GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #70

[Best of What's Around]

Yes -- thanks for reminding us that CW is NOT "neurotypical."

SW was so open and gave us so much that we felt we knew these children and their personalities. I believe it's indisputable that the girls went to sleep Sunday evening with the promise that Mommy would be home from her three day trip when they woke up in the morning, and they could "barrel rush her," and cling, and squeal with delight -- just as we'd come to know of them.

The realization that they did not get to wake to Mommy greeting them has been as hard to accept as CW forcing them to take a 45 minute ride in his truck with Mommy dead on the floorboard, before he ended their precious lives.

Believing that CW killed the girls at the site, I'm posing the question: why would this not neuro-typical subject delay killing the children until later, when it seemed more convenient for him to murder them at home?

Why didn't CW take his adrenaline rush from strangling SW across the hall, and smother the children ?

Did CW think that in the event he was pulled over while driving, it would be easier to explain why he was transporting one dead body in his truck than to explain why he had three dead bodies in his truck?

I'd like your reasons for a later poll on why CW didn't kill the girls at home and/or kept them alive until arriving his Cervi worksite. I'll start it off, and please add your reasons....

1. Time constraint -- needed to get to work early before anybody else might show up.

2. Had planned on murdering girls in their sleep, Bella woke up, and he put it off a little longer thinking they would fall back asleep in the truck or to work up the courage to do it in a way he hadn’t planned.

 

[in search of]

I have so much hate for him left... I just see his "ugly" face, his "ugly" personality... I wish him the worst!!!

But I believe that Shannans' family is dealing with immense pain, they needed to find a way to survive this entire situation, without going insane due to this emotional burden. And hating somebody can take alot of resources from you. After all, CW is the only person "left" of the family they once knew and which was a big part of their lives. I wish them nothing but the best. There was already enough damage done to their hearts and their souls. Maybe it's their way to walk through this never ending nightmare.

Regarding the detectives: I felt disgust to be honest! But I also believe they are just doing their job, trying to "fool" somebody, giving him or her the feeling to be still a likeable person, so he or her can speak "freely", without the fear of being judged.

I think your reasoning is probably right, but hearing them joke and laugh with him was difficult. I honestly couldn't do it.

 

[IAMWAN]

From the beginning, I always thought the girls were still alive when she arrived home, and I still do. Whether he killed them at CERVI or home.. Not sure. Just because he stripped the bed doesn't mean he killed them there, but wouldn't he have had to strip the beds before he left for work since NUA noticed the sheets gone or bedding gone when they were looking around with the police (unless that's what was taking him so long to open the door to them).. I haven't heard the detail for myself about his conversations with Bella and how he killed them there. Seems risky to do that out there.. Even though he told people he had it handled, someone could still have showed up.

Either way, I still believe he killed her first and then the girls. And where did that blanket even go? He probably threw it out the window on the way back home.

IIRC, the girls' beds were unmade but not stripped. NUA noticed that their favorite blankets were missing. Since he wrapped SW in the sheet to move her, conceivably he could have stripped the bed at that time. I don't have a good enough grasp of the timeline and when things were discovered to even begin to guess the order in which he did all of his evil deeds and cover-up actions.

I also believe that, within the transcript of the latest conversation (I couldn't handle listening to the full audio) CW admits to taking the towels and his clothes and throwing them in a construction dumpster near his home before he went to meet the police and NUA there. Having been in that neighborhood before, there is a lot of development going on in that area and it is totally plausible, although it is surprising to me that all nearby dumpsters weren't checked. MOO.

 

[MsBetsy]

I have so much hate for him left... I just see his "ugly" face, his "ugly" personality... I wish him the worst!!!

But I believe that Shannans' family is dealing with immense pain, they needed to find a way to survive this entire situation, without going insane due to this emotional burden. And hating somebody can take alot of resources from you. After all, CW is the only person "left" of the family they once knew and which was a big part of their lives. I wish them nothing but the best. There was already enough damage done to their hearts and their souls. Maybe it's their way to walk through this never ending nightmare.

Regarding the detectives: I felt disgust to be honest! But I also believe they are just doing their job, trying to "fool" somebody, giving him or her the feeling to be still a likeable person, so he or her can speak "freely", without the fear of being judged.

I bet the detectives felt disgust as well.
Imagine how difficult it would be to sit down with him for hours and pretend to relate to him and sympathize with him, laughing at times.
Part of their job is to put on a show. It must have been very difficult, as emotionally involved as they were. Imo

 

[Tigerlily75]

I haven't listened to the interview yet, and frankly, I am disgusted by what he has said. After reading comments and news articles, I'm convinced about one thing, he is lying about not planning this. There is confirmation of texts between him and Shanann about CW being there to take the girls to school on their first day, which was that Monday. But on the previous Friday and even the night before, he confirmed to coworkers that he would be checking the issues at CERVI. So for me... He definitely already had this planned out to some degree, not rage.

Could Shanann have consented to sleeping with him? Perhaps.. She loved him and was heartbroken that he was not showing her love, touching her, etc. Maybe he played the affectionate card and got her to calm down or maybe it never happened at all. I'm not convinced either way on that one. But I do believe he did this while she slept and there was not really a conversation or argument beforehand.

From the beginning, I always thought the girls were still alive when she arrived home, and I still do. Whether he killed them at CERVI or home.. Not sure. Just because he stripped the bed doesn't mean he killed them there, but wouldn't he have had to strip the beds before he left for work since NUA noticed the sheets gone or bedding gone when they were looking around with the police (unless that's what was taking him so long to open the door to them).. I haven't heard the detail for myself about his conversations with Bella and how he killed them there. Seems risky to do that out there.. Even though he told people he had it handled, someone could still have showed up.

Either way, I still believe he killed her first and then the girls. And where did that blanket even go? He probably threw it out the window on the way back home.

Little bit of truth, little bit of lie, a whole lot of evil.

I hope Shanann, Bella, Celeste, and Nico are at peace, and I hope that people will continue to honor them and curse this .

The kids beds weren’t stripped at that point, just unmade. NUA noted that because she said Shanann always made the beds. The master bed was stripped with the linen bundled on the floor (he had wrapped SW in one of the sheets)

 

[Tranquileyes]

The kids beds weren’t stripped at that point, just unmade. NUA noted that because she said Shanann always made the beds. The master bed was stripped with the linen bundled on the floor (he had wrapped SW in one of the sheets)

Yes correct.. thank you for reminding me.

 

[Seattle1]

This made me LOL. Sorry if I sound ghoulish, but I needed a break from the horror, a good laugh. Thanks.

Haaaa. Remember, we're talking the not neuro-typical guy that thinks he's smarter than the rest!

 

[Tranquileyes]

IIRC, the girls' beds were unmade but not stripped. NUA noticed that their favorite blankets were missing. Since he wrapped SW in the sheet to move her, conceivably he could have stripped the bed at that time. I don't have a good enough grasp of the timeline and when things were discovered to even begin to guess the order in which he did all of his evil deeds and cover-up actions.

I also believe that, within the transcript of the latest conversation (I couldn't handle listening to the full audio) CW admits to taking the towels and his clothes and throwing them in a construction dumpster near his home before he went to meet the police and NUA there. Having been in that neighborhood before, there is a lot of development going on in that area and it is totally plausible, although it is surprising to me that all nearby dumpsters weren't checked. MOO.

That makes sense now. I haven’t listened or really read the full transcript so I am missing some details, but I do think that the fact the blankets and animals were missing were because the girls were alive and he brought them along for comfort. Especially seeing their mother and Bella wondering what was wrong with her. Before, thinking that the girls were killed at home it seemed very strange and asinine that he would bring along their comfort items when they were already dead. Further convincing me, aside from shadows, that they were alive in the car. Could someone clarify if he put Shanann in the back of truck (bed) and the girls in backseat?

 

[Seattle1]

That makes sense now. I haven’t listened or really read the full transcript so I am missing some details, but I do think that the fact the blankets and animals were missing were because the girls were alive and he brought them along for comfort. Especially seeing their mother and Bella wondering what was wrong with her. Before, thinking that the girls were killed at home it seemed very strange and asinine that he would bring along their comfort items when they were already dead. Further convincing me, aside from shadows, that they were alive in the car. Could someone clarify if he put Shanann in the back of truck (bed) and the girls in backseat?

From the discussion on Dr Phil, I believe SW was on the floorboards in back seat of cab, girls on the back seat with their feet resting on top of their mother's body. (Unbelievable -- isn't it?)

 

[TridentBlu]

I have watched, listened to and read everything about this case and after going through yesterday's audio and transcript I am confused and wondering if there is something wrong with me because I don't understand how Shannan's parents, especially her mom, could possibly still love him after he killed their grandchildren and their daughter. How on earth could they still love him. The other thing I don't understand is how the detectives could possibly sit in the same room as him and actually laugh with him. Is there something wrong with me because I couldn't do that.

I don't remember them saying SW's parents loved him, just that they didn't hate him. They hadn't heard what we now know at that point. I imagine they are still processing their emotions toward a man they felt was a loving father and husband for nearly a decade.

 

[Tranquileyes]

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[Sheenaisapunkrocker]

Chris Watts Says He Found God After Choking the Life Out of His Wife and Daughters

well, Chris Watts says he found God---- hmmmm
you will need a barf bucket handy to get through
this article- and some Kleenex as well

Because, now he needs to save himself from the hot place. Ask forgiveness later....some take the "God will forgive all your sins" to justify whatever in their sick mind. IMO

 

[Tranquileyes]

From the discussion on Dr Phil, I believe SW was on the floorboards in back seat of cab, girls on the back seat with their feet resting on top of their mother's body. (Unbelievable -- isn't it?)

Wow that’s so disgusting. No wonder Bella made a comment about the smell. I thought I saw an article that said “bed” of the truck, and I thought that was risky to put her out in the open like that.. also wondered how that wouldn’t be on the video. Poor, poor girls!

 

[MsBetsy]

I say it was really as simple as procrastination. He has no empathy, but that doesn’t mean he actually enjoys the act of killing. It was something that “had to be done” in his mind, and he was putting it off until the last minute.

I think he was actually in a rush to get out of there and to the worksite before it got light and anybody got there. He was probably hoping to drive while it was still dark, when there are less people on the road.
Or, maybe he considered killing them in the home but was indecisive or even hesitant. Maybe he was trying to figure out a way in his mind to keep them alive during the drive there, but at some point realized there was no way without getting caught. Jmo

 

[1mtroyal]

CW knew there were cameras at the neighbor's house. He certainly wouldn't want the camera picking up his daughters getting into the pickup. If they were already dead and he carried them into the pickup with a blanket, and the camera picked this up, he could claim he was loading a sleeping bag or something. I don't believe they were alive when they left the house. If they were alive, his killing them was premeditated. What was he going to do? Bury their mom and bring the girls back to the house????

Kind of interesting that he came around to the camera side and loaded a gas can. It was easier to load the gas can from the other side, but he wanted to be on camera loading his gas can.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I have watched, listened to and read everything about this case and after going through yesterday's audio and transcript I am confused and wondering if there is something wrong with me because I don't understand how Shannan's parents, especially her mom, could possibly still love him after he killed their grandchildren and their daughter. How on earth could they still love him. The other thing I don't understand is how the detectives could possibly sit in the same room as him and actually laugh with him. Is there something wrong with me because I couldn't do that.

The agents were putting in an act to get him to talk. They knew the technique to choose was to be his friend and stroke his ego . I admire them because I would not have been able to keep the look of disgust off of my face I’m sure the minute they walked out of the room that look of disgust was there . I think telling Chris they still love him is more for healing on their part, not what that would do for Chris . I understand it but I don’t think I could have done that

 

[PommyMommy]

I don't remember them saying SW's parents loved him, just that they didn't hate him. They hadn't heard what we now know at that point. I imagine they are still processing their emotions toward a man they felt was a loving father and husband for nearly a decade.

IIRC, they said the Rzucek's said he was their son-in-law for __ years and they loved him, that they couldn't just stop that (or something like that) and they told investigators to tell him they loved him. I remember his surprise when they did.

So nice to meet you too @PommyMommy ! I'm grateful for your quest for truth and promoting collective love for mankind all at the same time -- you do it through your posts as well as your behind the scenes administration which takes time intensive commitment. It's remarkable. Thank you.

So kind of you to say. Thank you! I am really looking forward to what you have to say about these latest revelations, from a psych perspective.

MOO

 

[ilovewings]

I have watched, listened to and read everything about this case and after going through yesterday's audio and transcript I am confused and wondering if there is something wrong with me because I don't understand how Shannan's parents, especially her mom, could possibly still love him after he killed their grandchildren and their daughter. How on earth could they still love him. The other thing I don't understand is how the detectives could possibly sit in the same room as him and actually laugh with him. Is there something wrong with me because I couldn't do that.

Yeah, that bothered me too: How could they still love him after what he horrifically did to their daughter and grandchildren. I don't get it really. I think some people feel they are bad people if they hate, for example, someone that murdered their family member; I often hear those people say "I forgive-- so and so"
and I am puzzled by that but I think they have to think that way in order to go on. and not feel like bad people for hating that person . just my 2 cents

 

[Sheenaisapunkrocker]

I personally know people with super high IQs that won't even hold a job at Walmart - all smarts, zero common sense.

That sounded mean spirited towards WM employees. It's a respectable place to work, IMO. I meant a basic, entry level type of job.

 

[MJPeony]

IIRC, they said the Rzucek's said he was their son-in-law for __ years and they loved him, that they couldn't just stop that (or something like that) and they told investigators to tell him they loved him. I remember his surprise when they did.

RSBM.

Yes, and his shocked response is him making a bit of a laugh with relief. He is so pleased to hear it- almost as if he thinks they don't think badly of him. "Hooray!" he seems to think. He did not appear genuinely moved by it, but instead just hopeful his reputation was intact. So grotesque. JMO.

I know the time will soon come for me to not dwell on all that has just come out. But I'm still processing it all. Has been a long road of processing for me from the beginning.