GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #59

[Allabouttrial]

It does not appear that relationships between co-workers are prohibited (they are between officers and workers, and supervisors and their direct reports).

However there are guidelines that state relationships between general coworkers must be disclosed to HR. It's possible it's a breach if it is not disclosed.

Outlined on page 16 of the Code of Business Conduct and Ethics

Thank you for looking into that!

 

[MsBetsy]

Have we seen these texts? I don't recall seeing them. She said they existed, but (please correct me if I am wrong), they are not in the released discovery.

However there are texts saying "I don't care, I am going to keep seeing you" and "are we bad people?"

I thought they were either texts or phone conversations. What was the context of the conversation when she said " I don't care" etc. I didn't see what was before them. Unlike him, she has a conscience. He never shows any signs of guilt. But I don't doubt that he lied about the marriage and told her Shanann wanted out. That was his story afterward to everyone. There were many statements Nichol gave that were consistent to what he told others. He wanted people to believe it was mutual. When LE discovered all the text messages between Shanann and her friends it told a very different story. He wanted everyone to believe otherwise, but did not count on Shanann opening up to her friends. Thankfully he did not anticipate a lot of things. Imo

 

[Jupiter05]

IIRC, NK was a temporary employee, so Anadarko could let her go very easily without much explanation.

Colorado is a "right to work" state so she could be let go without a reason.

 

[book-thinker]

Military deployment is an interesting thing. That there are many is a fact, but how many marriages are broken by them? We don't know, but probably, a certain amount. There may not necessarily be an affair with the coworker, but visiting sex industry workers when abroad? I am reading about it pretty often.

I have a history in my family when a couple had been separated for 4 years and the wife risked immensely by visiting the spouse (it was a military situation), "to keep the family together".

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[LAHOLLA]

It broke my heart last night when someone posted that video of the family in the HS auditorium. SW said it might be the high school Bella and Cece go to if they still live in the area.

They didn't even get to start kindergarten

Moo

I can barely look at pics of them. I just can’t fathom that this really happened to those precious girls and their mom who was so full of life. I can’t wrap my head around it

 

[Jupiter05]

It does not appear that relationships between co-workers are prohibited (they are between officers and workers, and supervisors and their direct reports).

However there are guidelines that state relationships between general coworkers must be disclosed to HR. It's possible it's a breach if it is not disclosed.

Outlined on page 16 of the Code of Business Conduct and Ethics

That is true. I live in Colorado and work for a company with only 20 employees. Any romantic relationships are required to be disclosed at my place of employment.

 

[JDough]

I'm not his family and I thought it was open discussion of the documents in here? I don't understand the whole situation, that's all. But I guess it's a witch hunt if I post some things some people don't like?

Hi CuriousCat-
It certainly is NOT a "witch hunt" if someone disagrees with any of your posts. I am sorry you feel that way. Two things come to mind........
#1- Many of the posters responding have been here since the very beginning. We have corresponded with (more than one) VI, friends of SW, and people who knew her from various support groups. We have discussed Facebook postings, and conversations others have had with SW. Nearly all have come to the conclusion that SW was a loving, caring person who would do anything to help those around her. #shinelikeshanann- she sparkled.
#2- WS is a victim friendly website. This means that SW, BW, CCW, and NW
cannot be blamed in any way for their deaths. They are not responsible for CW's actions. Period. He is the one who has been convicted of the crime.
Hope this helps- you can always start at the first thread to review the information we have discussed, as well as WS rules for participating (TOS).

 

[Allabouttrial]

I'm sure this has been noted already but I've only just released that NK's full name is 'Kessinger, Nichol Lee'. Babies name 'Niko Lee Watts'

 

[kiwilaura]

I thought they were either texts or phone conversations. What was the context of the conversation when she said " I don't care" etc. I didn't see what was before them. Unlike him, she has a conscience. He never shows any signs of guilt. But I don't doubt that he lied about the marriage and told her Shanann wanted out. That was his story afterward to everyone. There were many statements Nichol gave that were consistent to what he told others. He wanted people to believe it was mutual. When LE discovered all the text messages between Shanann and her friends it told a very different story. He wanted everyone to believe otherwise, but did not count on Shanann opening up to her friends. Thankfully he did not anticipate a lot of things. Imo

We don't know the context, but given NK said she only told one person in her life (Charlotte) I suspect it was in relation to her telling Charlotte that Chris was "separated" with children. Her comment was that "She's supportive, but it came up, because something similar happened when she was a kid" (paraphrasing), then followed by the "I don't care, I am going to keep seeing you" and then followed up with "are we bad people?". Totally my opinion, but that's what I am guessing - keen to hear theories of what others think that exchange might be about.

There is simply no evidence that I saw proving NK told CW to work on his marriage. It's just her word. Again please do correct me if I am wrong as it would change my opinion!

 

[DexterMorgan]

Yes, he is the one who whined about how mean his wife was, always putting her down in front of the kids, never let him be himself he wasn't allowed to hang a picture, etc. She didn't have to pretend or lie to him. He did all that. All she had to do was believe him and feel bad for him. She was easy to manipulate. She had a series of relationships where men treated her badly. She obviously had very poor judgement and very likely very low self esteem. I'm sure to him she was much easier to get than Shanann. Imo

Wow. When CW told her SW doesn't allow him to hang pictures up on the wall.

I was like is NK really believing this guy.

The kids weren't even in 1st grade and he was portraying problems of a 55 year old with 5 adult daughters all getting married next week and they expect for him to pay for the 5 weddings.

 

[rigsby2]

I think if I had to go into LE I'd be so stressed out I'd be confessing to the time I stole a candy bar with my friend when we were kids and rode off on our bicycles. I'd probably tell them more than they wanted to know. But I'm at core, an essentially honest person. Not perfect, but I come from an honest family. It just is.

Others are not essentially honest. And unfortunately, I think this is the case with NK. Not just because she had an affair with a married man. But because when she
went to LE, likely after a coworker had informed her the police knew about her, she had cleaned her text history, etc. So cooperation was a pretense. Was she there because she cared about CW's wife and kids? Meh, not from what we've now seen on the doc dump. She went to cover her own butt, she was looking out to protect NK.

LE saw right through her, they can spot a liar and she lied to them. We know she lied in her TV interview too (was she paid for that?). We know because the doc dump outed her. And I think that was done by LE on purpose, to prevent NK from profiting from this tragedy, in which she was not an innocent bystander.

And IMO, CW and NK were in lust, not love. He doesn't even know what love is..

 

[Not a Belle]

I haven't seen anything specifically saying that CW chose the baby's name. It's hard for me to imagine that, given that he didn't want the baby. JMO, but it seems more likely to me that Shanann chose it based on close friends of hers named some version of Nicole, or just because she liked it (I assume Lee was because it's also CW's middle name, jmo of course).

 

[Jupiter05]

Just reading this makes me cry. No sympathy for NK from my point of view. None. She knew he was married.

Frankly, I am MUCH more concerned about SW's family right now and what they are going through.

 

[MassGuy]

Frankly, I am MUCH more concerned about SW's family right now and what they are going through.

Exactly. They had to deal with not only the loss of their daughter/sister and her children, but they also had to deal with lies, vile commentary, and harassment.

CW did the killing, but his family took part in the character assasination.

There is no comparison between what they are going through, and the (partially) self inflicted damage sustained by NK.

 

[kiwilaura]

I haven't seen anything specifically saying that CW chose the baby's name. It's hard for me to imagine that, given that he didn't want the baby. JMO, but it seems more likely to me that Shanann chose it based on close friends of hers named some version of Nicole, or just because she liked it (I assume Lee was because it's also CW's middle name, jmo of course).

I suspect they would have discussed boys names at length during the first two pregnancies, before they found out the gender. It's just what newly expectant parents do. So it's possible Nico Lee was already top of the shortlist. I think it's a horrible coincidence that it's so similar to his AP's name. And a crazy coincidence that NK's middle name was the same as CW's!

MOO

 

[molly1255]

I agree that NK had no idea she would be thrust into the spotlight like this for having an affair with CW. I'm sure she had no idea the whole world would know about her. But having an affair with a married man who has a pregnant wife and 2 children is not going to end up being sunshine and roses. There's going to be big problems of one sort or another, murder not usually being one of them. (Although we have all seen enough Dateline, Snapped and ID channel to know it does happen often.) You can't have an affair with a married person and not expect a lot of drama and problems.

Many years ago, I knew of a young woman who started an affair with a married man. She was the pursuer. Everyone in the building I worked in knew about it - she bragged about it and thought it was funny. She felt it made her superior to his wife.

His wife happened to be a fairly well-connected attorney. She found out. The wife made a call to the right person and the girl was fired. She was then ran out of town on a rail. She ended up moving far, far away.

Funny thing is, the guy was no prize. He wasn't even good-looking.

 

[MsBetsy]

I haven't seen anything specifically saying that CW chose the baby's name. It's hard for me to imagine that, given that he didn't want the baby. JMO, but it seems more likely to me that Shanann chose it based on close friends of hers named some version of Nicole, or just because she liked it (I assume Lee was because it's also CW's middle name, jmo of course).

Yes, I don't think he cared one way or another about a name. Knowing him it just doesn't seem like the kind of thing he would think about. He doesn't seem to have much of an imagination. If anything he likely would have suggested "Christopher." I think she probably picked all the names. Imo

 

[book-thinker]

True, maybe at first. Hopefully this will make her a stronger, better person and she can speak to that when interviewing.

Most HR departments worry about lawsuits.
Unlikely this case will not be brought up.
If she was good at her job , which I believe she was, it shouldn’t effect her career.
Environmental analysis is a
highly demanded field to work.
Sorry how this is looks , using my iPhone

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, I don't think he cared one way or another about a name. Knowing him it just doesn't seem like the kind of thing he would think about. He doesn't seem to have much of an imagination. If anything he likely would have suggested "Christopher." I think she probably picked all the names. Imo

I agree. He would have gone with absolutely anything she suggested, as he couldn’t care less about that sort of thing.

It’s probably a good thing, as he probably would have gone with the character of his favorite tv show. Barney.

 

[NanZDrew]

True! I would imagine this is the case being the environment they were in, but do you know if relationships between co-workers is against company policy?

Depends on the company, and that company's policy. I'm sure it also depends upon whether or not it interferes with whether you are doing your work or making goo-goo eyes with your colleague.

This illicit relationship definitely cost Anadarko alot of expense. Just needing a confined entry team and supplied air to go into those tanks most likely cost at least $50,000 per tank. I have to hand it to Anadarko. They handled this situation as well as it could be handled IMO.