GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #72

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  • #181
You bring up some very interesting points.

NK came out the shoot with lies to the FBI and she continued lying to the CBI, and she was called on the lies they could prove. I cannot imagine that LE had a good feeling about her because of her lies, and because she deleted the text messages, but they didn't have evidence she encouraged him to kill his family, that she knew he was going to kill his family or that she helped him do it, IMO.

Imagine the reaction of the DA and investigators when her Denver Post interview was published. My guess is their mouths were hanging open. JMO, I highly doubt she asked them if it was ok to do an interview, especially right before the sentencing hearing, or that she even bothered to tell them she was doing it. To top it off, her interview was full of complete lies. That's way more than chuzpah, IMO. That's a red flag, IMO.

I agree the kind of questions LE was asking CW in the prison interview regarding NK resemble the kind of questions that would be asked in an open investigation. I'm not so sure that LE's book on NK is closed.

JMO
BBM

I believe LE is still investigating NK. Dr Phil interviewed Shanann's family lawyer right before CW's prison interview became publicized. IIRC, when Dr Phil asked him about NK, the lawyer replied, paraphrased, 'no comment anything regarding NK, the matter is still under investigation'. (hope I'm remembering this correctly) I can't find that video footage. Can anyone find it?
 
  • #182
BBM

I believe LE is still investigating NK. Dr Phil interviewed Shanann's family lawyer right before CW's prison interview became publicized. IIRC, when Dr Phil asked him about NK, the lawyer replied, paraphrased, 'no comment anything regarding NK, the matter is still under investigation'. (hope I'm remembering this correctly) I can't find that video footage. Can anyone find it?
Did you check Dr. Phil's archive for March, 2019? Show Archive | Dr. Phil
 
  • #183
Did you check Dr. Phil's archive for March, 2019? Show Archive | Dr. Phil
Thank you, I just checked but not archived at Dr. Phil. However, I found that portion of the video on youtube. I don't think I can link it as the video was uploaded by some random person. But the video is definitely authentic. (The video title is 'Chris Watts JailHouse Confession/Is Nicole Kessinger still being investigated!?')


It starts with:
Dr. Phil : He has pled guilty, he is rotting in prison, why are they there? why did they go in? (they= Tammy, coder, baumhover is my guess)

Shanann's parent's attorney: It's our guess, there was another person they were looking into or investigating, there were(?) not enough time to try to determine if charges should be brought or if that was not an avenue to be explored and we are unsure at this point if that's on- going investigation or not so we don't want to go too far down on that road.
 
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Thank you, I just checked but not archived at Dr. Phil. However, I found that portion of the video on youtube. I don't think I can link it as the video was uploaded by some random person. But the video is definitely authentic. (The video title is 'Chris Watts JailHouse Confession/Is Nicole Kessinger still being investigated!?')

It starts with:
Dr. Phil : He has pled guilty, he is rotting in prison, why are they there? why did they go in? (they= Tammy, coder, baumhover is my guess)

Shanann's parent's attorney: It's our guess, there was another person they were looking into or investigating, there were(?) not enough time to try to determine if charges should be brought or if that was not an avenue to be explored and we are unsure at this point if that's on- going investigation or not so we don't want to go too far down on that road.
My impression was that was about the individuals who falsely claimed to have affairs/sex with CW, namely TB and AM. Coder and Lee asked CW if he wanted to see them face charges and he said, "no," and something about it wouldn't do anyone any good. I don't remember any questions concerning NK that led me to believe they were investigating her. MOO
 
  • #185
RSBM and BBM
If NK monitored the tanks for leaks, could she also be able to control pressure build-up/release pressure in the tanks from the office? Maybe her statement of not contacting her until this is all over was her referring to her setting the tanks up to pressure-blow. Can oil tanks like these build up pressure? But then NUA insisted CW come to his home and meet the police throwing everything off for NK to remotely set things off? Do we know if CW called NK on his way to meeting NUA and the police?
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I think if there was a text to her on his way home to meet with the police we would have heard about it. IIRC she said he called her and told her his wife and kids were missing and the police were all over the house. So that must have been sometime after he got home to meet the police
 
  • #186
Agree. For someone that LE has apparently completely dismissed, they certainly asked him a lot of questions about NK during that interview. Those questions occurred at multiple times during the interview and several questions were very direct.

If they had the answers, why would they waste their time asking?

They also asked him why the basement door was opened at 4:26 a.m. and that he had a lot of steps around that time. Very good question, and he claimed he couldn't remember. But he certainly remembers his cottage cheese that morning.

At this point, I'd actually feel a little more comfortable about NK if she was out there trying to sell her story and was stating she had nothing to do with it. We do know she was interested in possibly monetizing her story because she googled Amber Frey's book deal and her net worth.

Perhaps NK was feeling more full of herself in the early days of this case when she performed those google searches and thought LE bought everything she said hook, line and sinker because they were treating her like a victim.

JMO, it doesn't appear she has a book in the works. Why not? Is it because she's suddenly decided to become a decent person? IMO, she wasn't a decent person when she was interviewed by the Denver Post. She was full of lies.

JMO, I think she told LE lies they could not prove because they lacked evidence. JMO, she's afraid to publish anything for fear it will bite her in the rear-end with LE. I don't think she knows whether LE was able to retrieve all of her deleted text messages, though she was certainly questioning the CBI Agent whether they were able to retrieve them and he wouldn't tell her.

As far as I know, LE has never made an announcement about whether they recovered those text messages. I'm sure they've had many inquiries about this. I think that's very interesting and NK has literally dropped off the face of the earth and it's way more than a low profile.

All JMO
Yes this
 
  • #187
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Published 52 mins ago
Petition seeks to remove Chris Watts' family photos from prison cell

A group is demanding in an online petition that convicted murderer Christopher Watts, who strangled his pregnant wife and suffocated their two daughters, have photos of his family removed from his prison cell.

“As taxpayers and members of the public, we are outraged that Chris Watts was allowed to have a photograph of the victims he was convicted of murdering, including his two minor children,” the petition states. “Allowing a murderer to keep a trophy of his victims goes against the purpose and mission statement of the Wisconsin Department of Corrections, which emphasizes public safety and victim advocacy.”


Petition seeks to remove Chris Watts' family photos from prison cell
 
  • #188
I don't think she ever told the cops that she had told him that, correct? She just told them that she deleted her own stuff. And then moaned and groaned and pretended she didn't have a clue as to why the texts were disjointed afterwards, not making sense.

ETA now I remember I did hear her later interviews, but they were read, masterfully, by mommyramblings IIRC.

I'm pretty sure she never told the cops that she told him to delete everything. In fact, when she had her interview with the FBI on Wwednrsday, she said she did not speak to CW on Tuesday.
 
  • #189
I'm pretty sure she never told the cops that she told him to delete everything. In fact, when she had her interview with the FBI on Wwednrsday, she said she did not speak to CW on Tuesday.

LIE! Discovery files page 1003. Lots of calls between them. 5 in total, longest conversation 31 minutes.
 
  • #190
Homicide
Published 52 mins ago
Petition seeks to remove Chris Watts' family photos from prison cell

A group is demanding in an online petition that convicted murderer Christopher Watts, who strangled his pregnant wife and suffocated their two daughters, have photos of his family removed from his prison cell.

“As taxpayers and members of the public, we are outraged that Chris Watts was allowed to have a photograph of the victims he was convicted of murdering, including his two minor children,” the petition states. “Allowing a murderer to keep a trophy of his victims goes against the purpose and mission statement of the Wisconsin Department of Corrections, which emphasizes public safety and victim advocacy.”


Petition seeks to remove Chris Watts' family photos from prison cell
That photo of CW on the FOX article may be the only one I've ever seen where his mask dropped for a millisecond. Moving towards his probable expressions the night he murdered the family.
 
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  • #191
LIE! Discovery files page 1003. Lots of calls between them. 5 in total, longest conversation 31 minutes.

Maybe in school she didn't learn that the day changes at midnight?
 
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Maybe in school she didn't learn that the day changes at midnight?
At one point she said in the interview she considers all the very early morning Tuesday calls to still be Monday, something like that. Were there other calls actually the next morning or day? IE Tuesday and Wednesday. I would bet yes, but about know my mind is spinning with all the info.
 
  • #194
At one point she said in the interview she considers all the very early morning Tuesday calls to still be Monday, something like that. Were there other calls actually the next morning or day? IE Tuesday and Wednesday. I would bet yes, but about know my mind is spinning with all the info.

There were several phone calls after midnight, which would have been Tuesday. I didn't see any actual phone calls after that.

ETA: If she considers anything after midnight to still be Monday, then maybe she thought that would mitigate one of the lies she told the FBI.
 
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  • #195
My impression was that was about the individuals who falsely claimed to have affairs/sex with CW, namely TB and AM. Coder and Lee asked CW if he wanted to see them face charges and he said, "no," and something about it wouldn't do anyone any good. I don't remember any questions concerning NK that led me to believe they were investigating her. MOO

I listed to this interview several times and there were a lot of questions about NK. Examples of a few that were very direct, IMO:

* Did she tell you to delete everything? Note - CW confirmed she did.
* Did she ask you go get rid of your family?
* Did she put it in your head (getting rid of his family)?

Coder later asked him again if NK asked him to get rid of his family. Coder responded "are you sure?".

These questions and especially the "are you sure?" made me think that LE wasn't 100% positive about NK.

JMO
 
  • #196
Scott is always interesting although occasionally he gets a few details wrong.
 
  • #197
I listed to this interview several times and there were a lot of questions about NK. Examples of a few that were very direct, IMO:

* Did she tell you to delete everything? Note - CW confirmed she did.
* Did she ask you go get rid of your family?
* Did she put it in your head (getting rid of his family)?

Coder later asked him again if NK asked him to get rid of his family. Coder responded "are you sure?".

These questions and especially the "are you sure?" made me think that LE wasn't 100% positive about NK.

JMO
IIRC Tammy asked him about rumors or conjecture that NK was in the basement, ie what would he say to that? He changed the subject.
 
  • #198
Wow, Reisch says
"If Watts had stayed in the Colorado department of corrections, they would not have let him have photos of his victims in his cell. Prisoners in Colorado are very limited in the photographs they can keep and they certainly are not going to be able to keep them of their victims." about time stamp 37:00 to about 42:00
 
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More from Reisch: says the petition is "working"
"So I'm not exactly sure what happened in Wisconsin, that 1) he (CW) was able to get those pictures, who sent them, and how.. And, if he brought them from Colorado in his personal property, it should not have happened at all where he should have had those photographs. It's a little weird IMO that he is allowed to do that, or even wants it." lots more at link, above. about 40:00......"Something not right there"
 
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More from Reisch: says the petition is "working"
"So I'm not exactly sure what happened in Wisconsin, that 1) he (CW) was able to get those pictures, who sent them, and how.. And, if he brought them from Colorado in his personal property, it should not have happened at all where he should have had those photographs. It's a little weird IMO that he is allowed to do that, or even wants it." lots more at link, above. about 40:00......"Something not right there"
"Big deal" IMO They are pushing 12k now.

Scott guesses that those photos should have been taken from his cell by now. "NO BRAINER. Weird, creepy, that anyone would want a copy of their victims" per SR. He is putting a lot of emphasis on this, no photos of victims, photos should be gone by now. CW doesn't appreciate what he's done, like they just went on a trip to NC.
 
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