GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #72

[NuttMegg]

In the attached article, by August 6th, Shanann knew she was pregnant with a boy. I'll look some more to see if the exact date she learned the baby's gender is stated.

Texts show relationship between a pregnant Colorado woman and husband who later killed her

Then, if true, that would be the Monday after they got back? 6th = Monday, 11th = Saturday restaurant date 13th murders. So he wouldn't have known in NC to try to abort a boy baby.
I'm sorry I haven't paid too much attention to the date they got back from NC. I remember that week though, IIRC CW quickie with NK on Wed night (8 August), CW says he takes off Friday (10th) to take SW to airport, but NUA really did. Restaurant date 11 Aug. then 111 minute pre-murder convo night of 12 Aug.
Does anyone remember if SW went to get sonogram on Monday the 6th? Whatever they call it.

 

[DaisyKenny]

"She asked Watts if he had kept anything from the police about Kessinger's involvement.

'I do not believe in my heart that Nikki knew he was going to murder his family. I think the only part she played is that she wanted him to leave Shanann and the girls - and she wanted it yesterday,' Cadle said."
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Ah yes, the ultimatums, the 111 minute phone call on the 12th, the contentious dinner the night of the 11th.

Cadle later wrote: 'After Christopher killed his family and drove away, Nikki texted him to look up the song by Metallica band called ''Battery.'' I challenge you to look up the full lyrics of this song. I find it interesting that we should believe it's only a coincidence.'

'I do not believe in my heart that Nikki knew he was going to murder his family. I think the only part she played is that she wanted him to leave Shanann and the girls - and she wanted it yesterday,' Cadle said."
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Cadle is being just a tad inconsistent, IMO.
NK also told CW (prison interview) to delete everything right after his family went missing, but only after she confirmed that LE didn't have possession of his phone.
I just wonder if we'll ever know the the truth.
If only LE had arrested him during the wellness check.
They certainly had probable cause since they knew the only way his family left that house was in his truck.
JMO

 

[PommyMommy]

New story

Chris Watts claims if he hadn't met his mistress, he wouldn't have murdered his family | Daily Mail Online

If true, maybe this is why Cindy is so upset? MOO

"Watts agreed to allow Cadle to use his letters in exchange for publishing his 'testimony of coming to God and the forgiveness he received'.

'The agreement was he would take no money for himself or his family,' she said."

 

[DaisyKenny]

If true, maybe this is why Cindy is so upset? MOO

"Watts agreed to allow Cadle to use his letters in exchange for publishing his 'testimony of coming to God and the forgiveness he received'.

'The agreement was he would take no money for himself or his family,' she said."

Well I for one am glad Cadle's book is being released, especially since the Watts are so against it and it serves as a foil to Cindy's upcoming book.

 

[NuttMegg]

Cadle later wrote: 'After Christopher killed his family and drove away, Nikki texted him to look up the song by Metallica band called ''Battery.'' I challenge you to look up the full lyrics of this song. I find it interesting that we should believe it's only a coincidence.'

'I do not believe in my heart that Nikki knew he was going to murder his family. I think the only part she played is that she wanted him to leave Shanann and the girls - and she wanted it yesterday,' Cadle said."
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Cadle is being just a tad inconsistent, IMO.
NK also told CW (prison interview) to delete everything right after his family went missing, but only after she confirmed that LE didn't have possession of his phone.
I just wonder if we'll ever know the the truth.
If only LE had arrested him during the wellness check.
They certainly had probable cause since they knew the only way his family left that house was in his truck.
JMO

A couple of times I've seen that portrayed as "After CW killed his family and drove away...(all he could think of was the dog or all he could think of was Nikki)" as though he drove away soon after. But, IIRC the co-workers arrived at Cervi at 8:30 or so, and they were all there for quite awhile before going to the other site. (?) I wonder if Cadle has done her homework re timelines.

 

[PommyMommy]

He's not human. No way can he be human.

'I couldn't believe how easily it was to just let her drop through the hole and let her go. I heard the splash as she hit the oil,' he said of Celeste.

He then relived for Cadle, in appalling detail, how he killed his eldest daughter Bella after she had watched him murder and dispose of her baby sister. He spoke of his surprise that: 'Little quiet Bella had a will to live.

'Out of all three, Bella is the only one that put up a fight.

 

[spangled]

Christopher Watts is enjoying himself.

He gets a real kick out of writing these letters. What possible reason other than to stick the knife in further to her family.

However, I agree with what someone posted up thread, is this also taunting his mother?? Now saying he killed the girls twice (total rubbish), she is the only person convinced he didn't, he wants to make absolutely sure she knows he did. Why, I don't know, he's a psychopath.

 

[ilovewings]

I hate that he is getting all this publicity- i don't want to hear his ugly rantings--- i wish no one was writing a book about him- he is loving his "fame"--- there are no words that adequately describe the vileness, the malignant narcissism, the ugliness of this sub-human.

 

[tmar]

He's not human. No way can he be human.

'I couldn't believe how easily it was to just let her drop through the hole and let her go. I heard the splash as she hit the oil,' he said of Celeste.

He then relived for Cadle, in appalling detail, how he killed his eldest daughter Bella after she had watched him murder and dispose of her baby sister. He spoke of his surprise that: 'Little quiet Bella had a will to live.

'Out of all three, Bella is the only one that put up a fight.

This is so horrid.
A **** monster disposing of these beautiful girls.
How is it possible, that he exits, among humans?
Hope reliving his actions, causes him to 'disappear'.
MOO.

 

[?mysterian?]

Christopher Watts is enjoying himself.

He gets a real kick out of writing these letters. What possible reason other than to stick the knife in further to her family.

However, I agree with what someone posted up thread, is this also taunting his mother?? Now saying he killed the girls twice (total rubbish), she is the only person convinced he didn't, he wants to make absolutely sure she knows he did. Why, I don't know, he's a psychopath.

IF things happened as described in his letters, he's such a screw-up he didn't even kill his children the first time (hated typing that), just managed to knock them out for a while, supposedly, then they both recovered. Big IF. I don't believe much that he says. I do believe he killed everyone, I think he likes to taunt everyone and relive the horrible crimes. He likes the attention. All IMO.

 

[kittycat3]

This guy is such a narcissist, inventing so many new twists and turns to his story I bet he’s almost convinced himself this new version is true. What complete filth.

 

[MassGuy]

Well I for one am glad Cadle's book is being released, especially since the Watts are so against it and it serves as a foil to Cindy's upcoming book.

Haaaaaaaa. Me too.

I get some sick enjoyment from Cindy’s book being overshadowed, and CW sticking it to her.

She ran Shanann’s name though the mud to defend her son, and her son has turned on her.

CW, Cindy, and Jamie deserve each other.

 

[Gardenista]

Well I for one am glad Cadle's book is being released, especially since the Watts are so against it and it serves as a foil to Cindy's upcoming book.

Just read on FB the author gave an interview to the hateful purple podcaster and the author LOVES the hateful purple podcaster. Tells me all I need to know about the author. No thanks.

 

[DaisyKenny]

Chris Watts claims obsession with mistress led to him murdering family | Daily Mail Online

"The Watts family helped her in the beginning by sharing stories and photos but she began to question their motives.
'It turned into more of a Shanann bashing because Cindy does not believe that Christopher killed his daughters,' Cadle said. 'She believes that Cece and Bella were killed by Shanann. Their entire motive has been to clear their son's name. I understand it would be very hard to admit that your son could do anything so awful.
'In the beginning, I felt it was out of their pain but it didn't take long to see that they were trying to push the narrative of the book. When I wouldn't write what they wanted me to write, his mother became very angry with me.'​

Ironically, the author of Cindy's book (Kathleen) wrote: "With the sole exception of Alex Jones, calling the Newton families liars, I haven’t seen this sort of bloodlust towards people (the Watts) already struggling with disaster."

I have often wondered whether the Watts were behind the campaign of hate and lies against Shanann and her family on social media. And after reading how Cindy was trying push Cadle into selling the narrative that Shanann murdered Bella and Cece, I now believe that has been the case. JMO

I feel utter contempt for those re-victimizing the Rzucek family. And those idiots spreading insane lies are indirectly responsible for the wackos who have harassed and even made death threats against the Rzucek family.

Cadle did tell the hateful purple podcaster that she hopes those who are harassing the Rzuceks will accept the truth being told in her book.

I hope she is right.

 

[BeanieBod]

This is a wound that just keeps getting infected.

I wonder what Lee and Coder have to say about all this. And Rourke.

FTR I haven’t read anything yet. Not sure when I will either.

I have wondered what their reaction will be, especially Dave. I suspect that this will be so troubling for him. And think of all the other people who worked this case.

BTW, I listened to part of the YT interview with the author tonight. She stated that Chris was angry that the investigators just showed up in WI to talk to him. What? Were they suppose to call your secretary for an appointment, you jacks..? He has a huge ego.

 

[MassGuy]

I have wondered what their reaction will be, especially Dave. I suspect that this will be so troubling for him. And think of all the other people who worked this case.

BTW, I listened to part of the YT interview with the author tonight. She stated that Chris was angry that the investigators just showed up in WI to talk to him. What? Were they suppose to call your secretary for an appointment, you jacks..? He has a huge ego.

One does not speak to Chris Watts without an appointment.

That’s more BS from him. He was more than happy to speak with them, as it stroked his ego.

He’s a big deal. Well, he thinks he is.

 

[BeanieBod]

It’s shocking to hear that his parents still blame Shannon for the murder of the the girls!
I think Calde sounds like she’s on the up and up. Everything she has said sounds accurate

Cadle was asked in the interview tonight if she would be visiting him again and she said definitely no. She intends to have no further contact with him. She talked also about the pure evil and darkness that she saw in him when he talked about the murders.

That is scary.

 

[Artis]

Cadle later wrote: 'After Christopher killed his family and drove away, Nikki texted him to look up the song by Metallica band called ''Battery.'' I challenge you to look up the full lyrics of this song. I find it interesting that we should believe it's only a coincidence.'

'I do not believe in my heart that Nikki knew he was going to murder his family. I think the only part she played is that she wanted him to leave Shanann and the girls - and she wanted it yesterday,' Cadle said."
​

Cadle is being just a tad inconsistent, IMO.
NK also told CW (prison interview) to delete everything right after his family went missing, but only after she confirmed that LE didn't have possession of his phone.
I just wonder if we'll ever know the the truth.
If only LE had arrested him during the wellness check.
They certainly had probable cause since they knew the only way his family left that house was in his truck.
JMO

I actually think her assessment is correct about NK. I think when she realized Shannan and the girls were missing, she wanted to immediately distance herself and that began with trying to erase the evidence of their relationship.

You know, aside from the unspeakable atrocities that CW committed, this case really speaks to how terrible the sin of adultery is. Unfortunately, like lying, it seems to have become almost acceptable in our modern society. I'm not blaming NK for what he did and don't think it had much to do with CW's psychopathy, rage and crimes (other than being, as NK herself said, a catalyst) but it's a moral lesson about how things can be put into motion that we would never anticipate. Millions of people have affairs and, I'm sure, never think something like this could happen.

BTW, I cannot believe Cindy has written a book (*insert puke emoticon here*). I didn't know until jut now. Can you imagine what a bunch of narcissistic, lying pile of garbage that will be?! Ugh. I'm glad this other book is coming out to put the lie to everything that hag has said and written. What a dreadful woman she is.

 

[Artis]

Cadle was asked in the interview tonight if she would be visiting him again and she said definitely no. She intends to have no further contact with him. She talked also about the pure evil and darkness that she saw in him when he talked about the murders.

That is scary.

Where was this interview? I'd like to hear it.

I can understand wanting to get firsthand info from a killer to become a crime writer. Many do it. However, I don't think I could deal with looking into the abyss and the negative, frightening energy. The problem with psychopaths - even when people know what they've done - is they can seem so normal or even likeable. I'm sure that when "normal" people interview them that they can become momentarily disoriented or disarmed and then BOOM, they see and feel that evil is the total lack of conscience and are reminded just what IT is they're talking to. It's one thing to look at it all from the perspective that we do but face to face has to be something very different. I don't think my brain could process the disconnect from talking to someone with a "normal" appearance and then see the pits of Hell open before me.

 

[Artis]

One does not speak to Chris Watts without an appointment.

That’s more BS from him. He was more than happy to speak with them, as it stroked his ego.

He’s a big deal. Well, he thinks he is.

He is a big deal though I doubt he understands in what way. He's a big deal like any unbelievable psychopath is. Kinda like Satan, who is also a big deal.

The cops who who have dealt with and interviewed him should know that psychopaths lie so they shouldn't be surprised about new revelations though, I suspect, based upon their prison interview with him, that they, too, suffer moments of disconnect. A normal person really can't conceive of the mind of psychopath. Robert Hare, the daddy on that subject, has told how even he was conned when he should have known better. It was early in his career but he knew what he was dealing with and still got snowed, to an extent.

Years ago, I was involved in a thread where we were discussing a big crime and the shocking lies, conspiracy and mindf//k around the whole thing. Another poster wrote something that I saved because I thought it was so chilling and profound. Made me think he or she had some personal experience that was life altering (they didn't share if that was the case). Anyway, it really resonated with me on how there are things that are really are beyond our ability to comprehend, try as we might, and I saved it. It was about "evil" and here it is:


I can tell you from personal experience that this is a big
stumbling block with many people. That is, this discussion of "evil".

There are those who don't believe "evil" exists-----that all things are
'relative'-----what may 'be' evil to one person is not so to another----
and that both 'views' are valid. I believe this to be absolute rubbish,
representing a lazy and cowardly thought process. Nevertheless...

There are some who believe evil exists, but who are realistic enough to
know that they have been relatively 'sheltered' from 'it', never really
experiencing 'it' in any substantial way. They may even consider
themselves 'blessed' in this regard.

Then there are those who believe evil exists and that they in fact have
experienced it directly, either being a victim of 'it', or maybe just
'witnessing' it first hand. However, what the majority of these people
experience is just 'petty' evil------petty animosities---
petty jealousies-----violence with petty motivations. Even some really
horrible acts are the resutls of 'petty evil'.

But there is another kind of evil which only a minority of people are
familiar with. It is something so dark, so alien to their own nature and
to what they had thought could even exist, that with their first
encounter of 'It', they are astonished--------'it can not be so, this
can not possibly be'. And they are 'diminished' by the encounter. There
is a loss of 'innocence' so profound that it seems almost irrepairable.
And this is a problem, for, in order to defeat this evil you must be
able to recognize it, to recognize it you must be able to
understand(know) it, and to know it a part of you must die. To hope and
to pray for the destruction of this evil is all fine and well. But so
long as no 'divine' intervention comes, the price of confronting 'It'
will be paid with blood----yours----or 'Its'. It will never be placated.
It can not be appeased. And these are the 'Powers' who rule this day.