GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #57

[NuttMegg]

Wow so videos/audio to come!

3 terabytes, that counts out my hard drive.

 

[NuttMegg]

Did she advise him to pawn the rings before or after she googled amber frey’s net worth. Can’t remember.
She was interested in money as much as anal.

I think the pawn remark was while the family was still "missing", probably Monday or Tuesday.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Did she advise him to pawn the rings before or after she googled amber frey’s net worth. Can’t remember.
She was interested in money as much as anal.

I had to LOL.

 

[Gardenista]

3 terabytes, that counts out my hard drive.

Maybe someone will set up a youtube channel.

 

[NuttMegg]

I agree. And I do not care for NK and her lies at all. But I do think she was led to believe at that point that SW had left on her own accord to "punish" CW.

She was told over and over that CW offered to reconcile but SW wanted the marriage over. I don't see any big deal with the pawning of the rings text.

 

[ACE422]

WOW. That's eerily accurate except he did intend to harm after all.

Yes, suffocating and strangling is certainly meaning to harm. I wonder if this person's statement was meaning that it was not planned? That something happened to suddenly cause this tragic chain of events.
From all accounts, even SW's, he was a wonderful husband and father... until very recently when his behavior "changed". "Out of left field" SW said. "I don't know ho is is." "Never" had these types of problems in their relationship before. It's scary to to think someone can change so drastically in such a short period of time.

 

[Tigerlily75]

TG! I am too old to text! I can't believe that LEO can get texts, of conversations and publish them. Never write anything down...NK better change her name, get out of town, get a new identity...I am embarrassed for her! Seriously, how could she go to work? Wondering who has read every single detail regarding the relationship between her and CW!

I remember an old saying: never put anything in writing that you wouldn’t say at the dinner table

 

[NuttMegg]

Does he make house calls to do this work? Send him over to my place.

On adobe acrobat pro you can select out pages to make into a new PDF, ie extract. Also I deleted about 300 pages I am not interested in, BOLO, media interactions, hand written notes which end up being typed up, photos that bother me, etc. It helps.

 

[pocketaccent]

Interrogation

Per CW, "Shanann recently took out $10,000 from his 401k to catch up on their mortgage payments. (Chris believed the loan against his 401k was taken out approximately five months ago.)
* They were three months behind on their mortgage payments.
*They had received a letter from Chase Bank pertaining to their delinquent home loan.
*He and Shanann were stressed out about their financial situation.
*He currently owes his mortgage payment for August, which is due tomorrow (August 16, 2018)
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OK, I have some problems with his statements.

-Shanann cannot take out any loan from CW's 401k, period, without his consent and signature. The rules on 401k are very strict. Although it's considered marital property, it is not joint account. If the loan was really taken out, I'm willing to bet that he took it out to spend for his pleasure, and he probably did it more recently, not five months ago.

-He says that his morgage payment for August is due August 16th. Sounds like they are current.

-Is he saying Shanann took out the loan to pay for 3 months of morgage payment they were behind of? If this is the case, then they did not pay Dec, Jan, Feb payments since the loan was taken out 5 months ago to pay for those 3 months. Ugh, I think he is lying.

-"He currently owes his mortgage payment for August."--He should have said they currently owe..., since at this point, his family is just missing, not dead.

 

[Deleted member 182072]

Sorry if already posted:
August 8, 2018 From pdf page 1911:

2219 hours: Shanann told Utoft and Cassie, "l will fight for full custody." Shanann said Watts told her he does not want to divorce right away
2240 hours: Shanann told the women, "l can't afford three kids alone in Colorado." Shanann said their current home loan is "on Chris' name." Her friends rallied around Shanann
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Chance encounter with licensed CO attorney (OH) with SW and unidentified female friend of SW at a restaurant in March or April 2018:
From pdf page 1345, 1346

OH said SHANANN WATTS seemed to be interested in what could happen to children in divorce proceedings. OH said he told SHANANN WATTS about the Spahmer doctrine in Colorado which specifically addresses the out of state relocation of children in a divorce occurring in Colorado. OH said
he told SHANANN WATTS that the presiding judge can’t tell the custodial parent where to live, but the judge can decide on which parent gets custody of the children. OH continued and told SHANANN WATTS that the courts will make decisions which they think is in the best interest of the children.
OH said SHANANN WATTS seemed concerned about this doctrine because she had two children from her current marriage, two girls.

OH said he asked SHANANN WATTS if she was thinking about getting a divorce and OH said SHANANN WATTS did not answer the question directly but he did see her smile in response to the question. OH said he also noticed the unidentified friend smile as well.

OH said after everyone at the table finished eating, they all stood up and SHANANN WATTS approached him and asked a few more questions about divorce. OH said he thought it was about 10:00 p.m. OH said SHANANN WATTS asked if it was possible for the courts in Colorado to give custody of the children in a divorce to the man in the case. OH confirmed it was a possibility for the courts to grant the man custody of the children in a Colorado divorce case. OH said SHANANN WATTS asked if divorce with children is a messy process and OH said he told SHANANN WATTS that unless there is infidelity in the marriage, he would recommend doing everything possible to save the marriage rather than file for divorce. OH said he got the feeling that SHANANN WATTS wanted to ask more in-depth questions about divorce, but he thought she was a little hesitant because her friend was there.

OH said he remembered SHANANN WATTS talked about wanting to have another child, but she pressed concern for her health because the last time she was pregnant she had issues with her Lupus flaring up. OH said SHANANN WATTS may have mentioned that her husband wanted a baby boy.
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So SW would have gone for full custody and moved back to NC to be with her family if she divorced him.

 

[nwmouse]

Raise your hand if you want to hear the audio of that creepy laugh.

Yes please.

 

[Tortoise]

Where did we hear (prior to these documents being made public) that CW told NK he had been in NC to finalize his divorce? It's not supported by the discovery docs I've read so far.

 

[x_files]

Yes, suffocating and strangling is certainly meaning to harm. I wonder if this person's statement was meaning that it was not planned? That something happened to suddenly cause this tragic chain of events.
From all accounts, even SW's, he was a wonderful husband and father... until very recently when his behavior "changed". "Out of left field" SW said. "I don't know ho is is." "Never" had these types of problems in their relationship before. It's scary to to think someone can change so drastically in such a short period of time.

agreed. But, it looks he did indeed coldly plotted their demise.

 

[Tortoise]

Yes please.

I haven't got to that part yet, whose laugh is it and what was s/he laughing at?

 

[mtnlites]

I haven't got to that part yet, whose laugh is it and what was s/he laughing at?

NK was described as having both a creepy and childish laugh on her voicemails to CW.

 

[liltexans]

Yes, suffocating and strangling is certainly meaning to harm. I wonder if this person's statement was meaning that it was not planned? That something happened to suddenly cause this tragic chain of events.
From all accounts, even SW's, he was a wonderful husband and father... until very recently when his behavior "changed". "Out of left field" SW said. "I don't know ho is is." "Never" had these types of problems in their relationship before. It's scary to to think someone can change so drastically in such a short period of time.

I don’t think CW changed. I think he just started revealing more of who he really is. I believe he is a sociopath and his mask just unraveled finally. He was never a good guy. He was pretending until he could pretend no more. His behaviors may have changed, but he was just going through the motions most of his life, IMO. Who he has shown himself to be is who he always was.

 

[Ultra Violet]

Where did we hear (prior to these documents being made public) that CW told NK he had been in NC to finalize his divorce? It's not supported by the discovery docs I've read so far.

In NK’s Denver Post interview. So fascinating to re-read it now.

Christopher Watts girlfriend Nichol Kessinger speaks about Frederick murders

 

[nwmouse]

I haven't got to that part yet, whose laugh is it and what was s/he laughing at?

25 and 30 July prior to the murders.

Quote by me: 25 July:
During that conversation Kessinger called Watts and left a voicemail. Following an eerily disconcerting childlike giggle she told Watts, "l miss your face. I was just calling to say hi. Call me back, bye." [41. - TL: 6513 - 5514. Audio: 250.amr]

D0622018CR002003 DISCOVERY PAGE 2092

 

[The Farm]

Yes! I was going to comment on that, beat me to the punch. They were facebook friends, never met, so it gives a little tiny bit of insight...maybe but still a huge reach. Facebook is usually a highlight reel of your life so I doubt being FB friends did a thing other than supply her with names.

I don't know how I feel about psychics but reading her anonymous tip, I'm a believer in her, at least. You can't guess at everything she did and get that much right. Pretty much everything right! Not going to lie, I had to read it twice, just amazing.

I do not want to jump the gun here and I will contact the mods first. I have a lot going on right now with my health and animals health but I think she might not be far from me. It was hard to read her last name, I could not tell if the o's were a's or o's.
Either way someone did come up and it list her as a massage therapist. Not sure if it is her.
If someone could look at that doc for me and tell me what you think the last name spelling is I will think I have the right person.
Her reading for SW and the girls left my hands shaking.
Again I will not do or post anything without contacting the mods if I go forward with this.

P,S. Please send me a private message if you can decipher the name as I am afraid I will lost answers in the thread. Sometimes it just moves to fast for me to keep up.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Where did we hear (prior to these documents being made public) that CW told NK he had been in NC to finalize his divorce? It's not supported by the discovery docs I've read so far.

She made the comment in her interview with Denver Post.
Christopher Watts girlfriend Nichol Kessinger speaks about Frederick murders