Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #48

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I recall just that one comment from the mother that she was not allowed, she says, to address the plea, telling him he should not plead guilty if he didn't do it. Paraphrased.
Are there links to reports from the other family members as to what they were allowed to say in their own 30 minutes? Only the mother seems to be telling what, she says, happened to her.

I understood her comment to be she was trying to talk to him in the courtroom? If so, I think that is related to the rules of the courtroom. I don’t think I’ve ever watched a defendant be allowed to have a personal conversation with a member of the audience prior to a hearing. If it was in a private meeting via the phone link, I would speculate that his attorneys were trying to keep CW from saying anything incriminating.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Yes, and my response was to you. I can't directly say anything it seems according to rules here which I respect, but let's say there seems to be a connection between those who wanted to defend CW or stay on the fence against all evidence and those who now want to give CW's parents the benefit of the doubt. In both cases this requires a stunning lack of empathy for the actual victims and the immediate family of the true victims -- the family of those murdered. I just watched the Fox interview with Ma Watts and I am stunned. Very similar affect to her son. Very similar inability to deal with the reality of the vicious crimes he committed. Very similar inability to show empathy for anyone other.

RBSBM
there seems to be a connection between those who wanted to defend CW or stay on the fence against all evidence and those who now want to give CW's parents the benefit of the doubt. In both cases this requires a stunning lack of empathy for the actual victims and the immediate family of the true victims -- the family of those murdered.

I was one of the posters who was on the fence. I just want to clarify that feeling empathy for CW’s parents is not in anyway a lack of empathy for SW, the girls or her family members. I don’t agree with the victim bashing comments CW’s parents have made or the lack of compassion they’ve shown. However, I have empathy for both sides.
jmo

 

[Zella]

Well, there goes my theory about his family and the plea deal. I am concerned in the next week or so they will try to work on him, if at all possible, to get him to retract his plea agreement.

Attorneys in the house: how would that work?

 

[Zella]

I now suspect that the desire to create a buffer zone between them and his parents was a big reason why Shanann moved to Colorado.

 

[Nikynoo]

I understood her comment to be she was trying to talk to him in the courtroom? If so, I think that is related to the rules of the courtroom. I don’t think I’ve ever watched a defendant be allowed to have a personal conversation with a member of the audience prior to a hearing. If it was in a private meeting via the phone link, I would speculate that his attorneys were trying to keep CW from saying anything incriminating.

No, it wasn't in the courtroom, it was during the 30 minute meeting she had with him. - the Denver 7 interview

 

[BabyButterfly]

I’m not at all surprised that CW’s parents felt SW isolated him from his family. I’ve suspected that was the big gripe percolating underneath all of this for a while.

I think there is a pattern of CW doing things his family doesn’t like - taking a plea deal, and perhaps moving across the country to Colorado with a wife they didn’t like, etc. Instead of explaining his big boy decisions to his parents, he leaves them to interpret why these things are happening. They naturally assume he’d never purposely choose to do something they disapprove of, so it’s the fault of the wife or the lawyers.

I think CW is happy to have them blame the lawyers for the deal just as he was happy to have them blame Shanann for his “isolation”. Just as he would have been happy for them believe SW absconded with his kids or killed them, if he could have made either of those stories work. It’s always been about what’s easiest for CW. I don’t see any reason he’d change now.

Jmo

Yes! Agree totally.

 

[Layla123]

This will be Chris Watt’s mother, after the evidence comes out. I hope.

 

[scandinavian girl]

I now suspect that the desire to create a buffer zone between them and his parents was a big reason why Shanann moved to Colorado.

That is what I thought too, the mysterious move suddenly makes sense

 

[Nikynoo]

I now suspect that the desire to create a buffer zone between them and his parents was a big reason why Shanann moved to Colorado.

This crossed my mind too (to escape the drama), but if his mother was that controlling, surely CW would have resisted the move? Plus, Shan'ann was close to her parents? I think there were more opportunities in Colorado and perhaps the lure of a better lifestyle was a major factor for their move.

IMO

 

[MCDRAW]

Yeah but I think they're saying that to excuse his odd behavior and failure to cry or show concern after the deaths. So he's not really a murderer. He just acts like a guilty person would because he's not sure what else to do.

Lol

I'm guessing they are overlooking the fact that he knew how to cover it all up. I believe he was too happy that they were all gone and couldn't fake it.

 

[NuttMegg]

No, it wasn't in the courtroom, it was during the 30 minute meeting she had with him. - the Denver 7 interview

But IIRC the only thing the mother reports, is that the PDs would not let her try to change CW's mind. So that would be about 1 minute, what happened in the other 29 minutes? You see I agree with the previous poster that the mother would not be trusted (IMO) by his attorneys to be an insider in any discussions, even if CW wanted her to be which apparently he doesn't. Because she is too emotional, not a criticism, just per what she seems to have already divulged. IMO.

 

[esayer]

We've spent a considerable amount of time here discussing why CW didn't just leave SW instead of killing her & his children. After actually hearing his mother's voice I finally came to somewhat of a conclusion in my mind. Mrs. W is a controlling, overbearing woman. I'm now wondering if Mrs. W had expressed to CW that she didn't want him to marry SW. Maybe she has been chirping in his ear every chance she's gotten over the years that he should leave SW. I'm thinking there is a certain part of CW that doesn't want this narcissistic shrew to be right, because on some level I think he resents her, but doesn't/hasn't ever had the guts to stand up to her. This would create quite a dilemma for a person like CW. Doesn't want mom to be "right", but has no idea how to get out of the situation. I think he was "torn" to some degree, as much as a selfish person could be, between letting his mother be right & doing something else. I imagine he may have thought even if he left SW, the way he did it would never suit his mother, plus it would leave him wide open for her to rule a whole new chapter of his life. So in some twisted sense I think it's possible it was easier for him to erase his sweet little family & let the chips fall where they may. JMO MOO

This is bordering on what CW fans say about SW, a little extreme IMO, and there is the saying that men marry their mothers. Perhaps both women had some of the same qualities and that is why Cindy didn't like SW or SW didn't like Cindy, a tale as old as time. Cindy doesn't seem that bad to me, just protecting her son as most parents would do. Obviously she said some ridiculous things about SW which is unfortunate but I don't feel chastising her is any better than people chastising SW.

 

[chaddylex]

Watching CW's mother in the interview reminded me of my ex MIL. When we split up - he was the victim..... poor Johnny... - when he remarried and I brought it to her attention that I didn't want my children around my ex and his wife on weekends because they were having swinging and drug parties at their house with my kids there- (my kids were 9 and 10 at the time) - she was in denial - even after she found out for herself on her own, she would try and push the kids on my Ex, they would "save" him - nothing was and is ever his fault. I can see the same reaction from her as CW had if he actually killed his wife and kids... I could write a book... Makes me sick. The dad to me I think knows deep down what his son did. He just wants to believe what his son told him.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

This is bordering on what CW fans say about SW, a little extreme IMO, and there is the saying that men marry their mothers. Perhaps both women had some of the same qualities and that is why Cindy didn't like SW or SW didn't like Cindy, a tale as old as time. Cindy doesn't seem that bad to me, just protecting her son as most parents would do. Obviously she said some ridiculous things about SW which is unfortunate but I don't feel chastising her is any better than people chastising SW.

I couldn’t agree more!

 

[MCDRAW]

I'm not worried either. And, I really don't think they're doing their son any favors. MOO

I honestly think they cant stand it, that he has shut them out. They want to blame Shan'ann for isolating him from them. Shan'ann's been gone since August and they still haven't figured out it was him trying to get a way from them. IMO

 

[Madison418]

It must be an incredible shock. However, the reason they are in the dark is solely because their son wants them to be. So while they paint SW as the abuser, it is their son and their son alone who has chosen to shut them out completely, just as he apparently tried to shut them out to a degree during his marriage. They blamed SW for this then and now the attorneys. At what point will they give their son credit as a man and stop him from playing them off against others to keep the heat off himself? All IMO.

The interview with the parents, IMO, backs up what is wrong with him in the 1st place. Placing blame everywhere but where it is. Not my son mentality. It's a shame.

 

[Nikynoo]

I'm sure they felt everything he did was justified on some level. Their whole attitude was just off, and it's easy to see where he would get the idea that's he entitled to what he wants and that everything bad is someone else's fault.

If they would actually read some information on FA's with an open mind they would realize that this freeze out from him is typical too. He's not going to take responsibility for his action to their faces, he is not even going to be concerned that they don't have the answers they need to in order to accept his guilt and find peace. He's just done dealing with them and it's great to have attorneys help to shut them out so he doesn't have to deal with the unpleasantries himself. He'll leave them spinning with unanswered questions for eternity because he just doesn't care about anything but himself. He knows them well enough to know that they'll believe his lies despite evidence to the contrary and he's not going to spare them.

Excellent post! I will be interested to see if this is his default position (not dealing with the consequences of his actions).

 

[Deleted member 182072]

I have so much sympathy for SW's parents and brother - my heart truly goes out to them. At the same time, my heart hurts for CW's parents and sister and I don’t feel like any of us are in a position to judge his parents or the support they are giving their son. They obviously don’t think he’s responsible, they have doubt or they’re in denial. I can’t imagine what it must be like to be either of their parents or siblings. There are no winners in this and nothing will take away their pain or turn back time. There's only so much people can take and it's almost unbearable to watch this unfold the way it is.
jmo

Agree even though I don't like what they are putting SW's family through. CW's parents have been left completely in the dark and have been blindsided by everything. They are hoping against hope that by defending their son, they can somehow help him before sentencing.

At least his dad said he just wants the truth and he will accept his son killed his grandchildren if that's what the evidence shows. And once the autopsies and other evidence is released, his whole family needs to understand that CW was solely to blame for all of it.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

The interview with the parents, IMO, backs up what is wrong with him in the 1st place. Placing blame everywhere but where it is. Not my son mentality. It's a shame.

It’s not my parenting style either, but CW is a grown *ss man - he did it, not his parents.
jmo

 

[Nikynoo]

I honestly think they cant stand it, that he has shut them out. They want to blame Shan'ann for isolating him from them. Shan'ann's been gone since August and they still haven't figured out it was him trying to get a way from them. IMO

BBM
Can you explain the bit bolded by me? How would killing Shan'ann help CW get away from his parents?