GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #60

[Best of What's Around]

It is so telling to me that, for the very first time being able to tell ANYONE about "what happened' that night...CW never says to his father...WHY, WHY did she do this? I would be saying that over and over. I would be saying I never saw it coming - I should have seen it. Why did I go downstairs? All the things an innocent person would be repeating. His first articulated thoughts instead are "I'm sorry" and "This is the last time I will ever see the light of day." How anyone can believe this sub-human will always confound me. It is amazing to me that his father does not completely break down. He is not a mess. This is a day of watching and listening to people I can never understand. I have listened now to NK, CW, and RW...and from none of them do I hear any grieving/heartbreak/desperation for answers at least for the murder of children. This case never ceases to blow my mind. MOO

 

[KALI]

Yes. I agree with you 100%.
To me, it is like two people who cared about sex life over anything and anyone.
a perfect storm heading at a bewildered Shanann.
I SO feel for Shanann's loved ones hearing about all of this.
They loved and trusted this piece of.

She sounds “hard” to me. I’m really surprised, I was expecting a more delicate/feminine/sweet voice and feel from her. Somewhat irrelevant, she just does not sound as I expected her to.

She sounds “hard” to me. I’m really surprised, I was expecting a more delicate/feminine/sweet voice and feel from her. Somewhat irrelevant, she just does not sound as I expected her to.

 

[Gingerbread7]

No, don't think so. Didn't she say that she told him she didn't want to talk to him again until his family was "found" unless she used a different word at the time she said it. Does anyone know when she sent that text and what it said?

Well his family was “found”

 

[Gardenista]

At one point Ronnie just says " Good God Almighty, son".
What else could you say?

He's calm, cool and collected

 

[KALI]

Could it be this crazy?
He found a woman who was willing to give him anal sex?
Therefore be really wasn't homosexual?

 

[Best of What's Around]

Those investigators sure hot-footed it back in the room once the prospect of getting a good lawyer started being mulled. All fair. I just feel badly for that woman who felt the need to rub his back and give him comfort. As I said, these people are amazing professionals - and I could never, ever do their jobs. Unsung heroes. IMO

 

[PommyMommy]

They put the real whole confession up now. The previous one was 24 minutes - this one is 1:59

Just jumping off your post zea mays. What does everyone hear Mr. Watts say at 41:15? It sounds to me like, "You really think this is gonna work?" I've listened to it several times and that's the best I can make out. Help! MOO

 

[kittycat3]

Great pick up! How did she know 'that girl was always on her phone!' Was she stalking Shanann? This is getting crazier and crazier!

You guys, come on. She heard it from CW.

 

[PommyMommy]

These professionals got up for work and had no f’ing idea. The thief hatch is 8” and little Celeste was measured at 9 1/2 width. Why should any of us know such a sick thing? Bella was dropped into a tank with only 1.5 feet of oil. He didn’t hear a different splash sound - he heard his child hit the bottom and bang around. I can’t imagine the sound. And he laughed & joked around with his coworkers when they questioned why he was dressed so sloppy. Within feet. Within an hour! He made his coworkers have this in their minds forever. With his entire dead family surrounding them.

I’m not religious and don’t believe in evil but if I did, I’d make him the president

Where did Celeste's measurement come from? And, all reports I've seen have said the tanks were nearly full or almost full. Please provide a link. TIA MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Those investigators sure hot-footed it back in the room once the prospect of getting a good lawyer started being mulled. All fair. I just feel badly for that woman who felt the need to rub his back and give him comfort. As I said, these people are amazing professionals - and I could never, ever do their jobs. Unsung heroes. IMO

Yup. These people are likely parents themselves, and they found themselves in a tiny room with evil personified.

They were methodical, calm, and never lost their composure. They did what they had to do, and did it tremendously well.

 

[KALI]

In my opinion. Good.
Again in my opinion, this woman, is seriously screwed up.
Let me put it this way.
Never, would she be a friend of mine.
That is all

I think the psychologists opinion of the reasoning for some of Nickols behavior is accurate. They state that we have to consider that she is likely experiencing an extraordinary amount of shame and guilt and probably blames herself for the murder. She will likely punish herself for the rest of her life. It has to have a tremendous effect on her. Imo

 

[Gardener1850]

I just got to the crying part in the NK interview and had to pause and comment. Did anyone else find it strange that she kept repeating how little the girls were size-wise, yet she said she had never seen them before nor met them? I understand most people can guesstimate based on their pictures and knowledge of other children they know and Bella and CeCe seem to have been average sized 3 and 4 year old girls. It just seems like a weird thing to focus on their size (not their age nor the loss of their lives and loss of their future) as the reason to cry if she had never seen them before. She literally says "they were this big"... And her crying sounded fake.
MOO.

 

[Best of What's Around]

Just jumping off your post zea mays. What does everyone hear Mr. Watts say at 41:15? It sounds to me like, "You really think this is gonna work?" I've listened to it several times and that's the best I can make out. Help! MOO

I don't know, but he sure did say that he thought CW had told SW BEFORE that he definitively wanted a separation.

He also does not at all seem surprised by the mention of an affair. I guess CW had already told his family this.

 

[katydid23]

She was careful. She said something to the effect of “right now.”

I’ve found a couple deleted accounts, Facebook and Google.

And she didn't need to have her own working FB account, in order to look at Shannans. I am sure she had a friend or 2 who could look it up for her as well.

 

[NuttMegg]

You guys, come on. She heard it from CW.

When she said the "girl" was always on the phone it dawned on me that she did watch SW's fb videos.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

I just got to the crying part in the NK interview and had to pause and comment. Did anyone else find it strange that she kept repeating how little the girls were size-wise, yet she said she had never seen them before nor met them? I understand most people can guesstimate based on their pictures and knowledge of other children they know and Bella and CeCe seem to have been average sized 3 and 4 year old girls. It just seems like a weird thing to focus on their size (not their age nor the loss of their lives and loss of their future) as the reason to cry if she had never seen them before... And her crying sounded fake.
MOO.

I know people will use words like little/big in replace of age so maybe that's what she meant. Young = little. However, I agree with the crying. It seemed like it was possibly genuine for like 15 seconds and then bam, she's completely recovered and talking a mile a minute again enthusiastically. It's very odd.

 

[MsBetsy]

I will say I was a bit shocked about a picture of NK that was shown on the early news here. While among the tamest it was still racy enough to show what was fueling the affair.

On a different note, I can't help but wonder if she's feeling a sense of betrayal that they have been released since she thought LE was only after the actual words between them. Poetic justice of sorts?

Yes, I'm sure she feels betrayed. They lulled her into a false sense of security after she said she didn't want them all over the news. They said they were only interested in conversations with Watts about Shanann and the kids. She claimed they would not help the investigation, and I think she was right. They had plenty of evidence.

 

[MassGuy]

And she didn't need to have her own working FB account, in order to look at Shannans. I am sure she had a friend or 2 who could look it up for her as well.

There is not a snowball’s chance in hell that she never visited her page.

It’s absolutely inconceivable.

I’ll bet she did it regularly, especially after things started heating up.

 

[esayer]

What.
Despicable.
From a married man, with a pregnant wife and 2 toddlers.

GROSS!!!!!! Eweweweweweweewewew gag gag gag

 

[book-thinker]

Well that is the end of the plate of spaghetti I was trying to eat over my keyboard.

Finished my pizza dinner few hours ago, what a way to lose your appetite. Yuck!