Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #51

[SweetPeas56]

Because they bashed a murder victim.

Because their comments were vile.

Because they are behaving as if their son is a child, and can’t make his own decisions.

Because they have bashed the process, to include those who are defending him.

Because they refuse to accept the fact that their son is a monster, and they continue to make excuses for him.

What they did to the Rcuzek family is absolutely disgusting. These poor people have lost a daughter, a sister, and two precious children.

That’s not enough though. The Watts family continues to drag Shannan though the mud, victimizing her family yet again.

That’s why we are criticizing them.

I make no apologies for it.

agree 100% I had nothing but sympathy for them. UNTIL. They started bashing the victim. While barely mentioning the grandbabies. CW's mom has behaved disgracefully.

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[SaguaroSpirit]

agree 100% I had nothing but sympathy for them. UNTIL. They started bashing the victim. While barely mentioning the grandbabies. CW's mom has behaved disgracefully.

Edited because I hit enter before I meant to.

I was really really REALLY hoping the victim bashing was done because it turns my stomach and breaks my heart.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I’m reading that the photo of Nichol Kessinger that is being displayed with the article is a paid actress, not the real Nichol Kessinger. ?

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[dixiegirl1035]

New rule, don’t quote me till I edit my spelling errors please, lol. I never catch them before I hit post My proofreading is lacking.

Bwahahaha. Ditto

 

[MCDRAW]

Sure it's unreasonable for her to demand this of the judge, DA, or PDS. Her son has already confessed to the mass murders, and has made it clear, IMO, he doesn't want to talk to her. He could have called her any time he wanted to, he could have written her, and yet....he let her find out about his guilty plea to mass murder, of her DIL and grandchildren at the very last minute, so she could not speak with him beforehand.

I agree. Listening to her talk, I don't think this is a family that knows anything about the criminal justice system. What she is complaining about is what happens with all inmates and their families. I think she THINKS they are keeping him away like Shanann did, when in reality, Chris could have called her at any time.

 

[UKslueth2018]

agree 100% I had nothing but sympathy for them. UNTIL. They started bashing the victim. While barely mentioning the grandbabies. CW's mom has behaved disgracefully.

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That's what I am struggling with... I know it's her son but where is her love for the grandkids and unborn child... Get you don't always like who your son loves but the kids are part of him too.. Seems so disconnected from that fact...

 

[RosalindaA]

If I’ve learned anything in this case it’s to refrain from posting on a thread if you sat on the fence.

Tippy, I hope you continue to post and everyone else who may happen to hold varying viewpoints. Any discussion is poorer if this doesn't happen. Sadly some posters have disappeared from this thread. I may not agree with certain statements or ideas but I respect people's right to state them.

I agree with the observation that many parents of murderers show a level of denial and failure to grapple with the facts. I wonder if that is because they are often speaking fairly soon after the fact and perhaps over a longer period of time they may become more rational.

It has long been the fact that mothers have been blamed for the violence of their sons. Too strict, too permissive. Obviously there is evidence to show that childhood influences a person's character. But underneath it also is a strain of misogyny, blaming mothers for their sons murdering their wives negates putting responsibility where it lies, in this case solely with Christopher Watts.

 

[Not a Belle]

I am ready for Monday's hearing to be over, and for sentencing to be complete--this is taking up so much space in my brain I'm even dreaming about it. Last night I had a dream that I was supposed to help CW get his prison uniforms. He got an orange one for everyday wear, and a white one "for special occasions." I could never get an answer from the guards about what kinds of special occasions he'd be attending spending the rest of his life in prison.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I agree. (Snip)I think she THINKS they are keeping him away like Shanann did, when in reality, Chris could have called her at any time.

*Sends the mom the book " He's Just Not That Into You"*

 

[SouthernSleuther]

Oh really?!! I didn't follow the case closely but gee whiz, it can happen then!!

Oh yes, there was much discussion of it on the Cooper Harris threads including lots of shock and awe like we are seeing here. I don’t want to derail this thread with discussion of it, but I am including a link to a CNN article about it in case you want to check it out. The article also has a link to the actual form she completed.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2014/08/08/us/leanna-harris-victim-statement/index.html

 

[Mitch11]

And if he truly loved his kids, he would never have killed their momma!

Very well said!

 

[molly1255]

Holy heck. There's too much here to comment on all of it, but: "he's got one speeding ticket and he didn't even know about that..." Did I hear her correctly? Mommy took care of the ticket. I bet she's been doing this his whole life, he had zero culpability. Thanks for the link!

I'd love to know the history, long before Shanann ever got suckered into their collective lives.

 

[MCDRAW]

Please provide a link because CW's mother has told the news media (links up thread) the PD office didn't allow letter writing or phone calls. JMO

I think they asked them not to, because they read letters and tape phone calls. I think they asked them, to do that to protect Chris. They obviously, agreed because they didn't write. He has to call them, they can't call him. That's true of every inmate not just Chris.

 

[gitana1]

My guess is the Judge doesn't consider them to be in the "in-law" category. His order called them "paternal grandparents" and they do have a biological connection to the girls. I think the Judge wants to hear what they have to say directly rather than through their attorney. JMO

I agree. And they don't have a right to have an attorney speak for them and no attorney is able to do so.

I think perhaps the judge is simply considering them victims due to their status as grandparents regardless as to whether they are within the definition per the Act. I can't fault the judge for that. I just hope they don't use the opportunity to derail the proceedings or further bash the victim.

 

[Layla123]

@gitana1 Do you know what “Entry of Appearance” means? Reading the witness statement document it says that the court “does not authorize acceptance of the entry of appearance.” Does this mean someone speaking on behalf of Cindy and Ronnie?
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...TIM RIGHTS FOR PATERNAL GRANDPARENTS C-26.pdf

 

[liltexans]

Respectfully, they are the paternal grandparent's of Bella and Cece which I believe would be considered immediate family, no?

Yes, grandparents are typically considered immediate family.

 

[BeanieBod]

Re; the podcast people and Mrs. Watts, I think Shakespeare said it best (in MacBeth);

"Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."

BBM MOO

Love this comparison. Hit the mark.

 

[margarita25]

If I’ve learned anything in this case it’s to refrain from posting on a thread if you sat on the fence.

If you say so, Tippy. I think people must come to their own conclusions through their own evaluations and in their own time.

One does not have to agree with everyone all the time. I’m in the minority in a couple other threads as to my feelings at this time re: the cases and that’s okay. As long as one is not victim bashing I’m all about hearing different viewpoints. It all ultimately leads to further discussion, thought and examination and that’s what this place is for. Everything is a learning experience anyway. If you’re on the fence, you’re on the fence.

Ps: Don’t feel bad, I thought OJ was innocent for a long time ( :embarrassed: )

 

[gitana1]

I think you can premeditate a murder and still carry it out with extreme rage.

Yes! But his apologists will try to come up with anything they can.

 

[k-mac]

Their attorney has no standing as they are not a party to the case. They apparently have a right to make a statement as a victim at the hands of CW.

wow the irony here isn't lost on me.

how can they present as such if they are in public denial of his guilt?

and as grandparents who haven't acknowledged a grandson that well..Christopher didn't want anyway so.....

any excuse to have air time.
despicable imo