Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #52

[liltexans]

It is very immature behaviour and to do it publicly is more immature and selfish.
Me, me, me.

Yes. I've been on the receiving end of a family member's complicated grief. I took a ton of verbal abuse from the person because she was lashing out and I was an easy target at the time. It wasn't right. It was wrong. It was immature, uncalled for, and personally offensive to me. I did not lash out in retaliation, though. Part of me knew she was misplacing her emotions. I also think she has a borderline personality disorder as well, but she'll never see a doctor. Never. There's nothing wrong with her in her own mind.

So, no, I do not buy into the theory that lashing out at an innocent person or at a victim is okay. It's mean and hurtful and an adult should be able to exercise some self-control and most of all, empathy.

 

[burghl3zz]

I am very familiar with these types of cases as well but in a more personal sense and we can agree to disagree.

you're personally familiar with multiple family annihilations?

 

[askedandanswered]

Would you still believe your daughter if the circumstances were the same as in this case?
If she hid the bodies of her children and then lied about where they were all the while knowing that they were dead?

That’s what gets me. Even if they believe his story, how can they explain away the way he acted in those front porch interviews? And how he lied to everyone around him seemingly so easily after disposing of them hours earlier? I feel like that’d be enough to have me seriously questioning even the person I love/trusted the most.

 

[ZsaZsa]

The same way he was able to stand on his porch in a T-shirt purchased by the wife he murdered and plead for his families return - all the while knowing what he had done. It’s mind boggling! IMO

With no wedding ring on...

 

[katydid23]

I'm just going by what his mother said in the interviews. She said the attorneys didn't want letters or calls because they didn't want the DA to have access to them. JMO

His attorneys are trying to protect him from himself and his mother's emotional requests. She says very clearly that she wants her son to tell her exactly what happened that night.

Do you think that is a good idea, in terms of his upcoming hearings and possible trial? Everything he says will be in transcript form and compared to prior statements he has made.

She is being selfish, in my opinion, by putting her own needs and wants above her son's future legal dangers.

 

[gitana1]

We don’t know the terms they come to personally only what is publicized. And I’m sure there are some out there that will never come to terms with the tragedy of a situation. But that is on them and not for me to speculate.

Sometimes we DO know because they do things like continually give interviews and man things like "My Golden Child is Innocent" sites.

I do think for MANY people it can be very hard if not impossible to believe our child could do something horrific.

I get denial.

I don't get nastiness. There are plenty of us who have been through tragedy or witnessed others go through it and there's a difference between denial and nastiness. IMO.

For me it comes down to character.

 

[Jennifer17]

His attorneys are trying to protect him from himself and his mother's emotional requests. She says very clearly that she wants her son to tell her exactly what happened that night.

Do you think that is a good idea, in terms of his upcoming hearings and possible trial? Everything he says will be in transcript form and compared to prior statements he has made.

She is being selfish, in my opinion, by putting her own needs and wants above her son's future legal dangers.

She wants her son to lie and tell her something that she can live with and all that is, is Shanann did it.

 

[Elizabeth Lavenza]

This isn’t your normal case, in that it involves a “family annihilator.”

Many of us who are familiar with such cases, already knew what to expect from this family.

We knew what they would be like before we ever saw them, before they ever opened their mouths.

It wasn’t a wild guess. It was based on all the cases we’ve seen before.

As rare as these events are on the whole, similar dynamics are invariably in play.

The family here is almost prototypical, and their denial and vitriol is nothing new.

Cindy Watts may come to her senses in regards to her son’s guilt, but she will never hold him accountable for his actions.

Shanann will always be the cause, and her son a victim of her actions.

There will never be a retraction, nor anything amounting to a true apology.

Chris Watts inflicted the damage.

The Watts family will continue to exacerbate it.

Well stated, @MassGuy . Thank you.

 

[Jeng1810]

Lashing out in general shows an extreme lack of emotional intelligence (EQ), whether the person is experiencing grief or not. Lashing out may indicate the presence of a mental illness, such as bipolar disorder, but it also may indicate that the person lashing out has a very low EQ. EQ and IQ are two very different things. One can have a very high IQ and a very low EQ.

It sure does. Unfortunately we were not truly all created equal.

 

[Jeng1810]

Sometimes we DO know because they do things like continually give interviews and man things like "My Golden Child is Innocent" sites.

I do think for MANY people it can be very hard if not impossible to believe our child could do something horrific.

I get denial.

I don't get nastiness. There are plenty of us who have been through tragedy or witnessed others go through it and there's a difference between denial and nastiness. IMO.

For me it comes down to character.

Maybe so as we are not all created equal. I choose not to be negative and assume she will come to terms MOO

 

[Whiteorchids]

I think he had some of it planned out but he also is si selfish and went out on Saturday night probably with his girlfriend had a fun time, pretending to be poor single dad, and now Shanann was coming home for good and he's just so selfish could not deal with it and instead of thinking rationally like a normal human being he thought like an animal who just wanted what he wanted in the time being and couldn't cover up his lies anymore

I think he definitely premeditated killing SW but not necessarily the girls. That could have been a last minute decision perhaps something set him off because he wanted NK to go apt shopping for a place for him and the girls like he was already planning on getting rid of SW so the girls would be living with him perhaps under the notion SW left ran off with a lover. Perhaps in his sick mind he wanted a new life with NK and the girls. Usually the Mom is awarded full physical custody with both parents joint custody in decision making. Meaning if they divorced unless SW was proved unfit mother, deceased or ran off he would have full physical custody but yet he wanted to go apt shopping for a new place for him and the girls. Hmmm interesting.

 

[gitana1]

Makes total sense! We all process things differently!!! Just like I watch people in traffic daily on my commute to and from work. Some cope well; some not so well; some get crazy. It’s not right or wrong just different! I appreciate your support understanding her reality!

Ok. So I'm going to react by shooting the DA when they charge my kid with murdering his spouse and/or my grandkids.

So that would not be wrong, just a "different" way to grieve?

These folks are doing something horrible by bashing a murder victim, publicly, causing untold additional suffering to her loved ones.

Perhaps grief can explain why someone behaves badly but it doesn't magically make their bad behavior simply "different" rather than wrong.

 

[Jeng1810]

you're personally familiar with multiple family annihilations?

If you are asking if I have known more than one situation like this in my personal life then yes I have. And have I studied these cases as well as a result.

 

[MassGuy]

Maybe so as we are not all created equal. I choose not to be negative and assume she will come to terms MOO

This has nothing to do with subjective opinions and “negativity.”

Any analysis of past cases like this, will show that the odds are strongly against her “coming to terms with this.”

This isn’t new behavior. It’s all been done before.

 

[Jeng1810]

Ok. So I'm going to react by shooting the DA when they charge my kid with murdering his spouse and/or my grandkids.

So that would not be wrong, just a "different" way to grieve?

These folks are doing something horrible by bashing a murder victim, publicly, causing untold additional suffering to her loved ones.

Perhaps grief can explain why someone behaves badly but it doesn't magically make their bad behavior simply "different" rather than wrong.

I’m pretty sure she didn’t kill anyone based on the articles I have read.

 

[Jennifer17]

I think he definitely premeditated killing SW but not necessarily the girls. That could have been a last minute decision perhaps something set him off because he wanted NK to go apt shopping for a place for him and the girls like he was already planning on getting rid of SW so the girls would be living with him perhaps under the notion SW left ran off with a lover. Perhaps in his sick mind he wanted a new life with NK and the girls. Usually the Mom is awarded full physical custody with both parents joint custody in decision making. Meaning if they divorced unless SW was proved unfit mother, deceased or ran off he would have full physical custody but yet he wanted to go apt shopping for a new place for him and the girls. Hmmm interesting.

BBM. That does not apply anymore. If the father wants joint custody they very usually get it.
He seems to be leaving his unborn son out of that equation, but I hardly think that he would have mentioned him to the AP.

 

[k-mac]

I’ve been trying to catch up with all the recent news but I have noticed a lot of negativity regarding his mother. She too is grieving. I unfortunately work in an industry where I see grieving daily. Some do it gracefully and others lash out. Even with all of my experiences I am the latter. No way is right or wrong it is just different. The facts are the facts and she will have to come to terms with them when she knows all of them so I don’t get angry hearing what she is saying now. Let this woman grieve in her own way and come to terms that her son is a murderer. MOO

bbm
well it would be nice if SHE would let shananns family grieve in peace without her vulgar vitriol spewing out around the world trying to smear their murdered daughters name.


no she doesn't deserve anybodys grace.....her behaviour is disgraceful.

here comes the familar terms we have become so familiar...
"when she knows them all"

**newsflash***
she knows them all.

 

[tmar]

I think he definitely premeditated killing SW but not necessarily the girls. That could have been a last minute decision perhaps something set him off because he wanted NK to go apt shopping for a place for him and the girls like he was already planning on getting rid of SW so the girls would be living with him perhaps under the notion SW left ran off with a lover. Perhaps in his sick mind he wanted a new life with NK and the girls. Usually the Mom is awarded full physical custody with both parents joint custody in decision making. Meaning if they divorced unless SW was proved unfit mother, deceased or ran off he would have full physical custody but yet he wanted to go apt shopping for a new place for him and the girls. Hmmm interesting.

With all CW's lies and manipulation, this idea to find a flat for himself and the girls, was possibly used, so when the girls, are also missing, the AP wouldn't suspect him being involved.

 

[Jennifer17]

I’m pretty sure she didn’t kill anyone based on the articles I have read.

No, but her son did. And she could have even mentioned her grandchildren if she were grieving so badly.
She hardly mentioned them, it was all about how her son was being badly treated by everyone and how awful his murdered wife was.
That is not grieving in my understanding of the condition.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Maybe so as we are not all created equal. I choose not to be negative and assume she will come to terms MOO

It appears CW, his mom and Dad all hated and blamed SW. So sad I bet she didn’t know that. She probably thought CW loved her. What a waste she made such a nice home for her family trying to be the perfect Wife and Mom and this is hows she repaid. I hope he rots but he won’t he will probably take on a new wife with a prison wedding. Some women already want to visit him. Pathetic.