Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #48

[mtnlites]

Exactly. But they will even find a way to justify and explain that.

If they had a video of him actually killing them, these people would probably just go with some sort of mental health excuse.

Anything to accept the truth.

If they had a videotape of it, I strongly believe that SW would still be blamed for causing the strife inside of him to build and finally erupt. They'd buy that he did it, but it would still be her fault.

 

[MCDRAW]

I think CW's parents' reaction is what I would expect. I have no doubt they are devastated and bewildered. If I was the mother of a murderer, especially a child murderer, I would feel that something I had or hadn't done had made them capable of this.
Mrs Watts says her son "is not a sociopath or a psychopath". I think what the evidence shows increasingly is that even people who commit heinous crimes may maintain ostensibly normal and warm relationships with other people - people who support them and are not in the way of what they want. Different faces are shown to different people.

And I think it's understandable that they will seek any explanation that will help to mitigate their son's guilt, cover-up, lawyer shenanigans, Shannan's fault, some ""trigger" that explains it all, rather than the small, nasty truth that their son was prepared to murder their grandchildren and his pregnant wife so he could enjoy himself. The banality of evil yet again.
And I think CW is more than happy to let them carry on in their efforts.

I can understand them not understanding or even believing he killed them, but he isn't 12. He could have talked to them about it over the phone had he wanted to. Shan'ann's parents didn't get to talk to their daughter either. It was so very quick for them too. I understand that they don't care about Shan'ann or that's the impression I have gotten. What I can't understand is no mention of their grand babies, by name. They were called the girls. They seem to forget by killing Shan'ann he did kill one grand baby. So obviously, he is capable of killing children.

 

[Jennifer17]

Agree completely. I expect like me, others here try and imagine being at the scene of a crime, in that house, with our invisibility cloaks on, who said what, who died first, how did he do it? And I as a complete stranger can't visualise a man going into his child's bedroom, strangling her and then repeating it with the other child. So I can't blame his parents for literally not being able to believe it.
That's why I hope that, distressing as it will be, the grim details of exactly what CW did must be put out there (in a factual, non-sensationalist manner). Even then, I think some people will still create myths about this case.

I wouldn't be able to believe it either, but I hope that I would never try to blame a victim for it.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Yes. It is all his own doing. It is his choice to shut them out. His lawyers work for him, not the other way around.

No one is shutting down communication unless that is what he wants.

If he had wanted to, he could have phoned them every day.He didn't want to talk about it with them, of all people. A bit of guilt crept in and he didn't want to have to listen to his mother IMO. I feel sure if his attorney " shut her up" as she says, it was because CW had told them he wasn't going to discuss it with his mom.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

So could his attorneys seek legal ramifications against her? To insinuate that he was coerced and that his attorneys somehow bulldozed him into this decision just reeks of defamation.

She would have to get in line behind the other defense attorney that has the podcast that has been using a word such as trickery in relationship to the defense.

 

[MassGuy]

If he had wanted to, he could have phoned them every day.He didn't want to talk about it with them, of all people. A bit of guilt crept in and he didn't want to have to listen to his mother IMO. I feel sure if his attorney " shut her up" as she says, it was because CW had told them he wasn't going to discuss it with his mom.

Exactly. His call. And I’m sure his attorneys were more than happy to oblige.

I wouldn’t want to deal with that if I were them.

 

[pocketaccent]

Ha! I doubt he ever made a bed in his life.

Too complicated for him.

We do know that he knows how to strip the bed though.

 

[Seattle1]

Even as a parent I think I would realize that he doesn't want to tell his parents that he killed them all. They disliked SW, so admitting to killing her after the events he fabricated is one thing, but admitting to killing the girls is something he is never going to want to admit to their faces. He's admitted it via the Plea Agreement and they can't accept it. I noted that none of the attorneys involved Denver 7 reached out to would even respond to them. They badly need independent counsel to explain to them how the law works, why she was shut down, etcetera, because they don't have a grasp on it and the people they think should give them answers aren't in a position to do so. They are never going to have private time with CW again, no matter how much they want it, and I'm guessing that's a relief for him because he's not up for telling them the truth beyond them learning to adjust to it via events.

It's no surprise here that Mrs Watts is blaming the female public defender as the one "shutting her down" from talking sense to her son. She can't accept that CW did not name his folks as "approved visitors," and did not use his 15 minute collect calling time allotment to converse with them. Sorry, this is no parent teacher conference, and you can't demand CW given an opportunity to complete extra credit task and make this all go away. Your son is a brutal murderer, who never deserved a family. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

We do know that he knows how to strip the bed though.

Touché.

 

[tmar]

Not that either, but I am on the other side of the world.

And me.
We miss out!

 

[Jennifer17]

At the 1:37 mark the reporter says, "And Cindy says this is based on the conversation - the 1/2 hour conversation she had with him shortly after he was arrested."

Did the reporter get that wrong? I thought the 30-minute conversation she had with CW was just prior (day before?) to the status hearing when he pled guilty. If she spoke with him shortly after he was arrested, why are they saying they haven't been allowed to speak to him? MOO

I am not sure that they are interested enough to get all the facts. It was after his plea deal.

 

[PommyMommy]

Who was it that transcribed the AB show every night for us - maybe she could type it up ....?

That's our awesome @Layla123

That's it, too. He's not going to tell his parents that killed his little girls. Ever.

I can't remember the rules regarding phone calls for him while he's been in jail, but I know he's allowed visitors.

Per the DA, the plea deal has been in the works for weeks. It sounds to me like he either avoided his parents completely, or if talked to them, he never told them what he was doing. That's the impression I have.

While on close watch protocol he is/was allowed one hour out of his cell, could read the newspaper and make phone calls to family and his legal team. And, if he wasn't allowed visitors, there would have been no reason to file a motion to seal his visitor logs. MOO

 

[cailleach]

I watched it but could get any sound. What was the point of showing his pics?

Because his mother is trying to show he's not a sociopath or psychopath. As if they all have to look like Manson or something.

They want to present this as if he killed her in a rage after the events he made up to try and save his own from all of the murder charges. It's like they don't acknowledge that he gave interviews lying about their disappearance, smiling, laughing, talking about his cool shirt, and that he cost this state a huge amount of money and resources trying to get away with murder. They also insist he was leaving her because he told his dad he didn't love her anymore. They never even acknowledged Nico's existance which sickened me. It was like "Sure he killed her (as if she deserved it) but not the girls and no acknowledgement of the baby he also killed. I'm sorry but they made a bad impression on me with their smugness.

 

[molly1255]

I got quite pizzed off when the newsman asked them "was he leaving her, or was she leaving him?" and they shot back "He was leaving HER" (like they were pleased, he was justified) then dad said "he wasn't in love with her no more". Well a big fat so WHAT! He has 3 kids with her - guess what, it's not all about YOU anymore .The selfishness stuns me and I can see they would have enabled/ encouraged it.

Agree. That was unbelievable. This kind of thing has been going on since he was a little boy, IMO.

 

[MCDRAW]

If they had a videotape of it, I strongly believe that SW would still be blamed for causing the strife inside of him to build and finally erupt. They'd buy that he did it, but it would still be her fault.

I was really amazed that they seemed okay with him killing Shan'ann. No mention of Nico. I know this is mean but I hope the DA sees this and releases every bit of evidence against CW. They can continue to deny it, but the world will know. With the way he appears to have been raised, it is truly amazing that he pled guilty. In my opinion, he knows the evidence against him.

 

[molly1255]

That's our awesome @Layla123

While on close watch protocol he is/was allowed one hour out of his cell, could read the newspaper and make phone calls to family and his legal team. And, if he wasn't allowed visitors, there would have been no reason to file a motion to seal his visitor logs. MOO

Thank you. He either didn't talk to them, and if he did, he left them in the dark. That is, if his parents are to be believed and that they didn't know.

 

[tmar]

Yes. It is all his own doing. It is his choice to shut them out. His lawyers work for him, not the other way around.

No one is shutting down communication unless that is what he wants.

Could CW request, through his lawyers, that his parents don't attend on the 19th.
CW knows his mother, is aware of her outburst previously.
Can CW's mother be subject to 'contempt of court', if she continues in this way, after being told to keep quiet?
I guess the Judge will be lenient trying to understand her.
MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

I was really amazed that they seemed okay with him killing Shan'ann. No mention of Nico. I know this is mean but I hope the DA sees this and releases every bit of evidence against CW. They can continue to deny it, but the world will know. With the way he appears to have been raised, it is truly amazing that he pled guilty. In my opinion, he knows the evidence against him.

I don’t think the DA needs any extra motivation to release that evidence.

I’m sure he wants to nail CW to the wall, in the courtroom and in the public realm.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I can just picture these folks comments if the situation was reversed and SW took off and left him with a baby, a 3 and 4 yr old, to care for because she "didn't love him no more".
Scathing!

 

[gitana1]

Nice summation, @gitana1 It has also occurred to me that he can't stand the idea of being unmasked, then add to that being unmasked with the help of AP who was at least part of his motivation for doing this. I have no reason to believe she didn't cooperate fully with LE or to doubt that she would testify in court. What a blow to a FA to have someone they had duped into thinking he was this great guy worthy of cheating with sit there and tell the lies he had told her, possibly even give testimony for how they knew the tanks had been disturbed, etcetera.

Very true. I hadn't thought of that.

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Yet people believed it! People still do? I think hate is stronger than logic. That's all I can imagine.