GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #66

[nanwv]

Oh but they HAVE.

I'd be happy to refresh your memory but I don't wish to shut down this thread or disrespect Tricia's rules and the mods.

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This is not a moo. Its a fact.

Don't forget to include derailing the thread, especially prior to MSM shows for high profile cases. This is a MOO.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Oh but they HAVE.

I'd be happy to refresh your memory but I don't wish to shut down this thread or disrespect Tricia's rules and the mods.

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This is not a moo. Its a fact.

THANK YOU FOR THIS.

 

[MsBetsy]

Jamie’s profile pic on the Bella blog looks more similar to the woman in the courtroom than other pics I’ve seen.

I wonder how old that picture is. If it was 10 years or so I guess I could see it.

 

[MyBelle]

Well is that still even still a possibility? But yes, i agree.

I hope it is a possibility especially if she tries to make money off this heinous crime.

 

[LAHOLLA]

I wonder how old that picture is. If it was 10 years or so I guess I could see it.

Yes, I’m not convinced it’s her but it’s closer.

 

[Karinna]

Whose to say that he didn’t sleep? This is the same guy who texted his mistress when his family was decomposing in dirt and oil.

The same guy who looked up Metallica lyrics right after dumping them.

The same guy who drank a protein shake as he was destroying evidence in his house.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he slept like a baby.

Well that's the problem with liars, others have to sort out the fact from the fiction to find some semblance of the truth.

 

[katydid23]

I genuinely don’t understand the point of this discussion.

None of the killers that we compare him to, needed drugs in order to kill their families.

His behavior absolutely doesn’t appear to be drug induced, nor influenced by drugs.

There is no actual evidence to support it either. Speculation is not evidence.

Even if he was doing drugs, it would make him no less culpable.

So I don’t get it.

By asking 'I wonder who supplied him with it' --it implies it was someone close to him to blame, once again.

 

[LAHOLLA]

I think part of the reason some people want to explore whether drugs were involved, etc., isn’t really to absolve CW of blame. I think it’s more that his actions seemed so far out of left field. He seemed like a normal guy but he committed this horrific crime. I think subconsciously we want to find what could turn a man into a monster because the reality is so unsettling.

 

[MCDRAW]

There was something in her car, on the passenger side floor next to the passenger door that he was extremely interested in as it is the first thing he did when he arrived home. He even got on his knees and you can see his arm extended as if he was running his hand along the floor of the car.

Then he disappeared into the house and he was in there much longer than it would take to go in and open the front door. I think he was trying to hide something that was in Shanann's car. Was it her cell phone? IDK, but we do know Shanann's cell phone contained very damning text messages against CW and he had deleted those text messages from his own phone. I think he would have had an interest in deleting those messages from Shanann's phone as well, but didn't have time earlier and hoped LE wouldn't find it.

JMO

He also didn't know her password.

 

[MassGuy]

By asking 'I wonder who supplied him with it' --it implies it was someone close to him to blame, once again.

That too. Great point.

He’s not responsible for his actions because he was taking drugs.

He’s not responsible for taking drugs because someone supplied him.

His drug supplier basically killed his family.

Of course his drug supplier doesn’t exist, as there is no evidence of drug use.

 

[esayer]

The witness to his behavior is NK. She found it concerning and it has absolutely nothing to do with SW.

It isn't normal to go days without sleep and it is my opinion CW was ingesting street drugs of some kind.

Well he was doing 2x the thrive patches, and the black ones too, the most potent.

 

[Karinna]

IMO, drugs don't cause a person to commit a crime but they can fuel it.
The person still decides to do it.
But some people that are mentally ill can commit a crime because of a psychosis, or a schizophrenic person that hears voices telling them that someone is an enemy that's after them, etc.
And CW as far as we know didn't have a mental break, or he wouldn't of acted so calmly after his heinous crimes of triple murder.

 

[Pasasana]

If it helps, my mom and I have nearly identical ones to what NK is wearing-and I don't even wear jewelry often. Those are insanely popular right now.

Can you show us a better photo of it? tia

 

[Jennifer17]

I agree. I think they were her "work in progress", but hadn't yet quite reached the heady levels of malice (for want of a better word) that she displayed.

Sissy was every bit as malicious as her mother. Also fooled a lot of people into SW bashing too.

 

[MassGuy]

Well he was doing 2x the thrive patches, and the black ones too, the most potent.

I still don’t think those patches do a damn thing.

It’s the placebo effect if anything.

Those ingredients are widely available in oral supplements, and many have no proven benefits.

In patch form, their effectiveness is especially dubious.

He could have been wearing 100 of those damn things, and I don’t think he’d behave any differently.

 

[esayer]

Do we know for sure that the ring was in the car? He went straight there before entering the house, at first I wondered if it was the key to the garage door or something.
If it was the ring I wonder why he wouldn't have removed it before he went downstairs. I don't get it.

I doubt her ring was in the car.

 

[Doghairrules]

Definitely! Coder could make millions in a career in sales, IMO. He "sold" a polygraph without CW even thinking about getting a lawyer. So thankful he chose a career in LE and he helped nail this bad boy. Same goes for Tammy. The CBI is fortunate to have them and so are the citizens of the state of Colorado.

I couldn’t agree more. and how they were able to listen to the murderer lie hour after hour without grabbing him by the collar and screaming at him is beyond me. My hat is off to them.

 

[mtnlites]

No poster here has tried to excuse CW's behavior especially considering he confessed to murder.
JMO

Oh yes, they definitely have.

 

[freyaflies]

I think people want to find a 'reason' (drugs, etc.) why CW murdered because they can only see things from their mindset. But CW has a different type of brain and he showed us exactly what he likes- and he enjoyed murdering. He sent the photo of a life sized girl doll wrapped in trash bags to SW before the murder. There was no reason to do that other than he wanted to savor what he was about to do. He lives to trick people and he liked being the one in control of a horrible secret, maybe he laughed at SW trying to figure out the photo of the way he would soon be killing their daughters and putting them in trash bags. He chose a lengthy, deliberate and personal way of killing -he could see and feel the life drain from them and had opportunities to change his mind but he finished. And, of course, consider his extreme display of 'duper's delight' on the front porch. He was enjoying himself. Maybe killing is something he has always wanted to do and he pushed it down until recently.
If drugs made him kill, like some on here are suggesting, once they wore off he would have experienced crushing regret, would have confessed voluntarily, would have been on his knees bawling, etc. But he wasn't - in fact he didn't display any signs of regret and he tried to blame everything on SW. I think he's always suppressed a desire to murder and that's why he overate, didn't let people close to him, etc., but then in 2018 his true self finally won out.

 

[Karinna]

I still don’t think those patches do a damn thing.

It’s the placebo effect if anything.

Those ingredients are widely available in oral supplements, and many have no proven benefits.

In patch form, their effectiveness is especially dubious.

He could have been wearing 100 of those damn things, and I don’t think he’d behave any differently.

He had been taking or using those products for a while didn't he?