GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #58

[Tuliptiptoe]

This is the same Jeremy that Chris' mother called up on the phone to complain about Shanann. I'm taking his assessment of Shanann's character and motivations with a large shaker of salt.

I was very put off when I read his interview so that clears things up.

What a bizarre group of people. How did they all manage to find each other.

Moo

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Is it just me or are several comments posting numerous times?

Sometimes the threads do it. It is happening to me right now also.

 

[PommyMommy]

I have never bashed her. A lot of this is in the discovery pages. They did have a court date for not paying their association fees. I think they were clearly in debt and this was a huge stressor for him. Their house note was $2800 and they had lots of medical bills. He didnt make that much money and her income was somewhat questionable too. And a new baby on the way... they were in way over their heads,

BBM
If they were in financial trouble, you don't you think it would have caused her stress as well? MOO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I dont wish the woman hate or harm.
however her behaviour does deserve scrutiny because at the end of the day she did lie at more opportunities than I care for and her influence and affection /relationship with CW was the catalyst for 4 murders that her lover committed to be with her.

I did give her cudos in the beginning when she came forward and the benefit of the doubt of her intentions the whole way along but too much points to unsavoury colluding to get what she wanted.
I don't actually think CW would have told her what he was going to do. how could he??

she jumped a sinking ship just like rats do....that is all the grace she brought to the table.

moo

“the catalyst” and a jumping rat. Bravo!

 

[Thepoet]

I too thought NK was a hero and posted it. Sadly, I was wrong. Still, CW is the monster and solely responsible. Whatever influences he had in his life, he made the final decisions. It was his brain that made the plans and his hands that committed the crimes! His, him, CW. No one else. He admitted it; nine times.

 

[Johnny1181]

 

[Colorado303]

You have an issue with me Johnny. That's the second time you brought that up?

If you are both still duking it out, can you move your one on one conversation to a private thread or ignore each other or something? Maybe join a virtual Outward Bounds-like team-building program somewhere and come back as BFFs ? Nothing personal--I enjoy each of your posts and I'm not taking sides. Mods, delete this if it's inappropriate.

 

[k-mac]

its interesting how things roll.
there is starting to become a divide amongst us about Nicole.

my stance.
she was a co-habitator in destroying the watts marriage, that's fact.

the resentment toward her is fair.

I don't support any posts that paint her as a victim.

jmo

 

[PommyMommy]

Was the interview with the Thayers in the document dump? I didnt see an interview with them.

AT's interview begins on page 313 (Discovery page 360)

 

[Soccermom5]

Cw said in the interrogation that sw made about as much as he did. By saying that their debt was a stressor for HIM, you are bashing sw and also seeming to give him an excuse tto murder his family.

Thats not bashing her...I spend more myself than I should...Neither one of them made enough to be living like they were. She had already filed for bankruptcy once and they were being sued for not paying their homeowners fees... There is never an excuse for murder! I absolutely think their finances( her spending and His) were a major stressor and played a huge part on why he didnt just divorce her instead of murdering her! He looked at apartments, saw how expensive they were and knew he would have a difficult time paying child support and having a place of his own and buying jewelry and taking his mistress on trips!

 

[Soccermom5]

AT's interview begins on page 313 (Discovery page 360)

Thank you!

 

[LittleFleurDeLys]

It’s interesting how these cheating men always think the grass is greener on the other side. He kills his first family because he wants his freedom and what exactly does he thing this new woman is going to do? She’s going to want to get married and start a family too! It’s all the same, we all get comfortable in our marriage, things become routine, work, family etc. We all have baggage from life, and everyone has problems. Marriage is a commitment that two people have to work at together. The good, bad and the ugly. If you find someone who loves you, works with you through thick and thin, raises a family with you and accepts you as you are, you should count your blessings. Chris had it all with Shanann, but after 8 years and 3 kids, he had enough. Nicole should be counting her blessings that she didn’t end up with him or she would have found herself in the same spot Shanann did.

I often think about that delayed flight...if she had come home on time, Chris would have had more time to do his evil deeds and cover them up better. He may have gotten away with it and there would be no justice for Shanann, Bella, CeCe and Nico. So the next time you’re at the airport and your flight gets delayed, take it as a gift from God, as He has a reason for everything.

I don't believe that he had ever gotten away with it, even if he had had plenty of time for covering everything up. He made too many stupid mistakes. And it would not have taken too much time that other people ( other friends, family members) would have noticed that Shannan and the children apparently had disappeared into thin air. If I remember it correctly Shannan stayed in contact with her mum on a daily basis at least regularly. Chris didn't have the brain and the skills for the perfect murder - in my opinion.

 

[KathrynL]

Very well said. Why do women get "shamed" for being with a married man? NK was lied to by a psychopath. She didn't ask for being involved in this situation.

Also, she was single and he was the married person. IMO, he is the more despicable person in this relationship for not honoring his marriage and children. If the gender roles were reversed, my opinion would be the same. CW seems to have had everyone in his life completely fooled. He's the bad guy and he has damaged everyone who ever thought they knew him.

 

[Soccermom5]

I don't believe that he had ever gotten away with it, even if he had had plenty of time for covering everything up. He made too many stupid mistakes. And it would not have taken too much time that other people ( other friends, family members) would have noticed that Shannan and the children apparently had disappeared into thin air. If I remember it correctly Shannan stayed in contact with her mum on a daily basis at least regularly. Chris didn't have the brain and the skills for the perfect murder - in my opinion.

Unlike the Lacey Peterson case, her family jumped to his defense and said no way did he have anything to do with her disappearance! SW’s family and friends immediately suspected him..no way would he have ever gotten away with this.

 

[NuttMegg]

Thats not bashing her...I spend more myself than I should...Neither one of them made enough to be living like they were. She had already filed for bankruptcy once and they were being sued for not paying their homeowners fees... There is never an excuse for murder! I absolutely think their finances( her spending and His) were a major stressor and played a huge part on why he didnt just divorce her instead of murdering her! He looked at apartments, saw how expensive they were and knew he would have a difficult time paying child support and having a place of his own and buying jewelry and taking his mistress on trips!

THEY filed for bankruptcy. Anyway count me out of this discussion, it's like going back to when all the bash sw stuff was finding it's way over from MRS fb page.

 

[PommyMommy]

Thats not bashing her...I spend more myself than I should...Neither one of them made enough to be living like they were. She had already filed for bankruptcy once and they were being sued for not paying their homeowners fees... There is never an excuse for murder! I absolutely think their finances( her spending and His) were a major stressor and played a huge part on why he didnt just divorce her instead of murdering her! He looked at apartments, saw how expensive they were and knew he would have a difficult time paying child support and having a place of his own and buying jewelry and taking his mistress on trips!

BBM
No, THEY filed for bankruptcy. If financial difficulties were the catalyst, then wouldn't he have killed her in 2015? MOO

 

[Pi Thoughts]

Thank you!

Mr Thayer DP369

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Question, have any media Outlets put up the direct link to the first document dump? Or are they all Doling it out little by little with their interpretation.

Also, what happened to the video people that were linked before in keeping up with this case? Have they not done any updates or have they just not been linked?

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

I don't believe that he had ever gotten away with it, even if he had had plenty of time for covering everything up. He made too many stupid mistakes. And it would not have taken too much time that other people ( other friends, family members) would have noticed that Shannan and the children apparently had disappeared into thin air. If I remember it correctly Shannan stayed in contact with her mum on a daily basis at least regularly. Chris didn't have the brain and the skills for the perfect murder - in my opinion.

No way he would have gotten away with it, but he may have bought himself a few more days.

I love so much how on top of him NA was. As soon as he told her not to call police, she did. She got him talking to the media right away. She knew instantly and did everything right.

It must have made him so angry.

Moo

 

[Jennifer17]

Thats not bashing her...I spend more myself than I should...Neither one of them made enough to be living like they were. She had already filed for bankruptcy once and they were being sued for not paying their homeowners fees... There is never an excuse for murder! I absolutely think their finances( her spending and His) were a major stressor and played a huge part on why he didnt just divorce her instead of murdering her! He looked at apartments, saw how expensive they were and knew he would have a difficult time paying child support and having a place of his own and buying jewelry and taking his mistress on trips!

BBM. SHE had filed for bankruptcy once? No, THEY had filed for bankruptcy once.