Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #48

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Exclusive: Parents of Chris Watts speak out after his murder plea deal
"It was a very hard relationship," said Cindy Watts, Chris' mother. "It was a very hard relationship (with Shanann) as far as I'm concerned. I couldn't do anything right."

The Wattses said their son changed once he met Shanann.

The Wattses said their son's relationship with Shanann was abusive and they felt she isolated Chris from his family in the time they were together.

Ronnie said he believes the initial thing Chris told police -- that he killed his wife only after finding out she had strangled their daughters.

"It's hard for me to believe that he would hurt them girls no matter what," he said. "The story he told me that night, I believed it: The way he looked at me, the way he was crying, I believed it."

They are hoping someone else might step up to defend Chris

Thanks for posting. I’m not sure why they didn’t want to show their faces on camera when they already have in other tv interviews :-/

 

[bonjoviblonde]

I agree, however, if CW's parents were allowed to discuss his plea with him, they may have had a better understanding which may have prevented this outburst. It will be interesting to see if the PD advises them not to talk to the media as I doubt that they would want to deal to be discussed negatively.
IMO

Are we certain they didn’t get to discuss anything with CW? I thought they were able to speak with him for 30 minutes or am I mixing up a different time? Maybe CW doesn’t want to talk to her about the plea or maybe he did talk to her but she just doesn’t like that she couldn’t make him do what she wanted. I will never have any respect for CW but I really hope he continues to do the right thing since pleading guilty. He should start that by asking his family not to bad mouth his victim.

 

[AbbyG]

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Isn't this all speculation about what we do not and cannot know? IMO those TV interviews showing CW's parents making digs at the wife their son murdered, with premeditation, certainly speaks to their character. I'm shocked that their only grief seems to be for their son having to die in prison, not for their grandchildren having to die at the hands of their own father, including their unborn grandchild; and where is the empathy for their pregnant daughter-in-law murdered by her trusted husband who no longer loved her? It's sad, pathetic and repugnant. MOO and IMO. I hope no one will make the same mistake twice as some of those who wanted to believe CW at the expense of his victim now seem inclined to want to believe CW's parents at the expense of his victim and HER parents, too. I will never understand those who gravitate toward CW in this way. All IMO and MOO.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Not sure if this update has been posted...but SW’s parents respond to CW’s parents media blitz with a statement. It is not included near the end of this article:

Chris Watts' parents break their silence after son's guilty plea in murder of wife, daughters

 

[Nikynoo]

Isn't this all speculation about what we do not and cannot know? IMO those TV interviews showing CW's parents making digs at the wife their son murdered, with premeditation, certainly speaks to their character. I'm shocked that their only grief seems to be for their son having to die in prison, not for their grandchildren having to die at the hands of their own father, including their unborn grandchild; and where is the empathy for their pregnant daughter-in-law murdered by her trusted husband who no longer loved her? It's sad, pathetic and repugnant. MOO and IMO. I hope no one will make the same mistake twice as some of those who wanted to believe CW at the expense of his victim now seem inclined to want to believe CW's parents at the expense of his victim and HER parents, too. I will never understand those who gravitate toward CW in this way. All IMO and MOO.

I not sure what you mean? My response was to another poster.

 

[Nikynoo]

Are we certain they didn’t get to discuss anything with CW? I thought they were able to speak with him for 30 minutes or am I mixing up a different time? Maybe CW doesn’t want to talk to her about the plea or maybe he did talk to her but she just doesn’t like that she couldn’t make him do what she wanted. I will never have any respect for CW but I really hope he continues to do the right thing since pleading guilty. He should start that by asking his family not to bad mouth his victim.

• My understanding from the WS podcast was that they each had 30 minutes with CW (via remote link); and
• From the interview with CW's mother, that they were not allowed to discuss the plea during this 30 minutes.

I think they are totally in the dark, hence the interviews.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Legal Privilege would apply, so no, they would be recorded. My point is, CW's parents say that they have had no involvement in the discussions around the plea and I think this was a real shock to them.

It must be an incredible shock. However, the reason they are in the dark is solely because their son wants them to be. So while they paint SW as the abuser, it is their son and their son alone who has chosen to shut them out completely, just as he apparently tried to shut them out to a degree during his marriage. They blamed SW for this then and now the attorneys. At what point will they give their son credit as a man and stop him from playing them off against others to keep the heat off himself? All IMO.

 

[idfinch]

It’s clear that they see CW as a child who needs his parents to guide him through juvenile court for stealing a candy bar or something. No matter how many times we see it and how common it is, the fact that they can’t see him as an adult infuriates me.

He had 6 weeks alone. He could have gotten a lawyer and filed for divorce while eating those meals Shanann left for him. He could have had his mommy fill out the paperwork. He could have asked his AP to help him. If he told her over and over he wanted to separate because “he didn’t love her no more” and she was 2 time zones away where she couldn’t supposedly control him and keep him from his family, what’s the problem?

This is a man who had no troubles having at least one affair, murdering his wife and children, concealing the bodies and going straight to work, then was able to lie like an expensive rug to LE, both families and on national TV without a sign of grief or concern. I’m sure he could have figured out how to put a suitcase in his truck since he put 3 bodies in there.

They had no words of grief for their grandchildren, only words of spite and contempt for the pregnant daughter in law their son murdered. Only disgusting comments about their poor son not wanting to put the children he murdered with the wife he blamed. Not a single word about the horror of what little he even admitted to. Down to the fact that he even didn’t call 911. Poor Chris, poor parents, he ruined their lives and his. And it’s all Shanann’s fault, still. Even after he killed her.

They wanted a trial. They still do. They want her to be dragged through the mud to exonerate their poor verbally abused son who was forced to wear new shirts.

There are no excuses and no words to describe how disgusting and despicable this is and they are IMO.

I’d like to know legally exactly how much time & access he has had to talk with his family between August and the plea, because they’re making serious accusations against the defense. It needs to be clear if and when he had phone and visitation time, and that he willingly chose not to speak to them and clue them in beforehand.

 

[Nikynoo]

It must be an incredible shock. However, the reason they are in the dark is solely because their son wants them to be. So while they paint SW as the abuser, it is their son and their son alone who has chosen to shut them out completely, just as he apparently tried to shut them out to a degree during his marriage. They blamed SW for this then and now the attorneys. At what point will they give their son credit as a man and stop him from playing them off against others to keep the heat off himself? All IMO.

BBM
I'm sorry - but I have to ask - how do you know that? I'm genuinely interested to know.

 

[NuttMegg]

• My understanding from the WS podcast was that they each had 30 minutes with CW (via remote link); and
• From the interview with CW's mother, that they were not allowed to discuss the plea during this 30 minutes.

I think they are totally in the dark, hence the interviews.

I recall just that one comment from the mother that she was not allowed, she says, to address the plea, telling him he should not plead guilty if he didn't do it. Paraphrased.
Are there links to reports from the other family members as to what they were allowed to say in their own 30 minutes? Only the mother seems to be telling what, she says, happened to her.

 

[AbbyG]

I not sure what you mean? My response was to another poster.

Yes, and my response was to you. I can't directly say anything it seems according to rules here which I respect, but let's say there seems to be a connection between those who wanted to defend CW or stay on the fence against all evidence and those who now want to give CW's parents the benefit of the doubt. In both cases this requires a stunning lack of empathy for the actual victims and the immediate family of the true victims -- the family of those murdered. I just watched the Fox interview with Ma Watts and I am stunned. Very similar affect to her son. Very similar inability to deal with the reality of the vicious crimes he committed. Very similar inability to show empathy for anyone other.

 

[Best of What's Around]

I'm struggling to see what the leverage is in this case. It certainly wasn't the removal of the DP.

IMO, CW wanted it over and done with and was willing to take whatever the DA agreed to.

The reason you are not seeing the leverage is because the evidence, for the integrity of the case, is still not being released yet. There is no big conspiracy keeping CW from proclaiming his innocence and going to trial, IMO.

 

[Nikynoo]

Yes, and my response was to you. I can't directly say anything it seems according to rules here which I respect, but let's say there seems to be a connection between those who wanted to defend CW or stay on the fence against all evidence and those who now want to give CW's parents the benefit of the doubt. In both cases this requires a stunning lack of empathy for the actual victims and the immediate family of the true victims -- the family of those murdered. I just watched the Fox interview with Ma Watts and I am stunned. Very similar affect to her son. Very similar inability to deal with the reality of the vicious crimes he committed. Very similar inability to show empathy for anyone other.

I really dont follow you.

The post I responded to was this -
'There is no way they could control his mother, trust her to keep information in confidence.'

My response was to ask the poster how they knew this information - so I really can't see how your above post fits in with my response?

 

[Ultra Violet]

Thanks for posting. I’m not sure why they didn’t want to show their faces on camera when they already have in other tv interviews :-/

I am guessing they didn’t care as much for out-of-state interviews but wanted to be blurred out for local interviews so they would not be recognized on the street by strangers? JMO

 

[AbbyG]

The reason you are not seeing the leverage is because the evidence, for the integrity of the case, is still not being released yet. There is no big conspiracy keeping CW from proclaiming his innocence and going to trial, IMO.

Absolutely. No need for anyone to struggle to see the evidence once the autopsy and other evidence is released. It's quite obvious that the murderer pled because of the ugly evidence against him. The leverage is this. He had no chance. Zero. Zip. The autopsy, the AP and whatever else would completely incriminate him and will do so. It's not hard to see this, it's not hard to understand. It is hard to bend oneself into a pretzel in order to doubt the DA, the plea, the truth.

 

[Nikynoo]

The reason you are not seeing the leverage is because the evidence, for the integrity of the case, is still not being released yet. There is no big conspiracy keeping CW from proclaiming his innocence and going to trial, IMO.

No, I dont think you understand my point, but thats fine.

It has nothing to do with the DP or evidence IMO. CW's just 'done' with it. He's pleaded guilty, so that's that!

 

[AbbyG]

I really dont follow you.

The post I responded to was this -
'There is no way they could control his mother, trust her to keep information in confidence.'

My response was to ask the poster how they knew this information - so I really can't see how your above post fits in with my response?

I don't want to get into a back-and-forth with you so this will be my last post for the day. If you don't see how it fits, that's okay, others do. And you said to try seeing it from CW's parents' POV - have you yet tried to see things from Shannan and her parents' and brother's POV? Or for a moment from the murdered children's POV? How could CW's parents disparage Shan'ann like that? Disgusting, however much they love their murderous son.

 

[Nikynoo]

Absolutely. No need for anyone to struggle to see the evidence once the autopsy and other evidence is released. It's quite obvious that the murderer pled because of the ugly evidence against him. The leverage is this. He had no chance. Zero. Zip. The autopsy, the AP and whatever else would completely incriminate him and will do so. It's not hard to see this, it's not hard to understand. It is hard to bend oneself into a pretzel in order to doubt the DA, the plea, the truth.

I'm not disagreeing with you. Just to point out, the defence went to the DA (twice I believe).
The DA did not give any concessions really, the DA got exactly what he wanted.

 

[MCDRAW]

I get so angry at things like them totally refusing to ignore his attempt to get away with murder. So many LE agencies involved because he stood there and lied his off while preening for the cameras. Their whole "yeah but what triggered it?" was irritating too. I guess they are in denial about his proven affair too.

Their interview made me angry also. I have given it a lot of thought and in my opinion, it revealed way more than they ever wanted revealed. I hope and pray I am never in their shoes. I know that no matter what I would always love my child. I don't fault them for that. See I know you can love the person and hate the action. And I am sure I would want to deny the possibility of such a crime. In the beginning. There is so much evidence already that we have seen, I believe I would have watched everything, searched everything, to try and figure out what happened. I certainly can understand them wanting to know what triggered this. Who doesn't? What I can't understand is trying to trash the reputation of one of the victims, even if subtle. I have a grand baby and I honestly can't imagine not fighting for them. I have said from the beginning how odd I found it, that they hadn't released a statement on the loss of their DIL and grand children. Mainly because I felt like they could have released a statement and still supported their son. From that interview, I got the impression that they don't care. They only care because their son is being punished and it just happened so quickly. Unfortunately, I no longer see them as victims of Chris but I do see Chris as a victim of them. I know that he only pled guilty to help himself in some way, after seeing that interview, it's a miracle he ever admitted guilt. I hope when the rest of the evidence is released, it will shut them up. This is all JMO.

 

[Nikynoo]

I don't want to get into a back-and-forth with you so this will be my last post for the day. If you don't see how it fits, that's okay, others do. And you said to try seeing it from CW's parents' POV - have you yet tried to see things from Shannan and her parents' and brother's POV? Or for a moment from the murdered children's POV? How could CW's parents disparage Shan'ann like that? Disgusting, however much they love their murderous son.

That's fine. I do see it from all sides and have stated it in my other posts. I think you must have picked up part way through.