Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #49

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  • #461
rule 32:


Crim. P. 32(d).

One does not have an absolute right to withdraw a plea of guilty. People v. Riley, 187 Colo. 262, 265, 529 P.2d 1312, 1313 (1975); Maes v. People, 155 Colo. 570, 574, 396 P.2d 457, 459 (1964).


To warrant the withdrawal of a guilty plea, a defendant has the burden of establishing a “fair and just reason” for the withdrawal, People v. Chippewa, 751 P.2d 607, 609 (Colo.1988),

and there must be a showing that justice will be subverted by denying the motion, Maes, 155 Colo. at 575, 396 P.2d at 459.

Such a showing includes instances where a defendant was surprised or influenced into a plea of guilty to which the person had a defense; where a plea of guilty was entered by mistake or under a misconception of the nature of the charge; where such plea was entered through fear, fraud, or official misrepresentation; where it was made involuntarily; or where ineffective assistance of counsel occurred in the process. Chippewa, 751 P.2d at 609; People v. Pozo, 746 P.2d 523, 525–26 (Colo.1987); see also Padilla v. Kentucky, ––– U.S. ––––, 130 S.Ct. 1473, 1478 (2010).



¶ 15 The trial court has discretion to determine whether a defendant has established a fair and just reason for withdrawal, and we will not overturn denial of a motion to withdraw a guilty plea absent an abuse of that discretion. Crumb v. People, 230 P.3d 726, 730, 733 (Colo.2010) (finding that a court should consider a non-exclusive list of factors, including whether the prosecution would be prejudiced by the withdrawal of the guilty plea, whether the defendant promptly moved to withdraw the guilty plea, and whether the defendant has shown that justice will be subverted if the motion is denied); People v. Gutierrez, 622 P.2d 547, 559 (Colo.1981).
FindLaw's Supreme Court of Colorado case and opinions.
Its weird that his family never hired their own doctor to see if he was mentally unfit to handle these proceedings. But now want to say that others didn't do enough to deem him mentally incompetent. Smh.
 
  • #462
She will, but she'll blame others for his actions. Everyone else but CW. It usually happens when mothers are very close with the sons. I wonder what was the dynamics in CW's family and if there was a large age difference between him and his sister. Everyone is babying him.

It's more than just being "close with the sons." A pathology has to exist there as well.
 
  • #463
rule 32:


Crim. P. 32(d).

One does not have an absolute right to withdraw a plea of guilty. People v. Riley, 187 Colo. 262, 265, 529 P.2d 1312, 1313 (1975); Maes v. People, 155 Colo. 570, 574, 396 P.2d 457, 459 (1964).


To warrant the withdrawal of a guilty plea, a defendant has the burden of establishing a “fair and just reason” for the withdrawal, People v. Chippewa, 751 P.2d 607, 609 (Colo.1988),

and there must be a showing that justice will be subverted by denying the motion, Maes, 155 Colo. at 575, 396 P.2d at 459.

Such a showing includes instances where a defendant was surprised or influenced into a plea of guilty to which the person had a defense; where a plea of guilty was entered by mistake or under a misconception of the nature of the charge; where such plea was entered through fear, fraud, or official misrepresentation; where it was made involuntarily; or where ineffective assistance of counsel occurred in the process. Chippewa, 751 P.2d at 609; People v. Pozo, 746 P.2d 523, 525–26 (Colo.1987); see also Padilla v. Kentucky, ––– U.S. ––––, 130 S.Ct. 1473, 1478 (2010).



¶ 15 The trial court has discretion to determine whether a defendant has established a fair and just reason for withdrawal, and we will not overturn denial of a motion to withdraw a guilty plea absent an abuse of that discretion. Crumb v. People, 230 P.3d 726, 730, 733 (Colo.2010) (finding that a court should consider a non-exclusive list of factors, including whether the prosecution would be prejudiced by the withdrawal of the guilty plea, whether the defendant promptly moved to withdraw the guilty plea, and whether the defendant has shown that justice will be subverted if the motion is denied); People v. Gutierrez, 622 P.2d 547, 559 (Colo.1981).
FindLaw's Supreme Court of Colorado case and opinions.


This ^^^^ helps me understand Gitana's reassurances to us, that he couldn't just waltz in to court and say he changed his mind.

According to the above, the legal burden is on him to prove that he was a victim of fraud or undue pressure or the facts were misrepresented or he had ineffective counsel. And none of the above was true.
 
  • #464
Just thinking.. With all this talk about a letter.. I'm actually wondering how many people in their thirties still write letters.. Especially to their sister?

In a time of email, Facebook messenger, whatsapp etc who writes letters still?
 
  • #465
Wow - that video in the second interview. After the newscasters show the clip of CW parents, they talk more about the case and say there is a "letter" that CW wrote to his sister at some point and said, "If anything happens to me, look at my wife," and that the family says that proves Shanann was unstable. That is the first I have read/seen of this "letter." Have we discussed that at all here? (49 threads I may have missed!!)

ETA more detail: This is also the video where the reporter asks, "What happened to this kid from Pine Forest High School?" showing an innocent picture of CW. And his mother says, "What happened? He met Shanann."

The newscaster also says in the clip, that the Watts family felt that "Shanann was dangerous and that they didn't even go to the couple's wedding."
Excuse me...while I pick myself up off the floor. :eek:

I just knew there would be more that they held back from the first broadcasts yesterday. Or are these new interviews? Sorry if I'm behind with the latest developments, I'm on catch up with 20 more pages to read.
 
  • #466
Just thinking.. With all this talk about a letter.. I'm actually wondering how many people in their thirties still write letters.. Especially to their sister?

In a time of email, Facebook messenger, whatsapp etc who writes letters still?

And there was some talk that he 'wrote the letter' on his Mom's computer when he was visiting them in NC. What the heck? If he is there in Mom's house, why write a letter?

And how could the defense destroy it if it was typed on Moms computer? That makes no sense.
 
  • #467
And there was some talk that he 'wrote the letter' on his Mom's computer when he was visiting them in NC. What the heck? If he is there in Mom's house, why write a letter?

And how could the defense destroy it if it was typed on Moms computer? That makes no sense.

I smell a rat
 
  • #468
And there was some talk that he 'wrote the letter' on his Mom's computer when he was visiting them in NC. What the heck? If he is there in Mom's house, why write a letter?

And how could the defense destroy it if it was typed on Moms computer? That makes no sense.
The last 20 pages can wait. What? He typed a letter on ... they're having a laugh. No one can believe that. Can they???
 
  • #469
I have a lot of pages to get thru regarding the new videos. Yikes.

So we are supposed to believe Chris was so in fear of his life that his wife may kill him, that he gave his sister a letter for safe keeping.......

Yet he left his innocent tiny children with his scary wife everyday while he was out working. And having an active affair.
 
  • #470
The last 20 pages can wait. What? He typed a letter on ... they're having a laugh. No one can believe that. Can they???


Yes. Oh oh. I might have messed up posting that because it is late and I am tired and cant remember if that came from an article or that blog...I'll try and find it though....
 
  • #471
What's the betting they've wiped their history and hard drive.

Nope I'm not believing one word of this. That is devious.

MOO.
 
  • #472
I have a lot of pages to get thru regarding the new videos. Yikes.

So we are supposed to believe Chris was so in fear of his life that his wife may kill him, that he gave his sister a letter for safe keeping.......

Yet he left his innocent tiny children with his scary wife everyday while he was out working. And having an active affair.

Yes, he let his scary, dangerous wife take his children out of state for 5 weeks, but he was so scared of her.
 
  • #473

More from the Watts' original interview.

>"Do you worry about the backlash of a woman not here to defend herself?"

>"Shanann was...you'd have to get to know her to be around her, put it that way".

This comes from the dad, so he isn’t any better than the mom

The parents’ body language and positioning on the couch is telling. Could they sit any further away from each other? Usually grieving family members lean on each other literally for support.
 
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Could you sink much lower than bashing the pregnant woman(carrying his child and your grandson) your son murdered? The mother of your grandbabies? And lie about her?
NO, YOU COULD NOT.
 
  • #476
What's the betting they've wiped their history and hard drive.

Nope I'm not believing one word of this. That is devious.

MOO.
I think this, too. They'll blame everything disappearing on the defense team.
 
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Most parents don't mind when the kiddies leave the nest under grownup/adult conditions.

But it just seems like his mother wanted to breastfeed and coddle him until he was 60 years old.

So No wonder why dad attended his wedding. Lmao.
 
  • #479
I am old enough to know many people that that happened to. None of them became serial killers.
One of my best childhood friends found out that his eldest sister was his mother when he was in his early twenties. It did not change their relationship. They kept treating each other as siblings and he treated his grandmother as his mother.
I agree, its not an indicator but throw in the possible incest conception plus an alcoholic and abusive father/grandfather and i'll bet that activated a few tendencies in the nature/nurture collaboration.
By his own account, when he found out the truth it had a deep and profound affect on him, not a positive one. That plus the rejection of his first serious gf were the probable last straw triggers that caused him to act on his serial killer rage.
 
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  • #480
It does remind me of Meghan Markle's family. At first you think, oh they are just out of their element and don't quite know how to behave. It's too bad she doesn't talk to her family. Then they keep talking and talking and show the absurdity and then it's like and.....now I clearly see why she keeps these terrible people far away from her!

Clever comparison
 
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