GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #59

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  • #921
A lot of people have said some pretty horrible things. When I put myself in her place, whew!
I understand. I felt exactly the same way when people were here saying horrible things about Shanann. She lost her life. Her babies lost their lives. Her family will continue to suffer a lifetime of grief and not one of them did a damn thing to deserve it. If NK is embarrassed, perhaps she can eventually see the bright side. She's alive. She can move, change her name, her profession or whatever she needs to do. She can recover. MOO
 
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  • #923
A lot of people have said some pretty horrible things. When I put myself in her place, whew!
I am sure she is going through a tough time. You are a very empathetic person. The attention she is getting is a reaction to the discovery vs. her interview with The Denver Post and people are upset with the entire chain of events and feels she was lying. Once this dies down people will forget unless she puts herself in the limelight.
 
  • #924
What was the date they extracted the texts and search history from NK's phone?


She had deleted all content re Watts by the time she spoke to LE. If a warrant was needed they may still be waiting. Other than that no info I heard.
 
  • #925
True! I would imagine this is the case being the environment they were in, but do you know if relationships between co-workers is against company policy?

Whatever the employer policy, these kinds of relationships increase the chances of an employment practices liability claim against the employer.

These kinds of relationships often don't work out. One party can get mad and make a claim of harassment, claim they weren't promoted because of the affair, etc.
 
  • #926
i don't know why ml popped into my mind, i could have said Donna Rice or trumps 2nd wife.....chasing a married guy or agreeing to be "caught", a story as old as the hills. Ppl make choices, and are rewarded or burned. I made my own mistakes, too. With nk i am sure she'll be alright. Few think she had anything to do with the murders, i sure don't.
No me either. I see no indication in searches or messages that she had any clue.

ETA: Or should that be "inclination"...
 
  • #927
I understand. I felt exactly the same way when people were here saying horrible things about Shanann. She lost her life. Her babies lost their lives. Her family will continue to suffer a lifetime of grief and not one of them did a damn thing to deserve it. If NK is embarrassed, perhaps she can eventually see the bright side. She's alive. She can move, change her name, her profession or whatever she needs to do. She can recover. MOO
You were one of Shanann's biggest supporters, knocking out outrageous claims with FACTS! Yep, NK is alive and will recover.
 
  • #928
CW told LE that she made about the same amount of money that he did, so it was not an unproductive endeavor. I apologize that I don't have a page reference, but I believe it's in the polygraph interview? MOO

ETA: Here is one reference from Pg 504 (Discovery pg 571) - "CHRIS said she made close to the same amount of money as he did."


She may have made as much but that number may not reflect her expenses. And I believe the perks such as trips are included as income if paid by employer v
 
  • #929
Let me begin by saying my following words are NOT DEFENDING CW or NK. I am just thinking about how everything came to this point.

After reading much of the Discovery document, I've concluded that CW acted out of weakness, fear, selfishness, and greed. To clarify, I think the decision to kill his wife and children because he was too weak and too fearful of what a divorce would entail. A weak man chooses to kill rather than face the upheaval of a divorce; he did not have the fortitude to face friends and family and his own children with his decision to leave. He would rather erase his wife and children--eliminating what he views as the obstacle to his new life and posing himself as a victim--a husband wronged by a wife who outrageously skipped town with his beloved children. With the false story of SW skipping town, others could look at him with sympathy. Had he divorced, he would have looked like the "bad guy."

Furthermore, I think he was fearful of having enough money to maintain the lifestyle he wanted with NK. I believe this also compelled him to choose murder rather than divorce. I believe he thought about the financial burdens associated with divorce--legal bills and child support payments--and he thought murder would be a way to simply do away with this and get money from their life insurance policies.

I do believe that he and NK were in the early stages of love/infatuation. I do believe that he would have dated her for a long time and perhaps even married her if he had simply divorced SW. It is so terribly sad. He and NK could have had a life together, and SW could have had the potential to find a new love of her own. And, those sweet baby girls could have grown up and had relationships of their own. The whole thing is tragic. All this sadness and loss because a man couldn't be strong and brave enough to bring a respectful, honest end to a marriage through divorce. Unreal.

I agree with much of this, except:

Weak, insecure, selfish, greedy, fearful people divorce all the time. Most don't even remotely consider murdering their own children, and pregnant wife.

"He and NK could have had a life together" - any person who has the capability of murdering their own flesh and blood, and disposing of them as he did, then going on w/life (until caught) as tho' nothing was out of the ordinary...cannot possibly have even a semblance of normal life, with anyone.

He has no heart. He is dead emotionally. He PRETENDS to be normal and have normal feelings, but only so that he can achieve his goals. He would NEVER have had a decent relationship. NK is incredibly fortunate that her time with him was relatively short.
 
  • #930
Whatever the employer policy, these kinds of relationships increase the chances of an employment practices liability claim against the employer.

These kinds of relationships often don't work out. One party can get mad and make a claim of harassment, claim they weren't promoted because of the affair, etc.
She could start her own business, go to graduate school, lots of avenues. She's only 30 iirc.
 
  • #931
Her real problem might be in securing a decent job. Not many in HR would be delighted about extending an offer to someone who has a documented history of having an affair with a married co-worker, IMO.
True, maybe at first. Hopefully this will make her a stronger, better person and she can speak to that when interviewing.
 
  • #932
There are text messages from her asking him if he is working things out and he answers that no, Shanann wants to separate. She is done. But Nichol told LE that she didn't believe it.

Have we seen these texts? I don't recall seeing them. She said they existed, but (please correct me if I am wrong), they are not in the released discovery.

However there are texts saying "I don't care, I am going to keep seeing you" and "are we bad people?"
 
  • #933
Guys! Can we talk more about Candace, CW's biggest fan? I'm pretty sure anyone who writes like that needs to go to a loony bin. Page 1361

It worries me that she has 2 young daughters. Very scared to imagine the types of people they could be vulnerable to.
 
  • #934
Again, I agree but I do think the majority of responsibility lies with the adulterer.
Yes, he is the one who whined about how mean his wife was, always putting her down in front of the kids, never let him be himself he wasn't allowed to hang a picture, etc. She didn't have to pretend or lie to him. He did all that. All she had to do was believe him and feel bad for him. She was easy to manipulate. She had a series of relationships where men treated her badly. She obviously had very poor judgement and very likely very low self esteem. I'm sure to him she was much easier to get than Shanann. Imo
 
  • #935
I agree that NK had no idea she would be thrust into the spotlight like this for having an affair with CW. I'm sure she had no idea the whole world would know about her. But having an affair with a married man who has a pregnant wife and 2 children is not going to end up being sunshine and roses. There's going to be big problems of one sort or another, murder not usually being one of them. (Although we have all seen enough Dateline, Snapped and ID channel to know it does happen often.) You can't have an affair with a married person and not expect a lot of drama and problems.
Right! And cheaters cheat.
 
  • #936
She could start her own business, go to graduate school, lots of avenues.


It broke my heart last night when someone posted that video of the family in the HS auditorium. SW said it might be the high school Bella and Cece go to if they still live in the area.

They didn't even get to start kindergarten :mad:

Moo
 
  • #937
True! I would imagine this is the case being the environment they were in, but do you know if relationships between co-workers is against company policy?
I have not heard. But in any company it is frowned upon, especially when one or both are married. Oil and gas is a pretty male dominated industry. And they were using company email to conduct said affair so she could have been fired for that reason alone.
 
  • #938
I missed a few threads. Has the name of the baby been discussed as in, whose idea was it?
 
  • #939
It does not appear that relationships between co-workers are prohibited (they are between officers and workers, and supervisors and their direct reports).

However there are guidelines that state relationships between general coworkers must be disclosed to HR. It's possible it's a breach if it is not disclosed.

Outlined on page 16 of the Code of Business Conduct and Ethics
 
  • #940
I have not heard. But in any company it is frowned upon, especially when one or both are married. Oil and gas is a pretty male dominated industry. And they were using company email to conduct said affair so she could have been fired for that reason alone.
IIRC, NK was a temporary employee, so Anadarko could let her go very easily without much explanation.
 
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