate post, but as far as CW's mom visiting, I think she will and he will want her to do so. I'll be surprised if they don't try to get him moved to a NC prison.

If the usual way FA and family dynamics apply, I'd be willing to bet a whole lot I don't even have that CW & closest family members are still bitter and blaming Shanann for all of this in some way. JMO.

The alleged male AP said that CW told him he was " abused and trapped in a loveless marriage, trapped by the kids" so that was probably his standard spiel.
We have seen that CW's family did not like SW, so it follows it was all her fault...

 

[Jennifer17]

The alleged male AP said that CW told him he was " abused and trapped in a loveless marriage, trapped by the kids" so that was probably his standard spiel.
We have seen that CW's family did not like SW, so it follows it was all her fault...

We will never understand why he didn't just leave them. His family would have supported that decision it seems.

 

[ZsaZsa]

We will never understand why he didn't just leave them. His family would have supported that decision it seems.

Or at the very least have a vasectomy, not compound the problem with another child.

 

[Zella]

I think if they had divorced, he would have spun it to where he seemed like the victim. Besides, I don't know that getting divorced affects a man's reputation like it does a woman's for many people. Not sure why, but I hear a lot of people make nasty assumptions about divorced women that they don't about divorced men.

The child support on 3 kids would have been a financial burden, for sure, but I don't think getting divorced would have drastically affected his work life or his dating life. One of the biggest changes would be a matter of convenience--no wife to keep the ginormous house spotless and go through the mail and pre-make weeks' worth of meals for his lazy .

 

[Thepoet]

Yes. Extremely powerful post and deserves quoting yet again. This paints a very haunting picture of what CW faces as he adjusts to prison life. As a man with no record, the shock and horror is going to be massive.

It does make me think he might harm himself. I hope he doesn't. He deserves to serve out his entire sentence in this kind of misery.

Thanks. I agree the shock and horror will be massive, and being alone in a cell in JAIL hasn't prepared him. I also hope he doesn't commit suicide. I suspect he may be too much of a coward.

 

[Only4Justice]

What just baffles me beyond belief is what makes a person 'fix' things the way he did? Now i know what I speak of here....... Just like him, I had a relationship, marriage and kids. Nice home, job, loving parents and good friends. And I just walked out on it all. Yep, left behind a shocked husband, devastated young children, mortified parents and angry friends. Just snapped. Walked out that door and didn't look back for years. Not my finest moments, however...I guess I can be thankful every day that while my coping skills left nothing to be desired, I could never ever hurt another human being physically, especially not my children. I hear about cases like this and can only wish that he had the sense to just walk away. For anyone that says you can't always just do that, I am here to say you can.
I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that he chose such an option that he did. The thought never ever would have occurred to me to do what he did.
ps....just to add a footnote, in the past 10 years my now adult children and I have been rebuilding our relationship. They are gift and I am forever grateful that they found a way to let me back into their lives.

Thanks for your post. I completely agree. xoxo

 

[mtnlites]

I’m curious, how does one become able to kill their own children before they even have them? Are there signs early in life, such as killing small animals etc? We know so very little about CWs past and I’m wondering if their were any signs. I just don’t get it.

I think it's less about showing the capability of killing and more about detachment. I feel like CW killed his family not because he's a raging psychopath with a history of hurting small animals and enjoying watching people suffer, but because people mean nothing to him and he has trouble forming attachments. When he killed his family, IMO it was less about "killing" and more about just eliminating objects that were in his way. I don't know if there were any signs in CW's past, but I know some similar folks who I went to school with (who later went on to kill family members) and in hindsight I can say that though there were never any outwards signs of them being "off", they never really formed attachments to people. They didn't have best friends. Didn't date. Didn't show empathy towards others. They could fit into groups of people, seemed to have "friends", but when you REALLY looked at them, there was no closeness between them any anyone else.

I mean, we don't really have enough info about his life or past to draw any conclusions so I'm basically just shooting the breeze here. But none of that would surprise me to find it applies to him.

 

[Marli61]

Welcome back Jennifer - we MISSED you!

Yes we did!!

 

[Zella]

I think it's less about showing the capability of killing and more about detachment. I feel like CW killed his family not because he's a raging psychopath with a history of hurting small animals and enjoying watching people suffer, but because people mean nothing to him and he has trouble forming attachments. When he killed his family, IMO it was less about "killing" and more about just eliminating objects that were in his way. I don't know if there were any signs in CW's past, but I know some similar folks who I went to school with (who later went on to kill family members) and in hindsight I can say that though there were never any outwards signs of them being "off", they never really formed attachments to people. They didn't have best friends. Didn't date. Didn't show empathy towards others. They could fit into groups of people, seemed to have "friends", but when you REALLY looked at them, there was no closeness between them any anyone else.

I mean, we don't really have enough info about his life or past to draw any conclusions so I'm basically just shooting the breeze here. But none of that would surprise me to find it applies to him.

BBM

And that actually seems to match the information we got on him before he married SW. He didn't seem to have any long-term relationships. He had people who "knew" him, but it didn't seem like any really close friends emerged from his life in NC. Even the one high school teacher who talked about him admitted CW was a fairly quiet loner. His friends in Colorado seemed to be couple friends rather than his friends.

 

[mtnlites]

Too bad McGinnis is dead, hopefully there are others to write as well as he did in Fatal Vision.

Several posters here have mentioned that they have read or even written a lot of true crime books. I wish someone would start a thread with recommendations. I found fatal vision only because of the parallels to the CW mass murders.

I made a living as a true crime ghostwriter (I wrote the books and other people got the credit) for a long time. I haven't done it for a few years, mostly because my own books started taking up my own time, but I can say that several of us have been approached over the past few weeks about writing one for this case. I would expect to see one as early as late spring or early next fall. It won't be me, but someone will do it. And it will be a good one with professional research, interviews with many of the key players, etc. The writers I always worked with did a darn good job of ensuring that the books were as researched as possible-and they didn't gain their info from forums and social media groups as many as these hastily put together pamphlets that are cropping up on Amazon have done.

 

[molly1255]

Here's an old article about the SP jurors and the boat. The judge would not declare a mistrial at the time, but Scott's legal team and family are still appealing.

Peterson trial jury rocks the boat – East Bay Times

The third full day of deliberations began with a couple of jurors hopping inside Peterson’s fishing boat and rocking back and forth to test its stability, an action that incited defense attorney Mark Geragos to demand a mistrial.

“At least two of the jurors were rocking around, and when I say rocking, I mean rocking,” Geragos said in a brief hearing after the viewing of the boat. Geragos asked the judge to declare a mistrial or at least allow him to play for the jury a defense-produced video demonstration of the boat’s stability, previously barred as evidence. The defense contention is that the boat would have capsized if Scott Peterson, as prosecutors believe, had tried to dump his pregnant wife Laci’s 153-pound body into San Francisco Bay.

Judge Delucchi denied both requests.

During Monday’s viewing, Delucchi reminded the jury that the boat was not in the water, it was on a trailer, and that they should consider that fact in their deliberations.

Geragos said the jurors’ actions in the boat amounted to an “experiment,” which the law prohibits. They are to only use the evidence presented in court in their deliberations.

The only thing I can see in the defense-produced video is that they intentionally caused the boat to capsize - lol.

It will be very interesting to see what happens with the SP appeal.

 

[Only4Justice]

Soon the darkness and dangers will begin for CW as he enters the Colorado Department of Corrections. The journey will begin with processing through Denver Reception and Diagnostic Center, which generally takes around 28 days. In DRDC his needs will be assessed and his custody level and his long term facility assignment will be determined. While there he will submit his phone list for approval (persons he may call). After that he will be going to a very contained, very controlled, very masculine environment. Upon arrival he will be a celebrity, not in a good way, but as a target, like Jared Fogel, Charlie Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer and others, who were attacked in prison. Fogel was beaten, Manson was set on fire, and Dahmer was beaten to death. CW has been in the media spotlight and he carries that with him into prison where there will be prisoners who will believe that harming or killing CW will gain them the media spotlight and/or give them gravitas with other prisoners. There will also be prisoners who will want to harm CW because he killed little children. In prison there will be a real threat of bodily harm, rape, even murder. Prison will be different from his time in jail and very much different from his past life. He will have to share a cell. CW will be LWOP, and from what I've read, there will be no interest or need to rehabilitate him, he's there until he dies. He will be allowed some visitors, sometimes. Visitations do get cancelled. If he does any work he can look forward to earning $.13 to $.38 per hour (that's cents!) He will have an account his earned money goes into and into which his family, etc., can deposit money. The money can be used at the commissary. His friendships and romances will be limited and defined by his surroundings.

CW will no longer have any privacy, not even going to the bathroom. He will no longer have a drivers license. He will never own or drive a vehicle again. No more trips or vacations. No going out to dinner, shopping, movies, concerts, etc. In fact, no going out. No meal choices. No clothing choices (bye-bye spiffy shirts). No credit cards. No more cell phone (if caught with a contraband phone it will be confiscated and he will be punished!). All of the ordinary things available to us, that we take for granted, will be denied to CW, for the rest of his life. He will be very, very limited as to any goals he may set or plans he makes. He will be what he is, for the rest of his life; a prisoner, an inmate. A bad memory.


Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) | Department of Corrections

https://www.sos.state.co.us/CCR/GenerateRulePdf.do?ruleVersionId=414

http://www2.cde.state.co.us/artemis/crserials/cr110014internet/cr110014200209internet.pdf

I just don't understand. He had a woman who loved him and seemed devoted to him and to his well being. He had a wife and family who loved him. They gave to him in so many ways. He had a bright future full of possibilities. Now they are gone, the future is gone, and only pain, sorrow, and confusion remain. What did he want and need that led to this horrible nightmare? I just don't understand.

Thank you. I couldn’t have expressed it better. xoxo

 

[sun16]

Yes. Extremely powerful post and deserves quoting yet again. This paints a very haunting picture of what CW faces as he adjusts to prison life. As a man with no record, the shock and horror is going to be massive.

It does make me think he might harm himself. I hope he doesn't. He deserves to serve out his entire sentence in this kind of misery.

Agree. My thought is ... I know the court appearances have been upsetting for him—especially the plea deal one. Who knows how else he’s been, in jail or during lawyer meetings. If he’s this upset at these events, how in the world will he handle prison? Yes, he can bite his lip and try to psyche himself up every day for this—and it will be something bad every day, but geez.

 

[nwmouse]

I want to add, I’m currently watching The Killing Season, I had no idea it had so much to do with Websleuths! So cool!

Ok I won’t derail the thread anymore, just wanted to say that somewhere here!

What what? I love that show The Killing Season! What does it have to do with WS?

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Or at the very least have a vasectomy, not compound the problem with another child.

I thought he and SW planned to have another baby. No?

 

[liltexans]

What what? I love that show The Killing Season! What does it have to do with WS?

The Killing Season was a collaboration between Websleuths and A&E. Tricia was featured in several episodes and several WS members from the LISK forum were also featured in the series. Unfortunately, A&E did not renew the series after the first season.

Here's a link to our forum about the show:

THE KILLING SEASON | Websleuths

 

[nwmouse]

I think if they had divorced, he would have spun it to where he seemed like the victim. Besides, I don't know that getting divorced affects a man's reputation like it does a woman's for many people. Not sure why, but I hear a lot of people make nasty assumptions about divorced women that they don't about divorced men.

The child support on 3 kids would have been a financial burden, for sure, but I don't think getting divorced would have drastically affected his work life or his dating life. One of the biggest changes would be a matter of convenience--no wife to keep the ginormous house spotless and go through the mail and pre-make weeks' worth of meals for his lazy .

Men, and I call CW that loosely because real men do not do what this monster has done, own their faults and mistakes.

Cowards like CW will always blame others for their own weakness and pathetic inability to lead a decent, productive life.

I don't know why, but the thought of SW being such an awesome wife that she actually pre-made all his meals so he didn't have to cook makes me even more angry at him. Lout!

Wish she'd added a little extra "something" to those meals! Ahem.

MOO

 

[nwmouse]

The Killing Season was a collaboration between Websleuths and A&E. Tricia was featured in several episodes and several WS members from the LISK forum were also featured in the series. Unfortunately, A&E did not renew the series after the first season.

Here's a link to our forum about the show:

THE KILLING SEASON | Websleuths

Oh thank you, liltexans! Off to read.

 

[liltexans]

Men, and I call CW that loosely because real men do not do what this monsters has done, own their faults and mistakes.

Cowards like CW will always blame others for their own weakness and pathetic inability to lead a decent, productive life.

I don't know why but the thought of SW being such an awesome wife that she actually pre-made all his meals so he didn't have to cook makes me even more angry at him. Lout!

Wish she'd added a little extra "something" to those meals! Ahem.

MOO

I'll keep this general since I don't know any of CW's background/childhood history, but many, if not most, FAs never had to own their faults and mistakes in their lives. Many men who went on to kill their pregnant wives and/or their entire families had parents (mothers, in particular) who sheltered them to an absurd degree and protected their sons at all costs growing up. I hate to blame moms, truly I do, but FAs seem to be "products" of narcissistic mothering. David Temple is a great example (although he is not a true FA since he didn't harm his son physically, "just" his pregnant wife/unborn daughter). His mother and father, but especially his mother, to this day, think David hung the moon and the stars above. They overlooked all of his troubles growing up and swept them under the rug. He literally could do no wrong in their eyes. He was a football star (sort of) and they just would not or could not believe he was capable of horrific violence.

We have seen many other cases of grown men who murdered their pregnant wives and/or their entire families whose mothers go to their own graves believing their son didn't commit the murder(s). They have "fixed" everything for their son for so long, it can't be possible that their precious boy could do something so bad. It goes against the family's reputation and the image of their perfect son.

Denial is really powerful and narcissistic parenting is incredibly damaging. If junior can do no wrong in the eyes of his family, then how can he ever learn that actions have consequences? Mom will fix it. She always has.