Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #52

[ZsaZsa]

Many threads back, Gitana1 posted an article about MPHS (Male Pre-partum Homicidal Syndrome). I'm not sure this is the same article, but it gives a brief description.

Forensic Psychiatrist Keith Ablow, MD Identifies New Syndrome in Killers: Male Pre-Partum Homicidal Syndrome (MPHS)
"Ablow theorizes that Male Pre-partum Homicidal Syndrome occurs in men who come to believe—consciously or unconsciously—that their own life stories cannot continue in any acceptable way, if a child (or another child) is born to them. "Such a man [displaying MPHS] comes to equate the impending birth of a son or daughter with his own impending psychological death. The pathological arithmetic comes down to, 'It's that child or it's me. One of us has to go.'"

Very often, Ablow believes, men displaying MPHS have experienced feelings of loss or trauma in the setting of growing families before—in their families of origin. "These men may have felt pushed aside by a new child in the family or unloved by their own mothers. The idea of living in another growing family is untenable to them, at a deep, emotional, usually unconscious level."

Like sibling rivalry, only for ' grown-ups'.

 

[Jennifer17]

Yes, whatever the reason, something was more important to them than at least one of them staying in Colorado a few more days to support their son or till there were some answers as to where Shanann and the girls were. Too inconvenient, too much effort, I don’t know, but it points to another example of they seem make decisions and view things based on how it effects them.

Yes, why would he be headed home if his DIL and grandchildren were still missing?
If, indeed, that is why he was there.

 

[tmar]

My sister is pathological. Everything she says is an elaborate concoction of lies peppered with some truth here and there. I call it her “tapestry of bs”. I dated a liar also. You have to sleuth the truth, even little benign things. But they seem to drop the truth into their vat of lies for you to pick apart and find. Looks like this guy lied about everything also like the AP said. I’ve always wondered if my sister believes her own lies because calling her on them does absolutely nothing even though they are usually absurd.

Welcome felix.
Experiencing a liar continually, even when you unravel the truth through these lies, their stories continue.
There doesn't seem shame, on their part, that you point out the lies, these folk continue as if, all is just as they state.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

How do we know that there are no other grandchildren. I thought that there was by some of the early threads.

Maybe they forgot about them.

 

[BabyButterfly]

CW thought he was going to get away with it. All their friends and family believed his story, and he thought he was in the clear. Clearly, he underestimated the intelligence, training, and investigative experience of LE.

Just to add, many of Shananns friends never, ever believed his story. Some of us thought that she had a "get away" plan. As in, she had planned this and had gotten duplicate meds, burner phone, etc, and just left with the girls. But, most of said after his first interview, oh my God, what did he do???

 

[Thepoet]

NUA knew something was wrong. NK knew something was wrong. The Thayers knew something was wrong. All immediately contacted LE. LE seemed to know something was wrong from the get-go. Immediately after the first interview, and after ALL interviews, there was doubt in CW's story and a lot of speculation about the truth. So, who did CW think he was fooling?

 

[Seattle1]

I think it is so weird, well everything with his family is weird, is that his dad was flying back home before they knew what had happened. If I understood her correctly, she said Ronnie was on the way back to the airport when the police called and said that Chris wanted to talk to him . Who leaves when your DIL and grandchildren are still missing and the police are interrogating your son? Surely his employer would have understood. Regardless of their dislike for Shanann, you think they would be there for their son. Edited to add, I would not be asking if you needed us to come down, I would have already been at the airport.

Reportedly, CW collected his Dad at the airport on Wednesday, and after interrogation, with Dad waiting at the police station, CW was arrested just before midnight. Dad was waiting in airport when CW asked permission to speak to him, promising to tell the truth, if permission granted. Nonetheless, I find it very telling that Dad didn't go out seeking an Attorney for his son-- believed not guilty of murdering his children, but instead went directly home! IMO, if he had no doubt that CW was telling the truth, I think he would have helped him locate a defender. MOO

 

[RachB65]

I agree. I read the whole thing. Nothing new. They used a headline that implies they had something new.

And really it's redundant too. He admitted he did it. So of course he's capable of murdering her. For her to say anything different would look ignorant.
MOO

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

Reportedly, CW collected his Dad at the airport on Wednesday, and after interrogation, with Dad waiting at the police station, CW was arrested just before midnight. Dad was waiting in airport when CW asked permission to speak to him, promising to tell the truth, if permission granted. Nonetheless, I find it very telling that Dad didn't go out seeking an Attorney for his son-- believed not guilty of murdering his children, but instead went directly home! IMO, if he had no doubt that CW was telling the truth, I think he would have helped him locate a defender. MOO

Ok, so his dad was just arriving when he got the call Chris wanted to talk to him ? I am confused, I assumed he had arrived earlier because in the car ride from the airport he said Chris did not say anything, I didn’t think at the point of Chris saying he would confess LE would let him go to the airport to get his dad.
Great point about not hiring an attorney.

 

[Seattle1]

Of course Chris and his dad talked in the car from the airport. Who wouldn’t. Mrs. Watts just doesn’t know what was said, because Mr. Watts and Chris aren’t going to tell her. Mrs. Watts only has to go by what Mr. Watts tells her.

Yup. I'm certain CW and Dad shared many secrets, confiding in each other for decades about Cindy. Also believe Dad completely sympathized with CW-- believing that CW followed in his footsteps by marrying a dominate woman. Substantial difference here -- SW did not have a cruel bone in her body.

 

[Jennifer17]

Exactly, I still think it is odd he was at the airport ready to go home before there were any answers, who does that? Not jumping into action and hiring an attorney is a great point.

I really think that what he told dad in the car differs substantially than the conversation at the police station when dad was called back.
I don't believe that his dad would fly home if he thought SW and the kids were just 'missing'.

 

[Seattle1]

That is a point that I totally missed, thanks. I had always assumed that when he said he wanted to talk to his father, that his father was still waiting for him in the police station. Why would a father would leave their son in the police station and head back to the airport when the family was missing? I agree.

He did not leave. The arrest warrant makes that pretty clear.

 

[liltexans]

Maybe they forgot about them.

I think people are talking about both sets of grandparents and not realizing it. I didn't see the OP so I don't know which set was originally being talked about.

SW's parents have no other grandchildren as far as I know.

I have no idea if CW's parents have other grandchildren.

 

[Jennifer17]

He did not leave. The arrest warrant makes that pretty clear.

So, he wasn't on his way or in the airport?

 

[tmar]

I think she'll run her mouth and earn herself a contempt of court charge.

That would be great.
I wish that these public interviews that she has given, will also cause her problems, down the line.
I hope, more will be done about these.
She has been despicable, and doesn't seem to care.
MOO.

 

[Seattle1]

I must have missed the part about the question about what she would say to Shanann's parents. Do you remember what her answer was?

She didn't complete her "I sorry" sentence turning the focus back to herself-- reminding the reporter that she was the victim, and how much she lost!

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

So, he wasn't on his way or in the airport?

My question too, Cindy said he was at the airport when the police called him to talk to Chris, I guess she was confused.

 

[sun16]

I think people are talking about both sets of grandparents and not realizing it. I didn't see the OP so I don't know which set was originally being talked about.

SW's parents have no other grandchildren as far as I know.

I have no idea if CW's parents have other grandchildren.

SW’s do not. CW’s do I believe (via Chris’s sister)

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I know Ronnie and Cindy Watts have been approved to read victim impact statements which strikes me as wrong. I don’t like the interviews they have given in the past week and don’t think they comprehend that Shannan’s family is far more “impacted” than they have been. They still have a son and they have added insult to injury by disparaging her with prejudiced and biased projections. It seems to me that they feel that SW is the only reason this happened! And yet it is their son who actually carried out what Cindy claims will “kill her” to accept.

I don’t think they deserve to behave as if this loss has been either equal or as devastating to them as it has been to the Rzuceks.

Shan’ann’s Family has Dieter the dog left to remember their daughter and grandchildren today. Ronnie and Cindy Watts still have a son directly responsible for their demise and Chris Watts will likely outlive them. If he won’t call or write to them, that’s on him.

“Richard Allen Davis”...after what he said in court to Polly’s father, I don’t believe any defendant should have an opportunity to speak in court, ever.

And although I know Mother Watts believes that she lost as much as Shanann’s family has, the reality is that her son is still very much alive! Shanann and the girls didn’t kill themselves, he did! And I only hope, that for the sake of Shanann’s family and for her own sanity, she acknowledges her son’s guilt in this heinous crime.

 

[kay74]

My take on this is, Shanann came home tired, up half the night, and pregnant but still wanted to tell Chris about her Arizona trip. He came right out and said he wanted a separation, she flew into a rage and said he will never see his daughters and this started his rage and thus the killings. It didn't help that his mother influenced him against her, I mean to not even attend their wedding, Wow. The one thing I do not understand is why did Shanann stay away for 6 WEEKS?! Not many men would want this. My husband would go a week or two but not this long.