GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #66

[Mellowmelly]

I still don't understand why NK lied to the police and said she didn't know about the kids for a while and didn't know about the pregnancy. CW was "honest" with her about being married with kids and she said she appreciated it and she essentially says she would keep his secret that he had been flirting with her. CW also says he will keep their conversations between them. Even though NK expresses wanting a beautiful life like CW has and it seems like she was backing off-- putting CW in the friendship zone, etc, I think these two reached an understanding very early on that they would have an affair and be discreet about it-- in other words lie like crazy if caught in the affair. It would all be just between the two of them. They moved to texting after the emails. I don't see how NK thought it would not come out that she knew since the beginning about SW and the children. It's like she was more concerned about what LE would think about her for knowingly having an affair than she was about helping them in a quadruple murder investigation.

Oh definitely I agree, it’s all about appearances not concern for SW or the girls, I think NK and CW are both narcissistic.

 

[Tortoise]

Agreed. That man could get me to confess to my deepest, darkest secret (which at this moment is eating the last cookie in the cookie jar, lol). His voice is so calm and strong at the same time. He has such amazing patience as he knows CW is sitting there lying to him for hours. I love it when he finally tells CW that his story sounds a pile of horse crap (paraphrased).

Hehe. I remember reading that CW told the Thayers that interview with Coder was like being interviewed by 3 people.

 

[Tortoise]

double post

 

[nanwv]

The part where they had the silent stare down, eyeball to eyeball, had me shoveling potato chips in my mouth by the handful.

 

[Tortoise]

The part where they had the silent stare down, eyeball to eyeball, had me shoveling potato chips in my mouth by the handful.

I wish we could've seen his face.

 

[gitana1]

Agreed. Not once did he do a Google search about how to find a divorce lawyer, how to get a divorce in Colorado, child custody in Colorado, etc. All his Google searches were related to his girlfriend. He never ever intended to divorce her but he clearly intended to be rid of her.

I think he was waiting on a window of opportunity i.e. a need to drive out to a site just like Cervi 319 that was remote, would be shut down soon, and whose tanks had recently been emptied and cleaned so no need to do that again anytime soon. When the opportunity came up he pounced on it. Or actually created the leak himself knowing he’d be called out to fix it.

He was so checked out of the marriage he didn’t remember there were two important events in the morning that Shanann would never miss: her OB/GYN appointment, and Bella‘s first day of kindergarten.

My guess is he was planning to return to the house in the afternoon, and come in through the back where he could sneak in unnoticed bc there were no neighboring security cameras and most of the houses were empty and waiting to be sold. Grab Shanann’s phone, drive her Lexus to a bridge or something and stage a double murder-suicide that everyone would of course believe without question because she was “bipolar.”

I mean he’s a supreme dumb dumb who would never have gotten away with it, but once again—and louder for the people in the back—thank the gods for her friends who got the police on the scene before he could get back to stage anything.

BBM.

That's a brilliant bit of deductive reasoning! It's true. Where are all the searches about divorce and divorce lawyers and custody and support? Despite strongly insisting to his girlfriend that they were divorcing?

 

[Gardener1850]

Oh undoubtedly she knew. But seeing she had some full on involvement with CW, her mind was probably trying to sort through all the information and how it would all go down for her too. So i think she was definitely in CYA mode and trying not to incriminate herself in any way.

So I guess it just boils down to she was panicking and she's not very smart? She thought she could hide the truth from the FBI and make herself look a little better and that lie about what she knew and when she knew it would not matter? Fortunately for NK they were not interested in go after her for lying about those things. Unfortunately for her, those attempts to CYA ended up putting a cloud of suspicion over her in the public's mind. It did the opposite of what she wanted to achieve. Because people who are innocent of murder don't usually lie about their connection and interactions with the person suspected of murder. I don't think she had anything to do with the murders but it really looks bad and is confusing to me why she would lie at that point. JMO.

 

[SammiSleuthing]

Last night I spent a lot of time looking at CW video's with police from the POV of body cams, reading endless text messages to his girlfriend, reading SW text messages to CW and her friends, watching SW happily facebook stream, reading unsealed affidavits, etc.

I'm not going to lie, friends. I spent too much time on it. Enough that I had to step back and just...stop and think why. What has gripped me about this case. Since you are here and reading this, too, I assume you can relate to some degree, if not completely.

Yes, there is a mystery to be solved, initially. But, let's face it. This has happened before, this type of ghastly crime. Pregnant women murdered, families annihilated, side women/mistresses, lies, deception, ultimate betrayal. We've heard the Scott Peterson comparisons, in particular, ad nauseam. But there are others. "Perfect" families with a psychopath in the midst.

Chris Watts isn't the first nor will he be the last. There will be more innocent victims.

So after long reflection, this is what I came up with. Beyond the obvious (perfect on the outside, his affairs, financial strains, on the inside)....

I don't remember a case where so much information was released. You don't need to imagine anything. It's all there for you to watch.

I am nowhere close to getting through this avalanche and never will. I rely on you to summarize it for me. Just watching the video's I described.....SW video's, CW watching his neighbors security cam video and his nervous reaction, her friend and the wellness check all caught on police body cam, the interview with parents, HIS interview with the media, I'm just going to stop. The only thing missing is, thank GOD, the murders themselves. It is so thoroughly all encompassing I wouldn't be surprised if they drop that next. Baby monitors capturing it? No, I know that won't happen, but please understand my point...

We, you and I and people all over the world who have an interest in it, are living through this case more so than any other I've ever experienced. Even chatty Jodi Arias, and her need to talk and talk and talk to the media, doesn't compare.

If you want to walk through a case, beginning to end, this is your case.

But be warned. At some point, it gets to you. This isn't the standard interrogation and sentencing they release. This is EVERYTHING, including home video's at length.

So I closed my laptop and felt sick. And wanted to cry, to be honest. Because this is evil and we are all walking through it.

Perhaps sometimes what starts out as an understandable strong sense for a need of justice can take you down a dark, ghastly rabbit hole you do not want to go down.

No judgement, please understand. I'm here, right with you. I just needed to vent about this case.

Thanks for reading.

 

[gitana1]

I believe it's the interview with CW and the LE officer in the blue dress shirt where that officer says his theory is CW killed the children first, then SW. CW's response was he's not a monster, he didn't hurt his kids. (Not a direct quote, going from memory, he sort of stammered during his response.) I don't recall a direct question about the children, just this officer presenting his theory to CW, but then I haven't watched all of the interviews.

I notice how he can barely say the word "kill" when he says, "I'm not a monster. I did not...kill my children."

He practically swallows up the word and his voice drops in volume quite a bit on just the word "kill".

 

[scdiv]

The investigators had not seen a letter but that doesn't mean there was no letter. I think there was one and it didn't help his case so the family never passed it on to the police. If there was a letter they probably thought it showed premeditation and the Watts family were certainly not about helping to convict their son.

Here is the reference to the Watts family talking about the letter that supports their contention that SW was unstable.

'Not a monster': Chris Watts' parents defend son who murdered family

about 1:50

 

[dixiegirl1035]

They needed to keep him talking. Pushing too many buttons at once could have caused him to clam up. MOO

Exactly, they wanted to focus on just his wife and not shame him for what he did to the children at first to make him start talking.

It really is amazing now looking how they did pull out from him a confession.

I've never followed a case and seen such so quickly to understand the psychological way that they did it. I have watched that interview four times and learned so much each time.

And yes, I agree, with somebody else who mentioned it, about the sweater with the stripes. It was psychological (and someone said it was ugly, even though it was just like a sweater that I have that I think is beautiful LOL)

They're soft non-judgemental voices throughout the things, the non-confrontational that they had on what they knew he was lying about, was amazing. They never challenged him on his lies Until the End. Amazing!

 

[Jessthinkin]

It blows my mind. He actually believes he can fool the FBI.

I noticed how many times he uses the phrase "those girls" and "these girls".... I'm a teacher and often refer to my students as "my kids".... it sounds very cold to call your own missing toddler girls "those kids"....

 

[pinkie60]

read the prison booklet issued to the new inmates in wisconsin prison. I think CW stays there for a while for admitting and is then transferred to yet anther prison. There is a regulation for everything from soup to nuts. It's really harsh They are even timed for meals, they have 15 minutes to eat and 5 minutes to shower. no special meals ever I read somewhere ( not in this booklet) prisons are not obligated to give out holiday meals.
They have psych counseling at first. I suppose he will take it a day at a time, how else could you get through it.
His family will have a hard time. will have to travel to Wisconsin from north Carolina to visit unless they move to Wisconsin.
He'll probably be a model prisoner and I wouldn't doubt if he marries some fool behind bars

 

[Jessthinkin]

"Some of the pictures weren’t CeCe, though... that bothered me..." Jessthinkin

NUA said during her interview, that one of the pictures was of her daughter, and she was very upset. Contacted the press and demanded they stop using and remove it.

That is upsetting.... did a picture of NUA's daughter get put in Friday's 20/20 special? Really hoping not...

 

[gitana1]

Last night I spent a lot of time looking at CW video's with police from the POV of body cams, reading endless text messages to his girlfriend, reading SW text messages to CW and her friends, watching SW happily facebook stream, reading unsealed affidavits, etc.

I'm not going to lie, friends. I spent too much time on it. Enough that I had to step back and just...stop and think why. What has gripped me about this case. Since you are here and reading this, too, I assume you can relate to some degree, if not completely.

Yes, there is a mystery to be solved, initially. But, let's face it. This has happened before, this type of ghastly crime. Pregnant women murdered, families annihilated, side women/mistresses, lies, deception, ultimate betrayal. We've heard the Scott Peterson comparisons, in particular, ad nauseam. But there are others. "Perfect" families with a psychopath in the midst.

Chris Watts isn't the first nor will he be the last. There will be more innocent victims.

So after long reflection, this is what I came up with. Beyond the obvious (perfect on the outside, his affairs, financial strains, on the inside)....

I don't remember a case where so much information was released. You don't need to imagine anything. It's all there for you to watch.

I am nowhere close to getting through this avalanche and never will. I rely on you to summarize it for me. Just watching the video's I described.....SW video's, CW watching his neighbors security cam video and his nervous reaction, her friend and the wellness check all caught on police body cam, the interview with parents, HIS interview with the media, I'm just going to stop. The only thing missing is, thank GOD, the murders themselves. It's so thoroughly encompossing, I wouldn't be surprised if they drop that next. Baby monitors capturing it? No, I know that won't happen, but please understand my point...

We, you and I and people all over the world who have an interest in it, are living through this case more so than any other I've ever experienced. Even chatty Jodi Arias, and her need to talk and talk and talk to the media, doesn't compare.

If you want to walk through a case, beginning to end, this is your case.

But be warned. At some point, it gets to you. This isn't the standard interrogation and sentencing they release. This is EVERYTHING, including home video's at length.

So I closed my laptop and felt sick. And wanted to cry, to be honest. Because this is evil and we are all walking through it.

Perhaps sometimes what starts out as an understandable strong sense for a need of justice can take you down a dark, ghastly rabbit hole you do not want to go down.

No judgement, please understand. I'm here, right with you. I just needed to vent about this case.

Thanks for reading.

I've been saying something similar to my family and friends about my fascination with the case.

This is the very first case I've been a part of where we can see everything unfold in real time from the weeks leading up the murders (that brilliant chronological organization of all the discovery into one amazing and horrid narrative) and almost every second from the moments after he killed them.

It all unfolds in an unrelenting and fateful, almost slow motion march from murder to exposure to handcuffs in jail.

Because this is the first case of this nature where social media and texting and google have been as popular and used by the participants - it's a true "millenials" case - and the first case where mandatory body cams came into play.

The amount of footage is insane. I've never seen anything like it. This is the first time we can see and hear for ourselves the demeanor of the perp, instead of having it interpreted through testimony.

That's powerful.

It's a masterpiece of a true crime case, as awful as that is to say. But I think it's true.

I was just thinking that the reason the threads remain so popular after resolution is in part because we didn't have the satisfaction of discussing and viewing all this stuff during a lengthy trial, but also because we have so much stuff! More than I have seen in any case before this.

It's incredible. And it certainly does impact you. I've felt a creepy sense of hopelessness at times. Because we are witnessing the terrible march to an irrevocable decision and then the immediate consequences of that, in the aftermath. All those lives destroyed forever for absolutely nothing.

 

[Seenit]

I don't think that she is unattractive at all, but not as attractive as SW. I think for that photo, she had professional makeup, good lighting and maybe filters.

It's her moral "character" that makes her unattractive. jMO.

 

[JEM1975]

I don't know about you guys but whenever @MassGuy or @PommyMommy likes my post, I feel like a celebrity liked my post Everyone here is so smart and I love reading all of your insights. I think part of the reason I can't let this one go is because I don't know what I would do without my WS family every day

 

[NanZDrew]

Last night I spent a lot of time looking at CW video's with police from the POV of body cams, reading endless text messages to his girlfriend, reading SW text messages to CW and her friends, watching SW happily facebook stream, reading unsealed affidavits, etc.

I'm not going to lie, friends. I spent too much time on it. Enough that I had to step back and just...stop and think why. What has gripped me about this case. Since you are here and reading this, too, I assume you can relate to some degree, if not completely.

Yes, there is a mystery to be solved, initially. But, let's face it. This has happened before, this type of ghastly crime. Pregnant women murdered, families annihilated, side women/mistresses, lies, deception, ultimate betrayal. We've heard the Scott Peterson comparisons, in particular, ad nauseam. But there are others. "Perfect" families with a psychopath in the midst.

Chris Watts isn't the first nor will he be the last. There will be more innocent victims.

So after long reflection, this is what I came up with. Beyond the obvious (perfect on the outside, his affairs, financial strains, on the inside)....

I don't remember a case where so much information was released. You don't need to imagine anything. It's all there for you to watch.

I am nowhere close to getting through this avalanche and never will. I rely on you to summarize it for me. Just watching the video's I described.....SW video's, CW watching his neighbors security cam video and his nervous reaction, her friend and the wellness check all caught on police body cam, the interview with parents, HIS interview with the media, I'm just going to stop. The only thing missing is, thank GOD, the murders themselves. It is so thoroughly all encompassing I wouldn't be surprised if they drop that next. Baby monitors capturing it? No, I know that won't happen, but please understand my point...

We, you and I and people all over the world who have an interest in it, are living through this case more so than any other I've ever experienced. Even chatty Jodi Arias, and her need to talk and talk and talk to the media, doesn't compare.

If you want to walk through a case, beginning to end, this is your case.

But be warned. At some point, it gets to you. This isn't the standard interrogation and sentencing they release. This is EVERYTHING, including home video's at length.

So I closed my laptop and felt sick. And wanted to cry, to be honest. Because this is evil and we are all walking through it.

Perhaps sometimes what starts out as an understandable strong sense for a need of justice can take you down a dark, ghastly rabbit hole you do not want to go down.

No judgement, please understand. I'm here, right with you. I just needed to vent about this case.

Thanks for reading.

Totally get what you are saying. I have had to step away from this case several times.

I go off Websleuths altogether for periods of time or I can start feeling very depressed,

 

[MsBetsy]

Apologies if this has been discussed before. Something that I have been thinking a lot about... During the polygraph interview why did LE only question CW about the disappearance of SW and if he was responsible? Or if he was responsible for harming all of them & not just SW? I know hindsight is 20/20, but it appears they strongly suspected he was responsible for all of it. It's just bothered me why they didn't out right ask him if he harmed the girls as well.

Also I wanted to say, I was very impressed with the 20/20 program. It was very well put together. Sweet baby CeCe looked so much like Sandi.

The investigator explained that to him before the polygraph. She said the questions would only be about Shanann because one would assume that wherevever Shanann was, the girls would be with her. He responded by saying something like, "oh, so it's going to loop the girls in there too."

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I think when you originally printed that here (I think it was your post) you said the first line said 'I would never hurt myself, my children or my wife' because I posted a response saying he had put himself first in the list.

Yes, you are correct

 

[x_files]

Does she work primarily with a lot of men? She's one of the guys? Some men like these kinds of women, some not so much, maybe this was the first obvious difference between her and Shanann, who's a girly girl, and CW craved a change. Phfftt!

I like Paul Newman's quote about infidelity -
Why go out for burgers when you've got steak at home?

Chris is quite effeminate so it makes sense he liked NK's manish/tomboyish nature. Did we ever find out if he was dating or hooking up with men also online?