GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #57

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  • #261
I’m torn. After reading the document, unless I am missing something, it appears that the issue of Bolte’s veracity was never settled.

There were things in there that seemed credible, but there were no communications discovered between the two.

There was apparently nothing revealed in his search history, that indicates that CW is in fact gay, or even bisexual.

It’s still a big maybe for me.

If it is a big fat lie, this Bolte guy must be crazy. Who would make up a totally false story, that is verifiable or not, and lie to the FBI about a murder investigation, for no reason? Very odd...
 
  • #262
My opinion. NK is a calculating, money-conscious person anyhow. She probably was in love with CW, but now another side of hers shows.

I still feel that NK somehow suited CW more and that his marriage with SW was going downhill before NK. He was not interested in Thrive or sales. Ironically, the kids were probably the thing keeping this marriage together, so he decided to have one more , at the time, when emotionally, he was on a divergent course from SW.

BBM, They are suited for each other, they are both liars! I can't say what I'm really thinking or I'll get a timeout.
 
  • #263
Discovery Page 1278: Trent Bolte.
I initially dismissed it as hogwash, but after reading TB's statement to the FBI I can't help feeling a ring of truth in his description of CW and his sick behavior.
What do y'all think?

moo
All I see on page 1278 is a map. ? :oops: MOO

ETA: I found it! It is page 1161, Discovery page 1278. Forgot about that little detail, lol. :p
 
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  • #264
I don't know what went wrong in his childhood, so I would not blame it at the moment. But I can not sympathize with his family anymore. I could also see him having some kind of mental illness or a personality disorder. It's not a "common behavior" to wipe out your entire family, without zero remorse or emotions at all (while you were prior to this very affectionate, caring and described as a loving parent/spouse by many people, including your own wife) because you fell in love with another person. How can somebody change within a few weeks so dramatically? This seems just odd to me. And I believe it seemed odd to Shannan and everybody she told about it, as well. So I strongly believe, that there is much more behind the surface we just didn't get to know about Chris Watts, whether he played a role a long time or he just can focus on (and love) one person at the same time, while all the other people fall just behind this "love" and get unimportant to him.

I think his love is horribly shallow to start with.

When he was Shanann's suitor, he was afraid of not having any GF or any family, ever. Then he got it. He forgot about it and started thinking he deserved - a younger wife, a better, in his view, family. He thought that had he not met Shanann, he'd be with someone better. Not understanding that Shanann helped him develop socially, a lot.
 
  • #265
Wow. Sorry if this has already been discussed, but Nichol was terminated/fired from Anadarko on 22nd August

NICHOL and I discussed her employment and she sated she was fired on August 22, 2018 from Tasman Geosciences. She reported she was a contract employee with Anadarko Petroleum through Tasman and Anadarko had cancelled her contract so Tasman in turn fired her. - Discovery Page 697

No wonder she started researching book deals and Amber Frey's net worth MOO
 
  • #266
Ultimately I think CW just didn't want his life anymore and wanted a new life. Hes a very disturbed individual.

I'm sure mom fanning the flames didn't help any though.

Moo
I wonder what CW's 's mom would have thought of NK and how she might have treated her if they had ultimately gotten married?
 
  • #267
I skipped ahead to 1886 of the 1960 discovery file I have...(which is actually discovery page 2080). Anyway a lot of questions are answered via the phone data review timeline. Holy moleys the last couple of pages from when CW murdered his family is compelling. I honestly don't know how he kept it together that day. Talking to work mates, real estate agents, schools, Shananns friends,deleting data, taking photos, googling all sort of things..think my head is going to fly off reading it.
IMO Shanann was a feisty, no nonsense type girl and in her words "had the balls" to protect her kids at all costs. (Edit to clarify this is in reference to dealing with Watts family).
 
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  • #268
Oops. That was the Lexus? I wonder if he moved them the night he was seen driving the Lexus and stopping at his truck for 3 minutes.
Possible, but where are the blankets and whatever else he packed? I wish they would have found those. :(
Also interesting is in CW’s interview w/Grahm, he said the phone was just sitting on the top of the couch, but in Nick Atkinson’s statement he said he found it under pillows and even drew a diagram that’s included. I was surprised to see that’s where they foumd the apple watch too. Not sure where the stairs are in the house but the phone and watch were found near the end of the couch. I know CW was the first one upstairs. If that end of the couch was closest to the stairs it makes me wonder if he shoved them there quickly whwn he got home.
He apparently had time to collect her ring off the nightstand. If Shanann usually charged her phone and Apple watch on her nightstand, perhaps he grabbed them all at the same time and stuffed the phone and the watch in the couch on his way to show the officer her ring. ? MOO
 
  • #269
All I see on page 1278 is a map. ? :oops: MOO

The PDF page numbers are different from the Document Discovery page numbers down the bottom. I wish people would put what they are referring to.
 
  • #270
The affair was reported to LE by Anadarko early on the 15th (discovery page 580):

During the interview with SA CODER, WATTS denied having any knowledge regarding the whereabouts of his wife and children. WATTS was also adamant there was no infidelity in his marriage of any kind. SA CODER asked CHRIS if he would be willing to take a polygraph and CHRIS agreed. CHRIS stated he had to pick up his father, later identified as RONNIE WATTS (Age 62) from the airport early the next morning, so the polygraph was scheduled for Wednesday, August 15, 2018, at 11:00 A.M. CHRIS then left the Fredrick Police Department for the evening.

It should be noted that approximately 3 hours before the polygraph was scheduled to begin (8:00 A.M.), I received a phone call from Anadarko Regional Security Manager, TONY HUSKEY. HUSKEY advised he had reviewed CHRIS’ computer network traffic and it was possible CHRIS had started a relationship with an Anadarko contracted employee. HUSKEY advised he located emails between CHRIS and the contracted employee, who he identified as NICHOL “NIKKI” KESSINGER (Age 30; ). HUSKEY said it appeared a relationship between CHRIS and KESSINGER started around June of 2018. HUSKEY further explained KESSINGER was on the “Geo Sciences” side of the company and helped survey land. HUSKEY explained CHRIS and KESSINGER worked out of the same office in Platteville, Colorado. HUSKEY advised he would be forwarding the emails to law enforcement as soon as it was cleared by their legal department. The emails received by HUSKEY are attached to this report.
So, Anadarko called LE at 8am on Aug. 15. What date and time did Nichol go into the police department to talk?
 
  • #271
I mean, the DA couldn’t get there and he was privy to everything.

I find it odd that they couldn't rule it out totally. What are the odds that the specified dates and times couldn't be ruled out ? How would Bolte know that he wasn't at work or with his wife to out of town, on the dates he said they were together?
 
  • #272
If it is a big fat lie, this Bolte guy must be crazy. Who would make up a totally false story, that is verifiable or not, and lie to the FBI about a murder investigation, for no reason? Very odd...
Yeah. That’s why I’m torn. There does seem to be a bit of corroboration from others, but there is no hard proof that it occurred.

No texts or anything.
 
  • #273
I wonder what CW's 's mom would have thought of NK and how she might have treated her if they had ultimately gotten married?
I don't think she should like anyone taking "her" son.

His mom doesn't strike as the type of person to ever be happy about anything.

Moo
 
  • #274
I wonder what CW's 's mom would have thought of NK and how she might have treated her if they had ultimately gotten married?
I am sure in their minds that if Chris had never been seduced by her, their grandchildren would still be alive and Chris and Shannan would be happy. In their mind this will alk be the homewrecker's fault.
 
  • #275
Wow. Sorry if this has already been discussed, but Nichol was terminated/fired from Anadarko on 22nd August

NICHOL and I discussed her employment and she sated she was fired on August 22, 2018 from Tasman Geosciences. She reported she was a contract employee with Anadarko Petroleum through Tasman and Anadarko had cancelled her contract so Tasman in turn fired her. - Discovery Page 697

No wonder she started researching book deals and Amber Frey's net worth MOO

Well, this is predictable. She may need to change her last name to get a job, after all.

She is not instantly recognizable.
 
  • #276
So, Anadarko called LE at 8am on Aug. 15. What date and time did Nichol go into the police department to talk?
Her interview was later on the same day, 5.36pm (discovery page 328)

ETA: This was an FBI interview
 
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  • #277
Wow. Sorry if this has already been discussed, but Nichol was terminated/fired from Anadarko on 22nd August

NICHOL and I discussed her employment and she sated she was fired on August 22, 2018 from Tasman Geosciences. She reported she was a contract employee with Anadarko Petroleum through Tasman and Anadarko had cancelled her contract so Tasman in turn fired her. - Discovery Page 697

No wonder she started researching book deals and Amber Frey's net worth MOO
You get fired when ... you do something wrong / violate the code of ethics. So ... why didn’t they see her as a “victim” and keep her employed?
 
  • #278
I rushed through all of the pdf last night and stayed up very late.

The NK material was so salacious. I don't understand why a lot of her material wasn't redacted by the DA. The specifics of her internet searches
including, "preparing for anal sex" and the posting of her lingerie photos were over-the-top. I could see that these things could rightfully be brought before the court and jury during a trial but to release them after CW had plead guilty,
served only to embarass NK.

Several of the witnesses expressed fear that their personal info (phone, name, address) would be revealed by the authorities AND IT WAS. They must be livid and feel betrayed.

Amazing that SW's psychic friend in her lupus group was so accurate.

There were so many things in this huge document drop that were unsettling but also enlightening about providing motive and the tension leading up
to the murders.

I'm sure everyone has a list of a handful of things (big and small) that made
just made your heart sink.

Here are a few of mine:

1. The description of what the girls were wearing was incredibly sad. Cece w/ Minnie Mouse panties and a diaper just made me want to weep.

2. Description of how Cece and Bella's bodies were found in the oil tanks.

3. Description of Nico partially protruding from SW's body and the
kneeling position of SW with hands outstretched in the shallow grave.
It sounded like some twisted yoga position. The aerial photo shocked me. I didn't really that the shallow grave was so close to the oil tanks.

4. So CW married a girl just like the girl who married dear old dad.
CW's Watts mother, Cw's sister, SW's mom and SW all sounded to be
very controlling and difficult women.

But, I believe that CW and his dad let the women get away with it.

5. I knew TB and the chick-a-Fil hookup woman were telling the truth
and a small group here jumped all over me. It did surprise me when TB changed his story from "Chris was a tender lover" to CW was aggressive during sex and tried to choke Trent.

6. The circumstances leading up to the murder were just as I had imagined;
extreme financial stress with irresponsible, wild spending, Thrive taking over their lives, illness, medical expenses, CW having a lot of household duties as well as work out on the heat, closeted gay tendancies on CW's part and violent sexual fantasies, insecurity about the new baby, CW feeling esmasculated and bossed by SW, families fighting and mutual disrespect, etc.

7. $25,000 for the girls school on top of a $2700 mortgage. I didn't know that they were 3 months behind in their mortgage as well as having the court case about possible f/c or least a lien by the HOA.

8. CW told investigators that SW was making between $60,000 and 70,000
with Thrive, I don't believe that. CW let SW handle the finances and didn't even know how to access his back accounts. Either CW misunderstood
that figure and confused it was being a salary instead of pyramid level or SW lied to him about how much she was making.

9. SW was even texting and taking Thrive calls when she was in bed with Chris. Get off the phone, woman!

10. It must have been really frightening for Chris to get carpel tunnel syndrome while working as a mechanic at the car dealership. He had trained to be a mechanic since being a teenager. It was part of his Nascar dream. He was lucky that he was able to transition over to working in the oil fields.

11. I have to admit that reading the texts between CW and SW, texts between CW and NK, and texts between those 3 with their friends actually made me more empathetic to all of them. What woman hasn't been in SW's position when dealing with silent, sulky man "Just say something!" who makes you do all of the work in a relationship?


12. The partially blind person w/ the jumbled email really helped inverstigators by bringing up the calculator app that was a cover for the
secret communication app that CW and NK were using.

13. In most all cases, there are times where we think that the investigators, prosecutors, defense attys really blew it. In this case, I think they all did a fine job. (Except that I think many things should have been redacted
before the documents were released.
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This total family annihilation is a sad tale. I have seen it a handful of times
in these famous cases. Men will murder their pregnant wife/GFs when they don't want the baby or don't want to pay child support.

I skipped over the prison lover letters. Can someone tell me why those were included?
Every killer has delusional fan girls who pen love letters. Why is this important to the case?

Can you believe how many Nicole there are in this case?! Even the prison guard woman or whoever she is plus the Chick-Fil-A feamle hookup have Nicole in their name!
 
  • #279
NK is a rich girl. Her dad was their boss at Anadarko . Unless her dad cuts her
off, she shouldn't be hurting for money.
 
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