Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #56

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  • #101
It is his imaginary world in action. He kills them, everyone believes they disappeared, he marries NK and has replacement kids with her. I bet the current and the future were very clear in his head, but the connecting part (explaining the disappearance to the police, to SW's family and friends) were blurry.

Throw out unnecessary family, get a new one. Upgrading, you know.

Unbelievable isn't it?? How does that logic work? This man was/is delusional. And has incredibly low intelligence. I will never understand how he justified this in his mind.
 
  • #102
@PommyMommy,
I would also ask what CW described in his confession where it was summarized as “ultimately” strangling SW in the affidavit ...as I am curious if he described a big fight which would be another inconsistency with the autopsy results.
To me that's not a mystery. He didn't strangle her immediately. He waited for the perfect opportunity, when he was ready. We already know he didn't go into a rage after an argument. That is clear, without a doubt. Imo
 
  • #103
I thought the “switching schools” was something we heard from a CW supporter. Just another twisted fact from them. They probably heard inside info about the kids being unenrolled from school and used that as SW switching schools for some nefarious reason against SW when the truth was CW had unenrolled them after killing them. That group did this a lot. They seemed to hear a bit of something and twist it into something against SW. JMO.
 
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  • #104
It didn’t look voluntary to me. He looked scared to death.

Twice in my life I have been like that. Once driving thru a canyon fire. Flames on both side of road. Thought I was going to die. Other was first time having a baby. When reality set in at hospital that this was gonna hurt like hell and that breathing crap was nonsense. :p

The shaking took over my body. That’s how it looked with CW as well. Like oh f***.

It looked involuntary to me as well. He looked like he wanted to crawl into a hole.
 
  • #105
I agree but I have to wonder...why would he think that was the best way to kill them? I mean he's obviously a coward so it would make sense that he would have covered their faces with a pillow that way he wouldn't have to look them in the eyes. Anyone have ideas why he would choose to use his hands instead?
I don't think the DA indicated that he used his hands. Just that they were smothered and Bella fought back. That's the reason he gave for her injuries. She likely tried to open her mouth to breathe or scream, imo. If he used his hands he could have been bitten. I suspect he used something, like the pillow. Maybe that's why he threw out the pillow cases. Imo
 
  • #106
I have a question about the school. Many threads ago there was a big debate about Shanann switching the girls from the old school to a new one. Some suggested it was because the mistress had kids there, or hinted that it was somehow evidence against Shanann. When the VI (friend of Shananns) was asked why she implied that we don't want to know. Her answer was quoted over and over again as if it was some kind of cryptic message. Did we ever find out why the girls changed schools?

Colorado303 answered this here:
CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW GUILTY* #54
 
  • #107
A couple things that I’ve been mulling over...
1- Did the Watts have a home phone? I still think he attacked SW when she was in bed and would think she would sleep with her phone nearby. My thought is he waited til she was asleep, grabbed her phone and hid it in the couch before he went forward with his plan. Just in case anything went awry, there would be no way she or the girls could easily call 911.
2- Regarding NK deleting their phone history, I wonder if she didn’t want children and maybe said something like that to CW? I’m aware of other cases where parents have killed their kids because their new partner didn’t want children. She’s single, career-minded, in her 30s...maybe he fell head over heels for her but she wasn’t serious about him because he had children and he aimed to change that. Just speculation.
Idk about a land line but they had a security system with panic buttons, just push it and 911 is called/activated.
 
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It looked involuntary to me as well. He looked like he wanted to crawl into a hole.
Yes, probably the most uncomfortable moment of his life. He never struck me as a strong, brave, or confident man. He was a coward and he was shaking in his britches. Like a baby. He knows full well what will happen to him in prison. There is no way he was just putting on on a show for sympathy. He doesn't want sympathy, he wants his life back. Or rather his new life that he was so excited about. If he was so bad at acting worried or being concerned during his interview then why would he do so much better in court? His trembling with fear was real, and it's a good thing. If he had been arrogant and emotionless in court than we would have to assume he wasn't bothered by what is going to happen to him. At least we can be assured that he is suffering for his actions. That alone gives some satisfaction. Jmo
 
  • #110
I like your list. 9 & 10 were asked & answered at the press conference. Basically “no” to whether there was any evidence of other extra-marital relationships.
A question that can be added to your list is: "Why didn't SW, Bella, and CeCe have on pants?" The autopsy results indicate that all three had on just tops and underwear---not nightgowns---just tops: a butterfly top on Bella, a T-shirt for CeCe, and a T-shirt and bra for SW. No pants means all three were not wearing shorts or pants to bed, or each had them removed post-mortem. Just think this is a bit odd for all three. Was it to enable getting them down the oil-tank hatch more easily? If so, why then would SW not have on pants?
 
  • #111
So Shanann never switched the girls schools, that rumor started because of Chris’s phone call?
That's what I suspected. I was confused because there were pages of debates about why she wanted her girls in another school. A poster who is no longer here really tried to push that rumor by quoting the VI's answer over and over again. Imo
 
  • #112
I feel another “book” review brewing. I can already tell that I’m going to be less kind than I was for the previous two.

I had to look and he is back at it on his blog

Seriously shameless
 
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After rewatching the sentencing, the statements from the Watts advocate and Cindy and Ronnie Watts really bother me. Not once did either statement imply that Chris murdered the family. Even Chris’s statement didn’t imply that he caused this, just that he is sorry it happened. I wouldn’t be surprised if they still believe Shanann had a hand in this or that something she did is what caused it.

The forgiveness part was also totally out of line to me. They could have said that privately but saying that right in front of her family on day of sentencing seemed so wrong.
 
  • #115
I thought the “switching schools” was something we heard from a CW supporter. Just another twisted fact from them. They probably heard inside info about the kids being unenrolled from school and used that as SW switching schools for some nefarious reason against SW when the truth was CW had unenrolled them after killing them. That group did this a lot. They seemed to hear a bit of something and twist it into something against SW. JMO.
Exactly. It started as a fact and then "Flourished" into some kind of evidence against Shanann.
 
  • #116
Yes, probably the most uncomfortable moment of his life. He never struck me as a strong, brave, or confident man. He was a coward and he was shaking in his britches. Like a baby. He knows full well what will happen to him in prison. There is no way he was just putting on on a show for sympathy. He doesn't want sympathy, he wants his life back. Or rather his new life that he was so excited about. If he was so bad at acting worried or being concerned during his interview then why would he do so much better in court? His trembling with fear was real, and it's a good thing. If he had been arrogant and emotionless in court than we would have to assume he wasn't bothered by what is going to happen to him. At least we can be assured that he is suffering for his actions. That alone gives some satisfaction. Jmo

Makes sense. At times he looks pissed to me as well. Like when Frankie Jr goes up to the podium, he looks up and just looks so angry. Still feeling sorry for himself and blaming everyone else I would imagine...
 
  • #117
Ya know what bothered me about the sentencing was when the Watts' said Shanann was their daughter. I don't think they had the right to say that. They didn't really even acknowledge her as such in life so...IMO
 
  • #118
Rourke mentioned “financial concern here and there that most of us have,” in this interview and at the press conference as part of the motive. I’d love to hear what CW told them. We’ve got to get our hands on those interview transcripts.
I think we were all right about the motive. Some thought it was financial reasons, some that he just wanted to be rid of them, some said it was because of the mistress. I think it was a combination. All of these things, in his mind, led him to the murder of his family. Jmo
 
  • #119
To me it meant the VI knew that CW had called the school to unroll Bella but no one knew that yet and she didn’t want to hurt the investigation.
But why wouldn’t we want to know? That is one of the most damning pieces of evidence to prove his guilt.
 
  • #120
The Rzuceks really handled themselves with such grace. I can tell you if this was me and my children, my family would be in jail because they would've attacked him. It took a lot of restraint on their part, especially Frankie Jr. These poor people
 
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