GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #65

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  • #181
It makes her a smart business woman who like million of others, go to social media to sell a product. It is no different from a commercial enticing you to buy a product. Do you want someone to post to social media all their troubles, financial standings, problems.

There are numerous kinds of these jobs that men and women embark on as a career. She was highlighting what the product can/could do through her social media account. There are always though select ones who think people's social media pages are fairy tale, happy, no problem life...because some decide to display the good not bad.


Exactly! Is Taco Bell going to sell tacos and burritos by saying “may cause sewer gas and watery eyes?” No! Taco Bell is all about “Crunchy! Fun! Yum! Get some!”

MOO!
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  • #182
NK wasn't asked about Jim in the first place, was she? She was such a motor mouth, going off on tangent after tangent, why did she bring him up at all?

I think her dad actually brought Jim up first. The reason he got mentioned was because LE was asking NK what she did Sunday night. She had trouble recalling that info at first and her dad prompted her about Jim. Because she was at home Sunday night and Jim was there staying with her. So Jim could have confirmed her alibi and confirmed that she had nothing to do with the murders. But she refused to give his last name. Which of course makes no sense, as LE could get it anyway from her phone records. JMO.
 
  • #183
If the WI DOC is able to place CW in a “job” he could start @ .05 per hour. @.40 per day, restitution is gonna take a lot of life sentences.

Well heck, he does get to live on site, meals & laundry provided, free health & dental.
 
  • #184
You'll never believe it, but actually experts and professionals have already been studying "these tragedies" for decades now, and even have a pretty darn good idea of what the "commonalities" and causes are. There are thousands of books, studies, scholarly articles, and popular articles already published on exactly this subject. Many Websleuthers have posted links to some of the best of this information. You should really take a look.

Because guess what?

These are NOT "toxic relationships that erupt into murder." These are psychopaths, sociopaths, narcissists... ABUSERS. And to contradict a favorite myth of misogynists the world over, no, abuse victims do not "bring it on themselves." And no, FAs don't annihilate whole families because they were bullied and nagged by their meanie wives and "the mouse roared." If they were really so cowed, wouldn't they just pack a bag and disappear into the night? This whole fairytale scenario pushed by incels and MRAs simply does not hold up to logic or basic Psych 101.

Oh and yes, a man who kills two precious preschoolers who call him their hero and stuffs them into crude oil tank hatches and strangles a pregnant wife desperate to make him happy and save her family in her sleep is the very definition of THE DEVIL.

And I have serious questions about any hypothetical person who could empathize with him or would defend him.

Where is the vomiting emoji when you need it ?!

Yesterday, in a sentencing trial in the Rohde case, you will be very interested to hear, what the Psychiatrist stated, in defending the MURDERER.
This is a PROFESSIONAL, IN COURT.
Please check this out.
Those following the case, were in shock.
MOO.
 
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I think her dad actually brought Jim up first. The reason he got mentioned was because LE was asking NK what she did Sunday night. She had trouble recalling that info at first and her dad prompted her about Jim. Because she was at home Sunday night and Jim was there staying with her. So Jim could have confirmed her alibi and confirmed that she had nothing to do with the murders. But she refused to give his last name. Which of course makes no sense, as LE could get it anyway from her phone records. JMO.
Just as well her dad was there to remind her that she had been to a museum with him (dad) and Jim stayed the night on Sunday.
 
  • #187
And further
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Behavioral and Psychic Characteristics

Their behavior tends toward being glib, shallow, egotistical, narcissistic, mundane, predatory, and materialistic. Sometimes these traits are camouflaged by a polished social exterior, but anyone with a discerning eye can see through the disguise. They lack individuality, independent thinking, and are strongly biased toward holding a herd mentality. They lack comprehension of anything beyond the material sphere of the five senses, and have no interest in such metaphysical matters except as flashy accessories to boost their social image. They also appear entirely incapable of empathy, soul-searching, and willful self-sacrifice. Nevertheless, in the presence of others they can put on a flashy show of concern, distress, or altruism for purposes of social manipulation; for example, crocodile tears to elicit sympathy, or doing something nice for another solely to guilt trip them later and extort a favor.

Psychically scanning their consciousness reveals something interesting. There is a certain simplicity, flatness, and inertness to their essence, even if their intellects are highly developed. Unlike other people, their conscious energy is more diffuse, dull, impermanent, and amorphous rather than solid, sparkling, crystallized, and concentrated. Put another way, their minds are like sand castles instead of real castles. There is something animalistic and rudimentary piloting their bodies. It seems they have conscious awareness just as plants and animals do, but not conscious self-awareness as humans are supposed to have. There is an important difference between awareness and self-awareness.
 
  • #188
He is not connected to the case, other than to say he was with her. If it comes out that he lied, or was somehow involved in the case other than "alibi", I'm sure we'll hear more later. But for now, why should his personal info. be released?

He was her alibi. This means they spoke about him. What they spoke about during the interviews was then public information. And STILL, I don’t recall seeing this man’s last name in the discovery. Do you?
 
  • #189
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  • #190
IMO her life has not been destroyed.
I agree. Her life hasn't been destroyed, but the lives of Shannan, Bella, CeCe and Nico sure have. Now that's destruction!
 
  • #191
You have missed the point.

This is about the PERSONAL DATA of those who, as far as we know, are NOT EVEN PERTINENT TO THE CASE being made public. NK's "friend" Jeff, whoever he is, and as far as we are currently privy too, has already been tracked down.

Now, if this guy is just a friend, and has NO BEARING ON THE CASE, and is not a witness, but is just some guy who happened to know NK - why is his personal data released??

That has NOTHING to do with the gov't. being beholding to the public. Zero.

It’s because her phone records are evidence in a murder case. And that evidence is now public record. We have laws to protect our privacy, but there are then laws that trump those laws, if that makes sense.

It’s just the way it is. Justice has to be transparent for the people to have faith in the justice system. This is the evidence they have, thus it’s released upon request.

Someone in the last thread mentioned the raunchy photo of NK. That was included because CW is in the mirror of that photo, therefore it is evidence of their relationship, and of the nature of that relationship.

I understand why it’s uncomfortable, but I also understand the necessity of transparent justice, which trumps my right to privacy. This isn’t the only case with a document dump like this, I remember feeling bad for Michelle Carters friends who had a lot of personal info exposed.
 
  • #192
Yesterday, in a sentencing trial in the Rohde case, you will be very interested to hear, what the Psychiatrist stated, in defending the MURDERER.
This is a PROFESSIONAL, IN COURT.
Please check this out.
Those following the case, were in shock.
MOO.

Link please?
 
  • #193
Or what ever happened to Amber Frey?

Nah, afraid you can't spin this one. She didn't ask what happened to her. She wanted to know how much money she made and "did people hate Amber Frey?"
Obviously with a view to making some $$$ herself.
 
  • #194
Just one of the reasons why I think he's either incredibly naive/dumb, and/or a serious narcissist.

He believes his own lies, and expects others will also.
I don't think he's a narcissist or believes his own lies. He's just trying "to get it on" with the investigators because he underestimated their tactics and abilities to detect crime. These people do it for a living, they aren't amateurs. He doesn't get that they've been watching his reactions since the 1st minute. He's just naïve - living in a fools paradise. All Shan'anns things were at home - she couldn't have left on her own - but Chris won't acknowledge it. I'm at tape 7 - the denouement. He's confronted with his lies & will accept in a few minutes that he's done for. Praise for the cops!
 
  • #195
I don't think any normal rational thinking person will ever understand fully why CW did what he did. It was totally unnecessary, and had nothing to do with his wife and children,who were a victim of a totally irrational person who had no moral compass. IMO
 
  • #196
He was her alibi. This means they spoke about him. What they spoke about during the interviews was then public information. And STILL, I don’t recall seeing this man’s last name in the discovery. Do you?

I believe his phone number is listed as Jim in NK's cell phone records, no? Part of the doc dump?

And someone else here already stated that they found him, via that phone number. I am assuming "found him" includes his last name, although I don't know what his last name is.

But, that, again, is not the point.

Someone's personal phone number is part of this doc dump. Granted, the phone number of certain witnesses, that is to be expected. But an alibi? Doesn't sit right with me, particularly when you realize how many screwballs are out there just looking for ways to harass others, particularly others involved in well-known cases. NOT saying that the individual who claims to have found the guy would do that, but many others might. Look what's happened with the CW fan club, they are doing everything in their power to slander SW's entire family. Screwballs with access to private info., let't not give them more via legal means in "doc dumps."
 
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He was her alibi. This means they spoke about him. What they spoke about during the interviews was then public information. And STILL, I don’t recall seeing this man’s last name in the discovery. Do you?
I think if this had of gone to Trial he would of probably had to testify in court as to NK's whereabouts at the time, but IANAL so don't know for sure?
 
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BBM
Unless you're giving him room to think or miss his family. Unfortunately, he didn't think logically or miss his family. He thought about how much he loved being free and wild. imo
No. Give a man too much rope, and he’ll hang himself.
 
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