GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #59

[MassGuy]

Hello Everyone. A couple of months ago, I realized that Shannon, Nico, Bella and CeCe had been killed for another woman and I just couldn’t post anymore. I stepped away until last week. I am still new but was wondering about this:

While Shannon was at the business conference in AZ, CW got another babysitter because he had won raffle tickets through work for a Rockies game. Shannon was actively worried about problems in her marriage and trying to give CHRIS SPACE, but (this is just me) I would have wanted pictures from the game (as a wife wondering what was going on in my marriage). He would not have been able to produce any pictures or even ticket stubs from the game. He lied about something he was going to get called out on, if he wasn’t already. So at that time, he didn’t either care she found out, or he knew he was going to kill her and the girls, while he was on the date with NK.

He also paid with a credit card, as opposed to the gift cards he usually used. NK found this strange, as he clearly made efforts in the past to conceal their affair.

We know that SW became aware of this restaurant bill.

For some reason, he no longer cared about their affair being exposed, and it’s not a stretch to think that the reason he didn’t care is because he already had a plan in mind.

Ominous indeed.

 

[Seattle1]

BBM

This reads to me as if they already had Kessinger's phone records before they ever had contact with her.

Pg 640 (Discovery pg 723)

ACTION TAKEN: On 8/15/2018 I, Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) Investigative Analyst JILLIAN GANLEY, created a Law Enforcement Support Packet for NICHOL KESSINGER. KESSINGER is the girlfriend of CHRIS WATTS. The support packet was created so CBI Agents, Frederick PD Detectives, and FBI Agents could locate and attempt to interview her.

I researched criminal and public data sources to determine current address of subject, current contact information, employment history and criminal history. I completed searches in CCIC/NCIC, TLO, CLEAR,LUMEN, ZTEXT, CO Courts, Facebook and Instagram. The information found was forwarded to AIC KIRBY LEWIS, FBI ANALYST LIZ DAWSON, and CBI AGENT KEVIN KOBACK and was further disseminated from there.

ATTACHMENTS:
Law Enforcement Support Packet, LPR Search for KESSINGER’S vehicle, KESSINGER’S phone records received from Verizon Wireless on an exigency request.

Brilliant Pommy!
They secured this info by warrant along with phone data for CW and SW accounts.

 

[book-thinker]

Interesting find Discovery document pg 1060. Notes received Sept. 4, 2018 from NK.
NK provided a 7 page typed document, containing notes of events she had recalled, document was given after meeting with CBI Koback several time before.. The events occurred between 6/25/18 through 8/13/18. NK questioned CW about the marriage, and how SW treated him. SW didn't pay enough attention to him, and she wasn't more supportive of him. It was all about me, me, me...
The kicker is on approximately 6/27/18. NK notes Chris bring condoms over to the house. One box unopened, second a
partially used box. NK asked him why is one box partially used, his reply the condoms are from back when he was still having sex with his wife. The condoms were sitting in the closet collecting dust.
NK has a exceptional capacity for remembering details! Thats all I give her.

 

[human]

PDF page 520, Discovery page 587

SHANANN made between $65,000 - $70,000 a year with Thrive.
SHANANN had approximately 200 people who are signed up under her.

Is it true, as stated in the discovery that they were three months behind on their house payment?

 

[esayer]

I have a woman friend who was an ordained minister. We had been together for a retreat and she was talking about how her husband had been acting withdrawn and different. She also brought up "the young blond floozie from the choir" he'd been hanging around with recently. Well, she got home and I got this hysterical phone call from her about her husband meeting her at the door with his suitcase saying he was leaving and in love and moving in with (floozie). I jumped in and said, "he's not in love, he's in LUST." In my humble opinion, there we have some kind of a difference between the sexes. Definitely MOO

Yep, how many times does THAT work? We all know it's a recipe for disaster but somehow people keep making this insanely rookie mistake.

 

[NuttMegg]

Again, I'm not making excuses for CW. From the mountains of FB and other media sights Shanann shared her thoughts about her work and her life. CW appeared to take an active and happy role in the family from her videos. BUT, none of us can really know what goes on behind closed doors, (my life is living proof of that, having been married to an abusive physician.) I think that by the time summer came around, that marriage was in big trouble. SW leaving for several weeks, going half way across the country speaks volumes to that. My heart aches for what she must have been going through. We have expectations that making a life with the person we love, will bring joy and fulfillment. As dreams become shattered, mental anguish and chaos take over. Trying to sort out and deal with all of these emotions takes a huge toll. And there are children in the middle of all of this. As time went on, in the summer, I think CW felt a sense of freedom from his responsibilities. All of this is a lot of speculation on my part. If my memory serves me, I think her income was nearly $30,000 and CW about $60,000. Not nearly enough to support their lifestyle. I;m old now, and I have no idea where I saw these figures, but I didn't make them up.

Why don't you go by the account of her own husband, recently relayed to interrogators. She made about as much as he did, not half....about as much. Why would it speak "volumes" to you, that she went "half way across the country", to where her parents live? Do you think he would have curtailed his adultery and stopped wasting the family money on some person at work if she had gone, for instance, only 1/4 way across the country?
Maybe you've never had 2 very small kids, a 15 week pregnancy, several illnesses, so you can't understand, maybe, how much being with parents (hers and his) for some summer weeks would make sense. Except for CW murdering the whole family, what signs of "chaos", what "toll" did she deal with, other than the husband brutally killing her and tiny kids and desecrating their bodies?

 

[amiless]

Hello Everyone. A couple of months ago, I realized that Shannon, Nico, Bella and CeCe had been killed for another woman and I just couldn’t post anymore. I stepped away until last week. I am still new but was wondering about this:

While Shannon was at the business conference in AZ, CW got another babysitter because he had won raffle tickets through work for a Rockies game. Shannon was actively worried about problems in her marriage and trying to give CHRIS SPACE, but (this is just me) I would have wanted pictures from the game (as a wife wondering what was going on in my marriage). He would not have been able to produce any pictures or even ticket stubs from the game. He lied about something he was going to get called out on, if he wasn’t already. So at that time, he didn’t either care she found out, or he knew he was going to kill her and the girls, while he was on the date with NK.

Oh, I absolutely agree that he did not care because he already knew he was going to kill her. That's why he paid for dinner on Saturday night with the credit card instead of the gift cards he normally used on dates with NK.

JMO

 

[human]

What does it matter why she chose to work with Thrive? She's gone. Who cares what her job was? I would never choose to work with an MLM but I've never understood why that matters in regards to these murders.



Shannon was simply asking Chris if the only reason he's been married to her this long was because they have children. Pretty simple question to ask of your spouse who you think doesn't love you and makes you wonder if they ever did. With all due respect, who cares where Shanann worked or how much money she made. And why should we believe ANY statements Chris made, especially regarding Shanann. We don't have the whole picture about what?

I do not have the reference on here, but there were perhaps four reasons explaining FA. One was money. He did not have religious reasons. I don’t remember the other two.

 

[PommyMommy]

Again, I'm not making excuses for CW. From the mountains of FB and other media sights Shanann shared her thoughts about her work and her life. CW appeared to take an active and happy role in the family from her videos. BUT, none of us can really know what goes on behind closed doors, (my life is living proof of that, having been married to an abusive physician.) I think that by the time summer came around, that marriage was in big trouble. SW leaving for several weeks, going half way across the country speaks volumes to that. My heart aches for what she must have been going through. We have expectations that making a life with the person we love, will bring joy and fulfillment. As dreams become shattered, mental anguish and chaos take over. Trying to sort out and deal with all of these emotions takes a huge toll. And there are children in the middle of all of this. As time went on, in the summer, I think CW felt a sense of freedom from his responsibilities, and I think SW was sensing that her world was falling apart. All of this is a lot of speculation on my part.

The North Carolina vacation was not a result of marital problems. It had nothing to do with it, as the vacation was planned as far back as April. They wanted the girls to spend time with both sides of the family prior to the start of school, and nobody beyond the girls' grandparents had even met Celeste. Additionally, Shanann wanted to grow her business in that area and worked while she was there. There's a 30-minute video on Shanann's FB that has been linked here countless times that explains most of this, as well as photos of work-related events there. MOO

 

[Gingerbread7]

Interesting find Discovery document pg 1060. Notes received Sept. 4, 2018 from NK.
NK provided a 7 page typed document, containing notes of events she had recalled, document was given after meeting with CBI Koback several time before.. The events occurred between 6/25/18 through 8/13/18. NK questioned CW about the marriage, and how SW treated him. SW didn't pay enough attention to him, and she wasn't more supportive of him. It was all about me, me, me...
The kicker is on approximately 6/27/18. NK notes Chris bring condoms over to the house. One box unopened, second a
partially used box. NK asked him why is one box partially used, his reply the condoms are from back when he was still having sex with his wife. The condoms were sitting in the closet collecting dust.
NK has a exceptional capacity for remembering details! Thats all I give her.

Except he impregnates Shannon, which implies they didn’t use condoms!

 

[Tippy Lynn]

But it is so not true.

I would see so many people on rummage sale sites trying to get some money for different MLM stuff . Make up , oils, hand bags, leggings, food. It wasn’t working for them.

It is interesting to me that people become believers. Maybe it is the camaraderie that keeps them going.

I agree. It’s usually too good to be true and it takes a lot of work to actually make money at it.
jmo

 

[mtnlites]

Is it true, as stated in the discovery that they were three months behind on their house payment?

It said they were back in February and that SW had borrowed from CW's 401 (k) to catch it up.

 

[Thepoet]

I haven't confirmed that she called in sick or what day it was. The only place I've seen it is in the handwritten notes. I have a list of things to check on and that's one of them. Something tells me that she was the instigator behind all the deletions. She suggested he close his Facebook, she suggested he get a separate bank account, she asked her friend Charlotte to delete photos of her on SM, she deleted all her text messages with CW... MOO

LOL! I have this mental picture of you with a clipboard that has a sheaf of pages. You are methodically checking, cross-checking, reviewing your pins, and checking things off off your (long) list! Maybe a second pen or pencil behind your ear! Anyway, great work and dedication. Thanks so very much!

 

[human]

What does it matter why she chose to work with Thrive? She's gone. Who cares what her job was? I would never choose to work with an MLM but I've never understood why that matters in regards to these murders.



Shannon was simply asking Chris if the only reason he's been married to her this long was because they have children. Pretty simple question to ask of your spouse who you think doesn't love you and makes you wonder if they ever did. With all due respect, who cares where Shanann worked or how much money she made. And why should we believe ANY statements Chris made, especially regarding Shanann. We don't have the whole picture about what?

I believe the income statement was from him. Is he telling the truth about it?

 

[Love Never Fails]

Sorry if already posted

“Offenders at this facility will not be housed there permanently, the facility will process the inmate into the department of corrections system by being physically and mental evaluated. It is at this point that the staff will determine what programs the inmate may benefit from. An educational and skills testing will take place, which will further classify the offenders needs. From all these factors the staff will determine which facility is best to house the inmate at permanently.

Christopher Watts transferred to new facility for physical, mental evaluation

He got life without the possibility for parole. What programs could he benefit from? What a waste of taxpayer money.

 

[PommyMommy]

what the? Oh thanks. Until now, I was doing pretty good at avoiding reading a 2000 page doc dump. Anyone have a link?

Pg 1262 (Discovery pg 1401) - Sandra Rzucek’s letter begins...

Documents: Christopher Watts discovery file | Garage (Residential) | Bathroom

 

[tmar]

Completely agree with you about Shanann's mother.
Sandi is a total class act, just like her daughter was who took after her.

Wish I could say the same about the Watts family.
I was done posting on this case until I got a response the other day to a month old comment of mine on another site.
I think it was from Chris Watts' sister, and if so, she is still at it bashing Shanann.
Unbelievable.
I now believe the Watts' hate for Shanann is much stronger than their love ever was for Bella and CeCe.
JMO

If you are saying, Chris Watts' sister is still bashing Shan'ann, is correct, that is horrid.
After everything revealed, at this stage, to continue her evil actions is disgusting.
What an ugly family.

 

[molly1255]

It was prior to her interview.

Pg 513 (Discovery pg 580) –Approximately 3 hours before the polygraph was scheduled to begin (8:00 A.M.), I received a phone call from Anadarko Regional Security Manager, TONY HUSKEY. HUSKEY advised he had reviewed CHRIS’ computer network traffic and it was possible CHRIS had started a relationship with an Anadarko contracted employee. HUSKEY advised he located emails between CHRIS and the contracted employee, who he identified as NICHOL “NIKKI” KESSINGER (Age 30; ). HUSKEY said it appeared a relationship between CHRIS and KESSINGER started around June of 2018.

JMO, NK didn't come forward to help LE. She had to come forward before LE came looking for her. She knew they knew about her.

 

[Jupiter05]

Some other things that jumped out at me from the docu-dump that I haven't really seen discussed. Though I may have missed it. Discovery page 2102 Shannan texted "would you stay with me if I didn't have the kids." If it /had/ gone to trial this seems like it would have looked bad for the possibility of her killing them? (I know it could also be her picking up on his coldness to the kids and /his/ wanting them gone) .

Also I'm not sure where it was at but I thought there was talk of bad blood in the past with her and others about money and I'm just not seeing how she could possibly be making that much with the MLM thing. Though I suppose some people somehow make money on it. I've heard of people going into debt buying product to reach a level of sales. I just don't feel like we have the whole picture.

Here's the thing from discovery page 596 (and I am NOT saying she deserved to die I just find a lot of things perplexing in this case)
"SHANANN got their policies through his cousin’s wife (NICOLE KENNEDY), so he does not know how much they were.
 SHANANN and NICOLE had a falling out over a “money thing.”
 He believed NICOLE and SHANANN’s old boss believed SHANANN had embezzled money from the business."

You are sounding a bit like CW's family. You are trying to put SW in a bad light on things that were said from CW's family and never confirmed. We are not here to bash Shanann. CW MURDERED his family. You bring up things that were said in discovery by the very toxic Watts family. Why? None of them were confirmed. What HAS been confirmed is that CW is a liar and a murderer.

 

[ab01]

Are we really trying to justify the actions of a monster who brutally strangled his wife and smothered his little girls and then discarded them as trash? Wow I can’t even comprehend what SW family would be feeling if they have been reading the last few pages.....