GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #58

[MassGuy]

Do we have any actual proof there was financial strain other than people speculating and CW saying they were late on their mortgage and SW had to take money out of his 401K to pay their bills. I skimmed over the financial stuff in Discovery but seem to recall they had about $10,000 in credit card debt. I know many people w/far more on their cards than that. And I know they were for not paying their homeowner's dues but I don't know if that's because they were in some kind of dispute, waiting for HOA to do something they promised, like fix something.

I'm not saying they weren't in financial trouble, I'm just asking what factual evidence do we have that supports it. To anyone who replies w/info, thank you in advance.

All we have is CW’s statements to go on, and the fact that SW texted her friend Cassie about mortgage issues (Cassie also has foreclosure history).

Page 634 has write up documenting texts

Nothing solid.

 

[Johnny1181]

It is always a woman's fault, going right back to Eve the temptress. It is in our genes to blame a woman for every man's 'mistake'.

That has to stop. Because in my newly acquired white guy privilege.... every man makes mostly ever mistake. Eve is not our issue. It's the problem of the victimization of Adam.... wasn't it so sad he had to eat that apple? Ugh. jmo

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

It is always a woman's fault, going right back to Eve the temptress. It is in our genes to blame a woman for every man's 'mistake'.

I don't blame NK for the murders. Even if she planted the seed, even if she flat out told him to do it (note: not saying she did),its CW that carried out the crime. Its CW that was able to dump his babies in oil and lie to the world without blinking an eye.

CW is 100% to blame.

But NK had an opportunity to help. She had the legal obligation to help. Instead she lied and hindered the investigation. She's not blameless in that.

Moo

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

WORK EMAILS BETWEEN CW & NK

Discovery page 580

"It should be noted that appro[imately 3 hours before the polygraph was scheduled to begin 8:00 A.M., I received a phone call from Anadarko Regional Security Manager, TONY HUSKEY. HUSKEY advised he had reviewed CHRIS’ computer network traffic and it was possible CHRIS had started a relationship with an Anadarko contracted employee. HUSKEY advised he located emails between CHRIS and the contracted employee, who he identified as NICHOL ³NIKKI´ KESSINGER Age 30 . HUSKEY said it appeared a relationship between CHRIS and KESSINGER started around June of 2018. HUSKEY further e[plained KESSINGER was on the ³Geo Sciences´ side of the company and helped survey land. HUSKEY e[plained CHRIS and KESSINGER worked out of the same office in Platteville, Colorado. HUSKEY advised he would be forwarding the emails to law enforcement as soon as it was cleared by their legal department. The emails received by HUSKEY are attached to this report."

 

[escape2sc]

I am not angry with NK for the affair. Affairs happen every day she just happened to be the one CW hooked up with. I can understand why she wasn't forthcoming with LE...if it was to protect her privacy. Her credibility is shot and she did that to herself with the Dateline interview and lying to LE. She had no way of knowing that CW would murder his family. She lost her job and will most likely have to change her name to be able to get a decent job and not be hounded by the weirdos that will crawl out of the wood work. What angers me is her searching for Amber Fryes net worth and book deal. She should not be able to profit from the murders of Shanann, Bella and CeCe. To me, her profiting off this would be horrendously disrespectful to their memories and Shanann's family

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

Imagine if it was your loved one missing, as with CW's Dad FR, and you find out a mistress is lying to FBI.

RSBM

It is unimaginable and pours salt in wounds. I think FR junior FB account is evidence of this.

How horrible for them to have to read all that.

Moo

 

[MsBetsy]

So what? A woman believed a man who made a convincing case that he was divorcing even to the extent of apt shopping and slept with him. Exchanged "kink" with him. Tried to find ways online to please him. Because for some insane reason this guy gets women who want to please him.
Throwing up in my mouth.

What does she deserve to suffer? She believed the lying .

What consequences does she deserve?

jmo

I believe she has and is suffering. She lost her job, her reputation, and now every one will forever associate her with a murderer.

 

[Jennifer17]

Her consequences are shame/humiliation/embarrassment.... And it is well deserved.It takes two to tango. he is obviously more at fault but she is not an innocent victim. He is the murderer and home wrecker and she is a home wrecker as well. He definitely isnt the only one. She saw Sw’s social media and didnt care. I bet she will think twice abt sleeping with a married man.

It was his home and family that he wrecked and thankfully this now widowed man will not get the chance to sleep with a woman again, although there may be some married men in his future. I am not sure that he would mind that, though.

 

[Soccermom5]

It is always a woman's fault, going right back to Eve the temptress. It is in our genes to blame a woman for every man's 'mistake'.

I would never solely blame a woman for a man’s mistake. They are both adults and both are to blame. It takes two to tango. we all have free will. He cheated on his wife and murdered his entire family. She got involved with a married man. All are wrong and murder is obvious;ly the worse offense. They both have to pay the consequences for their actions...whether they are male or female makes no difference.

 

[Johnny1181]

Night new web fam. Thanks for teaching me.

#ShinelikeShannan

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I don’t agree. Tech savvy or not, there was no reason for her to think her search history or texts would be made public on such a scale. She wasn’t dating a famous person. She didn’t know this was going to happen. She absolutely should not have gotten involved with a married man. But I don’t agree that she deserves to be “humiliated, embarrassed, and hated” because the married man she picked turned out to be a murderer. She made a mistake, but she didn’t know it was going to be put on an international scale.

When you play with fire, sometimes you get burnt.

 

[Jennifer17]

That has to stop. Because in my newly acquired white guy privilege.... every man makes mostly ever mistake. Eve is not our issue. It's the problem of the victimization of Adam.... wasn't it so sad he had to eat that apple? Ugh. jmo

I don't think that it started with Eve, but the first time it was written.

 

[Johnny1181]

I believe she has and is suffering. She lost her job, her reputation, and now every one will forever associate her with a murderer.

Yes MsBetsy. Yes Ma'am. And we should leave her alone imo

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

I will try to search. I think it was CW boss that emailed LE with the info.

see post #447 this thread

 

[Johnny1181]

I don't think that it started with Eve, but the first time it was written.

Adam is always the victim though isn't he? Thanks for great convo! Off to some sweet dreams I hope.

 

[Soccermom5]

CW deserves to be held in 'stocks' on the streets of CO for days on end and humiliation heaped upon him, and be made to look at his accusers! Then, begin his prison sentence, where he has sanctuary from the hell he created for Shanann's family and friends! A life in prison hiding away is TOO good for him and so is the death penalty!

She may not be guilty of an actual crime, but the DA thought little of her enough to say in his press conference that she was “somewhat forthcoming” and then made sure all of her web searches and text messages were included in the documents dump to show her for exactly what she is...it was his last FU to CW and her since this case wasnt going to trial.

 

[Colorado303]

This is so true. And you know I respect you. But she is not responsible for this. She's a dumb . He's a cold blooded murder.
jmo

I don't disagree that of course what he did was far, far worse than anything NK did. NK's actions, though not commendable were entirely human. I'd like to think I'd make different choices but understand why she did everything she did. On the other hand I don't think CW's actions are human. I don't understand how he could do the things he did and never will.

That said, just a week ago posters were lauding NK on these threads as a hero. Grouping her with NUA and the DA's office. I think many people on her are angry that she duped them in her media interview and furious that she knowingly destroyed evidence and lied to LE for her own selfish reasons. She said from day two she thought CW killed his family. So even believing he was was a monster who killed his little girls in cold blood and dumped them in oil like trash, she still deliberately hampered law enforcement efforts knowing that could possibly prevent them from ever convicting him.

On a Villain Scale of 1-10, with 1 being someone going 10 MPH over the speed limit and 10 being Chris Watts himself, I'm not sure where I would put Cindy Watts but wherever it is I'd put NK right next to her.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

It was his home and family that he wrecked and thankfully this now widowed man will not get the chance to sleep with a woman again, although there may be some married men in his future. I am not sure that he would mind that, though.

Unfortunately it's more than his home and family he wrecked. The ripple effects of this crime spreads far and wide.

Moo

 

[PrimeSuspect]

It is always a woman's fault, going right back to Eve the temptress. It is in our genes to blame a woman for every man's 'mistake'.

Yes, I agree.
Mama and Papa Watts have a lot to answer for but NK is caught in the crossfire. I don't like the sound of the lady but who else is going to hook up with CW? He was on the prowl for sex, sexual desire equals love in his books, it would never last!

CW is the evil monster and if his gesture in killing his family was for NK, well, that's just too sick to comprehend, it's Susan Smith all over again! I don't remember anyone blaming her boyfriend and he told her straight, he 'didn't want a woman with kids'.

 

[NuttMegg]

It was his home and family that he wrecked and thankfully this now widowed man will not get the chance to sleep with a woman again, although there may be some married men in his future. I am not sure that he would mind that, though.

i know cw loves Metallica, I wonder if he is too young to remember "Running on Empty" and Jackson Browne's "Rosie". Great lyrics.