GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #71

[NuttMegg]

Maybe the testin helps determine if a personally is criminally insane...?

It doesn't bother me that they spend time & $$ trying to figure out how he got the way he is. I just listened to the NK interview again yesterday, she mentioned when they went camping that she had to show him how to make a campfire, and that he had never camped before.
This reminds me of a 180deg version of "Starman", ie evil not charming/sweet guy arrives on earth as adult with no experience being human.
Do men really get to age 33 without ever making a campfire or camping out these days? WTHeck has he done all his life if someone didn't tell him to do it?

 

[Medstudies]

I think it’s that, or him basically saying that SW forgave him as he was killing her.

Both are equally absurd.

Agreed. To me? He was only projecting his feelings. How magnanimous, he granted himself complete absolution.

How delusional, to think in her last moments she was praying for HIM. (Or they?)

While I’m here, I’ll project my thoughts that she may have had: What are you doing? Why?!?! Oh, g-d help me, please save my babies!”

#it’sallabouthim
EDIT: typos

 

[yawningreyhound]

Something I found interesting in the interview is that CW spent every or nearly every night with NK while Shanann was traveling with the kiddos. Really, Chris? And you want us to UNDERSTAND YOU?

 

[MJPeony]

Re: CW's iq. I've also found it hard to believe it's apparently so high, even though I know iq is not just a fail-proof indicator of total encompassing intelligence.

But I found an interesting article (it tends to focus on presidential iq so just ignore that part). Why a high IQ doesn't mean you're smart From the article, a quote that I found particularly relevant to CW is:

"What this means, says Stanovich, is that 'intelligent people perform better only when you tell them what to do.'"

Now if that doesn't fit our general assessment of CW! A shell that adapts to whatever mask he needs to put on. I have to admit, CW was excellent at wearing a mask. Excellent.



*An aside, for entertainment- a brain tease problem that was used as an example:
"For example, consider the following problem. Jack is looking at Anne, and Anne is looking at George; Jack is married, George is not. Is a married person looking at an unmarried person? If asked to choose between yes, no, or cannot be determined, the vast majority of people go for the third option - incorrectly. If told to reason through all the options, though, those of high IQ are more likely to arrive at the right answer (which is "yes": we don't know Anne's marital status, but either way a married person would be looking at an unmarried one)."

...incidentally, I'm ashamed to admit that it took me a while to figure that one out

 

[kakadu]

I don't believe Radar, either. I also don't believe CW will attempt suicide. He seems pretty content in the prison he is in, likes the food, plays basketball and he hopes to mentor other prisoners. JMO

Yes, I agree and he has adapted to the situation as he always has done.

 

[NuttMegg]

Re: CW's iq. I've also found it hard to believe it's apparently so high, even though I know iq is not just a fail-proof indicator of total encompassing intelligence.

But I found an interesting article (it tends to focus on presidential iq so just ignore that part). Why a high IQ doesn't mean you're smart From the article, a quote that I found particularly relevant to CW is:

"What this means, says Stanovich, is that 'intelligent people perform better only when you tell them what to do.'"

Now if that doesn't fit our general assessment of CW! A shell that adapts to whatever mask he needs to put on. I have to admit, CW was excellent at wearing a mask. Excellent.



*An aside, for entertainment- a brain tease problem that was used as an example:
"For example, consider the following problem. Jack is looking at Anne, and Anne is looking at George; Jack is married, George is not. Is a married person looking at an unmarried person? If asked to choose between yes, no, or cannot be determined, the vast majority of people go for the third option - incorrectly. If told to reason through all the options, though, those of high IQ are more likely to arrive at the right answer (which is "yes": we don't know Anne's marital status, but either way a married person would be looking at an unmarried one)."

...incidentally, I'm ashamed to admit that it took me a while to figure that one out

I still don't see it. Nothing says that George (NM) or Jack (M) were looking at each other. Anne(?) and Jack(M) are the only ones looking at anyone, we don't know if Anne is married. George, the unmarried guy is not looking at anyone, and Jack (M) is not looking at him. Jack is only looking at Anne (?)
OMG this reminds me of the GRE. If only that my mind was spinning.
I'll most likely regret posting this.

 

[pinkie60]

Wow. I agree with you. I thought Jim came late Sunday or early Monday morning. I was under the impression that he was her alibi witness. In her interview with LE, she was very evasive about all info about Jim. She wouldn't even tell his last name. Her remarks about Jim were hard to follow because she kept jumping around and not giving a straight answer. I kept wondering why LE didn't pin her down on the exact time and his last name. Of course, this is also when her father jumped in and said Jim was a old family friend. However, I still think LE could have did a better job on that interview!! Too many important questions were not asked.[/QUOTE
Yes she was so protective of that friend. The same way Chris was protective of her they didn't want them involved etc. like it was such a big deal. One would think all 3 were in cahoots
In that same interview she seemed to be downplaying the relationship or maybe she really wasn't as much into him as he was into her. She said he told her he loved her constantly but she didn't say it as often. She says she was encouraging him to get his own place because he needed space just coming out of a relationship. Said she needed her space too. Interesting dynamics Yet she told him at some point she wished she could give him a son? Maybe she was just playing him
He gave her the poor me line about SW not listening to him claiming she was always on her phone. Saying he felt this way for 6 years
Yet when SW directly asks him what is wrong he doesn't say anything. What a jerk

 

[Betty P]

Agreed. To me? He was only projecting his feelings. How magnanimous, he granted himself complete absolution.

How delusional, to think in her last moments she was praying for HIM. (Or they?)

While I’m here, I’ll project my thoughts that she may have had: What are you doing? Why?!?! Oh, g-d help me, please save my babies!”

#it’sallabouthim
EDIT: typos

Yes, this is just more evidence of his narcissism. To absolve himself of guilt for these gruesome murders, he creates his own reality in which his wife forgives him for killing her and their children. Guy lived with a lot of fantasies, JMO.

 

[pinkie60]

Agreed. To me? He was only projecting his feelings. How magnanimous, he granted himself complete absolution.

How delusional, to think in her last moments she was praying for HIM. (Or they?)

While I’m here, I’ll project my thoughts that she may have had: What are you doing? Why?!?! Oh, g-d help me, please save my babies!”

#it’sallabouthim
EDIT: typos

I think she was asleep and he did similar as the kids with a blanket over her head and his hands on her throat. Probably covered her completely with the.covers She woke up to crushing pressure on her throat her instinct would be to sit up to breathe and he held her down

 

[MJPeony]

I still don't see it. Nothing says that George (NM) or Jack (M) were looking at each other. Anne(?) and Jack(M) are the only ones looking at anyone, we don't know if Anne is married. George, the unmarried guy is not looking at anyone, and Jack (M) is not looking at him. Jack is only looking at Anne (?)
OMG this reminds me of the GRE. If only that my mind was spinning.
I'll most likely regret posting this.

Ha- I couldn't figure it out at first either. If Anne is married, she’s looking at George, and he is unmarried. But if Anne is unmarried, then Jack is looking at her. Which means in either case, someone married is looking at someone unmarried.

Now, the question is would CW have been able to figure that out?? Maybe someone should mail him a postcard with the riddle.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

Nothing would surprise me re: NK. The idea that she could be involved and was Googling Amber Frey book deal so soon after she found out about the murders does make her seem Michelle Carter-esque. For some people, there is an appeal in getting attention for being involved in a tragedy, even moreso when you want to position yourself as a victim.

I actually thought about the Michelle Carter "encouragement" to her supposed boyfriend as it relates to this situation, too. NK said that CW could not contact her at all when he had the girls because she wanted him to focus on the girls.

As selfish as she is, there is no way that I believe that this would be the reason. It would be more as a punishment for putting their little lives ahead of hers. She resented them for moving her to second place.

I believe that this was also a signal to Chris. She knew that Chris had already fallen for her (and her manipulation). So, she said this as kind of an ultimatum--them or me.

Why else would she be researching wedding dresses on Sunday night IF she planned on just dating Chris and insisting that he have "alone" time with his girls? It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[NuttMegg]

Ha- I couldn't figure it out at first either. If Anne is married, she’s looking at George, and he is unmarried. But if Anne is unmarried, then Jack is looking at her. Which means in either case, someone married is looking at someone unmarried.

Now, the question is would CW have been able to figure that out?? Maybe someone should mail him a postcard with the riddle.

I would have solved it had I put those 2 labels (NM) (M) on Anne, instead of the (?). Oh well, thanks. I used to be good at those, until I quit caring at about age 70, lol.

PPl respect the IQ tests with too much adulation I think. They are interesting but not much of an indicator of success, personality, "decent-ness, human-ness". As a biologist I worked alongside mechanics, commercial fishermen, PhD's in science, social science, the whole gamut, and the most "intelligent", to me, working for themselves, figuring things out, self starting, not too much urge to please....were the self employed mechanics and fishermen. Which is why all along I've respected CW for his mechanical ability. It's just the rest of him that's such a waste of protoplasm.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

That must be the "111 minutes" I see quoted all over the place.

I think that they talked that Sunday night for 111 minutes. I also thought that he didn't spend that long at the party--maybe, a few hours. Didn't he take some of the party pizza home and feed it to the girls that night?

 

[NuttMegg]

I think that they talked that Sunday night for 111 minutes. I also thought that he didn't spend that long at the party--maybe, a few hours. Didn't he take some of the party pizza home and feed it to the girls that night?

Sounds right, re the pizza. For a guy constantly fussing about eating right, he sure ate a lot of pizza.

 

[book-thinker]

I understand what you are saying. However did anyone look up in that particular prison what the mentoring program is all about? In one of the prison's I could find the phrase that mentoring program consists of assisting other prison inmates with addiction services and other areas along those lines. Life goes on behind prison walls and it's actually a good thing if the facility trains certain individuals in certain areas to keep the costs of the prison down. It does state, on the site in the prison he is in that they do an assessment on the inmate upon his entry into the prison. Maybe that assessment either gives options or REQUIREMENTS to the inmate that he must fulfill: like working in the prison. The education level, level of intelligence (which may include an IQ test to verify the ability to learn and retain information), and other assessments could be made. Not every prisoner is going to have the appropriate requirements to do this kind of work. Maybe CW scored high that he had the appropriate knowledge or capability of learning to actually be able to do that kind of work program.

Personally I'd like to see inmates helping other inmates. It's in no way excusing what he did rather it's keeping the costs down in the prison's to save money from being taken out of the budget for the city or state or even government funding. It's not such a bad idea and if this is where he is suited to be placed the kudos to him.

To put it a better way: this could be a better solution than making the tax payer in the State of Wisconsin foot the bill to have a murderer in jail. Would you like to be paying for his bills in jail?

Mentorship is a relationship in which a more experienced or more knowledgeable person helps to guide a less experienced or less knowledgeable person. The mentor may be older or younger than the person being mentored, but he or she must have a certain area of expertise.[1] It is a learning and development partnership between someone with vast experience and someone who wants to learn.[1] Interaction with an expert may also be necessary to gain proficiency with/in cultural tools.[2] Mentorship experience and relationship structure affect the "amount of psychosocial support, career guidance, role modeling, and communication that occurs in the mentoring relationships in which the protégés and mentors engaged."[3]

Would Chris Watts's experience or knowledgeable help guide less experienced prisoners.

The experience of murdering his family in a horrific manner. The suffocation of his two beautiful
daughters by Chris at Cervi 319 worksite. Cece's and Bella's bodies dumped separately down a 20 centimeters round opening in oil drums I do not Chris Watts' in a role model position

Chris Watts still living in his fantasy world!

 

[pinkie60]

I about flipped my lid when he said people write him for spiritual advice.

Lots of nuts out there!!!

 

[pinkie60]

She certainly scrambled for damage control quickly, to cover her own behind.

I think she had that sinking feeling that her secret affair with a family annihilator was going to be exposed, but I don't think she realized just how much scrutiny she'd draw from around the world -- including her google searches, texts and butt-squeezing bikini shots.

I wonder who will play NK when they do the Lifetime Movie?
Ugh.

moo

. I don't think I can watch it

 

[MJPeony]

I feel like I am in an alternative reality, I don´t recognise anyone with blue hair. George, Jack an Anne, where did they come from? ....LMBO.

George Jack and Anne- fake characters in an iq brain tease illustrating the way one must be told how to look at a problem (like CW). That's my fault. I'm going to go back and edit my post- might send others into alternate reality and I don't want to derail thread!

ETA: original post too late to edit... oops.

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

I think that they talked that Sunday night for 111 minutes. I also thought that he didn't spend that long at the party--maybe, a few hours. Didn't he take some of the party pizza home and feed it to the girls that night?

 

[molly1255]

I think that they talked that Sunday night for 111 minutes. I also thought that he didn't spend that long at the party--maybe, a few hours. Didn't he take some of the party pizza home and feed it to the girls that night?

It was pizza he ordered on Saturday when he had the babysitter watch the girls, so he could go on his date with NK.