GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #68

[MassGuy]

BBM. Respectfully, no poster here has made such an accusation. I gave it as a possible reason three agencies traveled to visit CW and I also provided links to other cases.

JMO

He is not obligated to talk to anyone, let alone law enforcement.

He is a grown man, capable of speaking on his own volition.

This is a rare opportunity to speak to a man as diabolical as he is, one who committed a crime that although rare on the whole, occurs far too often.

This is about closure, doing what is right for Shanann’s family, and learning from a monster.

I’m only surprised the FBI didn’t send their whole Behavioral Sciences Unit there.

 

[Colorfuel]

Too bad his own son doesn't want to honestly confide in him.

Good point, and I’d better shut up soon but will say just a few more things.

In a narcissistic family dynamic, where the kids even when grown function as narcissistic supply to the parents, at least in some cases the parents will inflate and misrepresent their kids’ abilities and deny their faults.

Anyone who’s ever been subjected to this will know how incredibly maddening and actually humiliating it is. Why isn’t the imperfect truth good enough? Why can’t the kids be loved for who and what they really are?

Chris may have had enough of his dad telling him as often as daily that they “know he didn’t kill the girls.”

I agree that there's a good reason for LE to travel to WI and speak to CW. In fact, I can think of a number of good reasons. Top of the list is that it's part of getting justice for the victim's and their family. The Rzucek's deserve answers and I hope it doesn't further their pain, but instead, gives them a little more closure. Not that I believe closure is ever possible after what CW has caused them to suffer, but some answers may be helpful.

Heck, even CW's own family said at the sentencing that they hoped he would give them answers someday. And, although this hasn't been reported as a "confession," I am hopeful; it makes sense in light of his recent meeting with the Rzucek's attorney. (See article posted by @Seattle1 back a page or two.)

ETA: The new information may also prove helpful in future research of family annihilator's.

Familicide - Wikipedia

• Watts family homicides, August 13, 2018, Frederick, Colorado; Chris Watts killed his pregnant wife, two daughters and unborn child.

MOO

I don’t know as much as many of you, but I’ve read enough about certain types of crime to know that agents, psychologists, journalists, and many other people do travel to prisons to get information from convicted criminals.

And sometimes incarcerated criminals will want to speak to specific LE agents they already formed a degree of trust with. Yes, the agents involved here got him to confess, but that doesn’t mean he sees them as his enemies. They had to connect with him to get the information they did, and the main emotional read I got from them was that they were sad, as the whole thing was a waste of so many lives. “It didn’t have to be this way, it shouldn’t have been” is how they came across.

All IMO of course.

 

[ab01]

He is not obligated to talk to anyone, let alone law enforcement.

He is a grown man, capable of speaking on his own volition.

This is a rare opportunity to speak to a man as diabolical as he is, one who committed a crime that although rare on the whole, occurs far too often.

This is about closure, doing what is right for Shanann’s family, and learning from a monster.

I’m only surprised the FBI didn’t send their whole Behavioral Sciences Unit there.

I think the assumption that there is a huge bombshell coming is misguided at best

CW has already confessed to these crimes.

They are interested in knowing the full details of the crime and CW thoughts leading up to it.

Its for closure for SW family and for Investigators to get a bit of insight of what makes a monster like CW tick.

Nothing more and nothing less IMO

 

[Colorfuel]

Although, oddly, I 'think RW said something recently to the effect of this is over and done with. Why should he talk any more, or something like that... (Does someone have easy access to his exact wording?) Makes it sound like RW doesn't want more information or a full confession, as asked for at sentencing, IMO

I don’t think it’s odd, and I think you’re right that RW doesn’t want more information. Dealing with reality is probably not a strong suit of this particular family, and in effect RW is saying he’d be more comfortable if he could please go on living in a fiction in which his son did not strangle / smother the life out of his little girls.

 

[MassGuy]

I think the assumption that there is a huge bombshell coming is misguided at best

CW has already confessed to these crimes.

They are interested in knowing the full details of the crime and CW thoughts leading up to it.

Its for closure for SW family and for Investigators to get a bit of insight of what makes a monster like CW tick.

Nothing more and nothing less IMO

Exactly! This from the Greeley Tribune yesterday:

“Sources close to the investigation say Watts has finally provided an accurate account of how the killings occurred.”

These are the original investigators in the case, people not inclined to believe him.

They apparently do.

That tells me that he told them things that paint him in a bad light.

That’s the only way they’d believe him.

No CW isn’t walking out of jail, just like his original plea wasn’t to lesser charges.

His fan club sickens me.

 

[MJPeony]

CW could have entered an Alford plea if he wanted to take up the “I didn’t really do it all” mantle/ if he felt coerced. (Alford plea maintains innocence in spite of evidence)

But he didn’t. He plead guilty on all counts. I don’t see how he could possibly defend having plead guilty under coercion when there was another option available to him that maintained his innocence.
JMO

 

[Colorfuel]

I think the assumption that there is a huge bombshell coming is misguided at best

CW has already confessed to these crimes.

They are interested in knowing the full details of the crime and CW thoughts leading up to it.

Its for closure for SW family and for Investigators to get a bit of insight of what makes a monster like CW tick.

Nothing more and nothing less IMO

I don’t think it needs to be a bombshell, especially as most of what happened is already clear.

But there is practically a cottage industry online of people continuing to bash SW and trying to take the blame off Chris Watts. There’s no way it can’t be taking a toll on her family.

The only thing I’ve continued to do regarding this case is to stomp on the SW bashers, and it’s really a whack-a-mole situation.

I’m hopeful that if CW provides even just a few more details clarifying that SW did not harm the girls, the Chris Watts fan club will be undermined.

 

[Colorado303]

BBM. Technically, CW was not convicted. He entered a plea of guilty and the judge accepted it.

The only reason I can see for the multiple agencies to visit him in prison is if they now have a concern his pleas may have been coerced. iow, was he threatened by someone during the investigation or at the jail.

The sale of the house is a civil matter and I'm not sure LE would get involved, let alone 3 agencies.

JMO

IF, big if, they were investigating NK’s potential involvement and considering prosecuting her it makes sense to me that all 3 agencies might go to talk to him. Purpose being to question him about her, and wind up walking out w/a full confession instead.

 

[ab01]

I think anybody who has watched that video of CW coming home and meeting the police officer and SW friend, should be able to get a good inkling about what CW is all about. I know its probably been beat to death as I had checked out after CW guilty plea. But I just got the sense that the original responding officer was already thinking, Man this guy is full of and he knows where his wife and children are.

 

[ab01]

BBM. Technically, CW was not convicted. He entered a plea of guilty and the judge accepted it.

The only reason I can see for the multiple agencies to visit him in prison is if they now have a concern his pleas may have been coerced. iow, was he threatened by someone during the investigation or at the jail.

The sale of the house is a civil matter and I'm not sure LE would get involved, let alone 3 agencies.

JMO

Coerced, Are you serious? I'm going to assume you are merely joking based on all the evidence that has been presented on this case. I don't know how else to take it....MOO

 

[bonjoviblonde]

I think the assumption that there is a huge bombshell coming is misguided at best

CW has already confessed to these crimes.

They are interested in knowing the full details of the crime and CW thoughts leading up to it.

Its for closure for SW family and for Investigators to get a bit of insight of what makes a monster like CW tick.

Nothing more and nothing less IMO

Yeah just like the last big bombshell CW's family, friends, and supporters were all excited and casually bragging about and it turned out to be CW confessing guilty to all 3 murders. Whoops!

 

[Bugurl747]

So the big news is CW is allegedly going to spill the beans?

Did CW have a come to Jesus moment?

I wonder if he met Big Bubba

 

[PommyMommy]

Yeah just like the last big bombshell CW's family, friends, and supporters were all excited and casually bragging about and it turned out to be CW confessing guilty to all 3 murders. Whoops!

Whoops is right! Didn't we also learn afterward that CW never even spoke to his family while he was in Weld County (with the exception of the visit just prior to his plea)? What a bunch of baloney.
MOO

 

[MassGuy]

So the big news is CW is allegedly going to spill the beans?

Did CW have a come to Jesus moment?

I wonder if he met Big Bubba

Ha! He’s almost certainly in isolation, so we ain’t that lucky in regards to “Bubba.”

It appears that the guy who strangled the life out of his wife and kids, is finally willing to reveal how it all went down.

I’m looking at it this way: The worse it makes him look, the more likely it is true.

 

[gitana1]

Yes. And the substantial evidence proved there was no coercion other than the FACTS disproving his prior vile claim he was not completely guilty. The evidence proves his guilt. Hence, no need nor likelihood of coercion. He is a family annihilator, no matter what he says. Can't argue with the facts. MOO.

Listen. Some had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the conclusion that this man and not his lovely wife, murdered their children. Despite all the evidence. Some are still going to resist that conclusion despite his clear guilty pleas - not no lo contenderé, which is indeed available in CO. Nope. Guilty on all counts. Pleas that he himself approached the state with after long consult with his attorneys.

Whether one pleads guilty or is found so after trial, the judge then issues a judgment against them convicting them of the crimes and they are sentenced, and if that sentence involves prison, they enter as convicts. Not as guilty OR as convicts. They're all convicts.

What is CONVICTED?
This term has a definite signification in law, and means that a judgment of final condemnation has been pronounced against the accused. Gallagher v. State, 10 Tex. App. 409.

What is CONVICTED? definition of CONVICTED (Black's Law Dictionary)

 

[ab01]

Listen. Some had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the conclusion that this man and not his lovely wife, murdered their children. Despite all the evidence. Some are still going to resist that conclusion despite his clear guilty pleas - not no lo contenderé, which is indeed available in CO. Nope. Guilty on all counts. Pleas that he himself approached the state with after long consult with his attorneys.

Whether one pleads guilty or is found so after trial, the judge then issues a judgment against them convicting them of the crimes and they are sentenced, and if that sentence involves prison, they enter as convicts. Not as guilty OR as convicts. They're all convicts.

What is CONVICTED?
This term has a definite signification in law, and means that a judgment of final condemnation has been pronounced against the accused. Gallagher v. State, 10 Tex. App. 409.

What is CONVICTED? definition of CONVICTED (Black's Law Dictionary)

Guilty...Guilty....Guilty!....Bam goes the gavel

 

[Bugurl747]

Ha! He’s almost certainly in isolation, so we ain’t that lucky in regards to “Bubba.”

It appears that the guy who strangled the life out of his wife and kids, is finally willing to reveal how it all went down.

I’m looking at it this way: The worse it makes him look, the more likely it is true.

I know, but a girl can dream, right!?

And I agree, let him continue to dig that cold shallow grave. I'll be sipping on shandy watching intently.

 

[gitana1]

CW knows truth doesn't matter to mommy/daddy, and they can spin as they have before by saying that CW was only improving his prison conditions!

True. Even though such a statement would have zero to do with his prison conditions.

 

[gitana1]

This guy is in some ways a simpleton, and in other ways complex.

It wouldn’t surprise me if even though he has something broken in him empathy-wise, he is still capable of some kind of intellectual empathy—and/or his wish to be seen as a “good guy” actually wins out here. Meaning that he believes a good guy confesses his sins, the way some churchgoers testify before the congregation, and he needs to do that to ease his internal strain.

Yes. Nothing is ever that black or white. It's all complex. Good post.

 

[gitana1]

That is exactly my question- i doubt he just talked- i think he did it to obtain extra freedom in prison- be it internet access or more yard time etc.

Can any of the VA maybe gitana tell us if it is likely they would offer anything for a full confession?

No. I'm not aware of anything like that. The prison system is also a totally separate entity and they have an intricate system to determine where and how inmates are housed.

There are some other posters who can speak more about that - how it works.