GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #72

[Blondiexoxo]

Today, I read snippets from Cindy Watts’ new ‘book’. I was disgusted and shocked that this woman still continues to bring up every little thing Shanann ever said to her, trying to justify her son’s actions somehow. No matter what Shanann ever said or did it doesn justify her and her daughters and unborn son being murdered at the hands of the person who was supposed to protect them. It’s horrible to bring up every little ‘flaw’ you see in someone’s character after your son snuffed the life out of her and your grandchildren. I’d be embarrassed to show my face atall if that was my son never mind write a book about what a lovely boy/man he was. This woman is more upset that her son is locked up than she is that her two granddaughters are dead it’s shocking.
Her words are hollow because they’ve been released at the same time as CW’s vile letters for the book all about him.
This has ruffled my feathers today.
While I do see the Watts’ as victims too I feel the way they’ve handled this entire nightmare hasn’t been respectful for the most part. Shananns family are amazing and if anyone deserves to profit from this it’s them. Nothing will ever bring Shanann and her girls back but they deserve the chance to live a happy life after all they’ve been through

 

[katydid23]

Today, I read snippets from Cindy Watts’ new ‘book’. I was disgusted and shocked that this woman still continues to bring up every little thing Shanann ever said to her, trying to justify her son’s actions somehow. No matter what Shanann ever said or did it doesn justify her and her daughters and unborn son being murdered at the hands of the person who was supposed to protect them. It’s horrible to bring up every little ‘flaw’ you see in someone’s character after your son snuffed the life out of her and your grandchildren. I’d be embarrassed to show my face atall if that was my son never mind write a book about what a lovely boy/man he was. This woman is more upset that her son is locked up than she is that her two granddaughters are dead it’s shocking.
Her words are hollow because they’ve been released at the same time as CW’s vile letters for the book all about him.
This has ruffled my feathers today.
While I do see the Watts’ as victims too I feel the way they’ve handled this entire nightmare hasn’t been respectful for the most part. Shananns family are amazing and if anyone deserves to profit from this it’s them. Nothing will ever bring Shanann and her girls back but they deserve the chance to live a happy life after all they’ve been through

I totally agree.

Seeing this woman badmouthing her murdered daughter-in-law, over such petty issues as who did or didn't send bridal shower invites, after knowing her son slaughtered her 3 grand babies, and his wife, because he wanted a hot new girlfriend,---and she goes ahead and trashes her, like none of that nightmare happened. It is mind blowing how petty and ridiculous this vile woman is.

Like I am going to believe her version of events anyway...she paints herself as the kind, loving mother-in-law, unfairly bullied by the spoiled, cruel daughter in law. Yeah, sure thing.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

I totally agree.

Seeing this woman badmouthing her murdered daughter-in-law, over such petty issues as who did or didn't send bridal shower invites, after knowing her son slaughtered her 3 grand babies, and his wife, because he wanted a hot new girlfriend,---and she goes ahead and trashes her, like none of that nightmare happened. It is mind blowing how petty and ridiculous this vile woman is.

Like I am going to believe her version of events anyway...she paints herself as the kind, loving mother-in-law, unfairly bullied by the spoiled, cruel daughter in law. Yeah, sure thing.

You’d expect it to be dedicated to her beautiful granddaughters but it’s all about how wonderful her eldest grandson is and how great Chris was with him. Like let’s just forget about the children he shoved into oil tanks and lets talk about how he loved his nephew it’s sickening and I’m so so angry for the Rzuceks! They carry themselves with such dignity, they have to keep enduring CW’s latest ‘confession’ and now read absolute bs about how Shanann was a bit bossy. Well so am I and a lot of women but that’s just part and parcel of who we are and DOES NOT mean she deserved to be killed or that she ‘pushed’ CW to this. Vile vile vile I cannot even put my absolute despise for these people into words.

 

[Blondiexoxo]

If my son killed his own children I don’t think I could ever look him in the eyes again. I’d love him because a mother has unconditional love for her kids but I could not make my ‘victim impact statement’ all about him and not one single mention of my grandchildren he murdered. I’d have to stand up in court and say I’m ashamed of my son, I’m embarrassed that I raised him to become such a monster, then perhaps write to him at a later date explaining that I do love him but I cannot forgive what he has done.

This ‘book’ even describes what a wonderful partner CW sister has, that she chose well but Chris did not. Who says that about their murdered daughter in law? Can see exactly where CW gets it from imo.
Need to get off this thread now before I end up in time out

 

[Artis]

Cindy is a textbook narcissist. As a result, Chris is an extension of HER. Trashing Shannan and whitewashing her son's actions are all about Cindy having having to be right and held in high esteem.

 

[ilovewings]

Cindy is a textbook narcissist. As a result, Chris is an extension of HER. Trashing Shannan and whitewashing her son's actions are all about Cindy having having to be right and held in high esteem.

Exactly

 

[NuttMegg]

Cadle was asked in the interview tonight if she would be visiting him again and she said definitely no. She intends to have no further contact with him. She talked also about the pure evil and darkness that she saw in him when he talked about the murders.

That is scary.

I was sure she was going to say, Sure K, CW and I are best buds now. But she was emphatic that she would not maintain contact with him anymore because of the darkness than envelopes him. And that his eyes turned dark and opaque when he spoke about the murders. I think he is smarter than she is, or at least more clever and devious, I don't think she has done much research into the case, and she said as much...that she only looked at the discovery to verify what he said. She insisted that she wanted only the truth in the book. But she already let several huge inconsistencies thru, like his "killing" the children before the discussion with SW on separation, the oxy being in the toxic., the girls having oil in their lungs, etc.
So, I see it as a battle between the author, who does come across well, I think, not sounding silly and uneducated as I had thought she might be. I think she is up against evil personified in CW, and he has been using her to push his narrative.
She alludes to his seeing some kind of evil devils or icons during his murders, I am curious about that, as it was full daylight when he says he finally killed the kids for the last time.

 

[?mysterian?]

I found it on Amazon
"Letters from Christopher: The Tragic Confessions of the Watts Family Murders Paperback – September 26, 2019
by Cheryln Cadle (Author)"

And I'm off to contact them about it.

Thanks @NuttMegg!

ETA: I have contacted Amazon about removing this from their site. I reminded them that they removed accused murderer Ayoola Ajayi's book and asked that they remove this one. I got an automated response that customer service would email me within 12 hours, so we will see.

I'm replying to myself to update everyone: I received a response from Amazon customer service about 4 hours after I emailed them. They thanked me and said they would pass my concerns about the book along to management.

ETA: I didn't know CW's mother had a book out. Now I'm going to see about emailing Amazon about that.

ETA2: I checked on Amazon and Cindy Watts' book is not listed (that I could find anyway).

 

[NuttMegg]

Some interesting things from that "Letters from Christopher" author interview, Cadle says CW never looks people in the eye when speaking with them. She asked him why not, he said he never did with anyone.
As I mentioned above, she says dark opaqueness came over his eyes while he spoke of the murdering, ie describing how it happened.
He says he started to think about killing SW about a month before he did. That flashes would come into his mind about particulars of doing it, and he would try to push them out of his mind.
I'm not going to read Cindy's screed again, but she outlined a CW who was nearly painfully shy, she mentioned "sweet" maybe 10 times, describing him, said he played baseball (but what about all the other sports she mentioned in other interviews?) Basically it sounded like Ronnie never talked to her, CW and Ronnie went to Nascar but never talked to each other on the phone, etc, and that from Cadle via the DailyMail IIRC, Cindy said she was always trying to get CW to tell her what he was thinking. Yeah, guys like that for sure. Now I think that she had a lot more to do with how her son turned out than I would have said a week ago. The movie Psycho keeps popping up in my mind, the way the son turned into a murderer basically because his mother was intensely jealous of his forming attachments with any woman but her. IMO

ETA The interview was pretty good, made me think well of the author, and she wasn't trying to make people like her, I just like the way she speaks, her respect, etc. But as I mentioned above, we'll see, but I think she may not have really done any research into the case, and he is able to slip what he wants to into the book.

She asked him why he never apologized to the Rzuceks for the murders, he said something like "I didn't? Well here, I apologize, and you can include it in every letter I write you."

 

[PommyMommy]

I'm replying to myself to update everyone: I received a response from Amazon customer service about 4 hours after I emailed them. They thanked me and said they would pass my concerns about the book along to management.

Thank you for doing that, mysterian. I'll be right behind you! MOO

 

[PommyMommy]

Some interesting things from that interview, Cadle says CW never looks people in the eye when speaking with them. She asked him why not, he said he never did with anyone.
As I mentioned above, she says dark opaqueness came over his eyes while he spoke of the murdering, ie describing how it happened.
He says he started to think about killing SW about a month before he did. That flashes would come into his mind about particulars of doing it, and he would try to push them out of his mind.
I'm not going to read mommy dearest's screed again, but she outlined a CW who was nearly painfully shy, she mentioned "sweet" maybe 10 times, describing him, said he played baseball (but what about all the other sports she mentioned in other interviews?) Basically it sounded like Ronnie never talked to her, CW and Ronnie went to Nascar but never talked to each other on the phone, etc, and that from Cadle via the DailyMail IIRC, Cindy said she was always trying to get CW to tell her what he was thinking. Yeah, guys like that for sure. Cindy had a lot more to do with how her son turned out than I would have said a week ago. IMO

Trying to imagine that...

Ma: "What are you thinking?"
CW: "Oh, nothing..."
Ma: "Tell me! I insist!"



MOO

 

[?mysterian?]

As if we didn't see their true colors before, during, and after the trial, now the Watts family has lowered themselves even further. They truly are despicable, classless people. IMO.

 

[Gardenista]

I was sure she was going to say, Sure K, we're best buds now. But she was emphatic that she would not maintain contact with him anymore because of the darkness than envelopes him. And that his eyes turned dark and opaque when he spoke about the murders. I think he is smarter than she is, or at least more clever and devious, I don't think she has done much research into the case, and she said as much...that she only looked at the discovery to verify what he said. She insisted that they only wanted the truth in the book. But she already let several huge inconsistencies thru, like his "killing" the children before the discussion with SW on separation, the oxy being in the toxic., the girls having oil in their lungs, etc.
So, I see it as a battle between the author, who does come across well, I think, not sounding coy or spouting biblical phrases like I thought she would. But although I don't do much religion, I think she is up against evil personified in CW, and he has been using her to push a narrative.
She alludes to his seeing some kind of evil devils or icons during his murders, I am curious about that, as it was full daylight when he says he finally killed the kids for the last time.

She said she used the discovery to verify what he said? So she is a liar too. Unsurprising since she LOVES the hateful one.

 

[NuttMegg]

She said she used the discovery to verify what he said? So she is a liar too. Unsurprising since she LOVES the hateful one.

Yeah, the interviewer said something like, paraphrased, I suppose you've gone through the whole discovery, and Cadle says, also paraphrased, no just the parts where I wanted to verify what he said (or facts, something like that) , because, she said she really wanted to make sure the book, if nothing else, was factual. She wouldn't answer many questions, as she has a deal with the DailyMail, and Monday and on they are going to keep reporting on her book, she apparently can't give competing media outlets any of the stuff she gave to the DailyMail. The interviewer and the author had kind of a mutual admiration bit going on during the interview. Complimenting each other, etc. The interviewer actually said, why did you choose me for the interview? And Cadle says Oh I love you! You are strong, fearless, blah blah, I don't have the exact words there.

 

[Nikynoo]

My take: I killed my daughters twice and I'm not sorry, but it's ok because God forgives me.............

 

[Nikynoo]

I have wondered what their reaction will be, especially Dave. I suspect that this will be so troubling for him. And think of all the other people who worked this case.

BTW, I listened to part of the YT interview with the author tonight. She stated that Chris was angry that the investigators just showed up in WI to talk to him. What? Were they suppose to call your secretary for an appointment, you jacks..? He has a huge ego.

BBM, I don't believe this is true. CW didn't have to meet them. UNLESS he was promised privileges for doing so.

 

[molly1255]

Christopher Watts is enjoying himself.

He gets a real kick out of writing these letters. What possible reason other than to stick the knife in further to her family.

However, I agree with what someone posted up thread, is this also taunting his mother?? Now saying he killed the girls twice (total rubbish), she is the only person convinced he didn't, he wants to make absolutely sure she knows he did. Why, I don't know, he's a psychopath.

I agree. IMO, I think he also wants to stick the knife in his mother. Perhaps Ma recognized there was something very wrong with her little Doug-Doug when he was a kid and that's why she was always asking him what he was thinking about? Afraid he was perhaps thinking about killing her?

 

[molly1255]

Then, if true, that would be the Monday after they got back? 6th = Monday, 11th = Saturday restaurant date 13th murders. So he wouldn't have known in NC to try to abort a boy baby.
I'm sorry I haven't paid too much attention to the date they got back from NC. I remember that week though, IIRC CW quickie with NK on Wed night (8 August), CW says he takes off Friday (10th) to take SW to airport, but NUA really did. Restaurant date 11 Aug. then 111 minute pre-murder convo night of 12 Aug.
Does anyone remember if SW went to get sonogram on Monday the 6th? Whatever they call it.

I can't recall for certain, but it was an ultrasound, I believe. Since her text regarding having a boy was on the 6th, it would appear to me Shanann learned the gender that day.

But that contradicts other things I've read that NUA was given the gender and SW asked her to tell her the gender sometime later that week, before going to AZ.

I haven't had time to go back and research the timing of all of this, but I hope to be able to do that soon.

It appears CW knew Shanann was having a boy on the 6th (per the text) and it would be interesting to know how much NK'S desire to give him his first son provided motivation for what he did.

 

[NuttMegg]

I can't recall for certain, but it was an ultrasound, I believe. Since her text regarding having a boy was on the 6th, it would appear to me Shanann learned the gender that day.

But that contradicts other things I've read that NUA was given the gender and SW asked her to tell her the gender sometime later that week, before going to AZ.

I haven't had time to go back and research the timing of all of this, but I hope to be able to do that soon.

It appears CW knew Shanann was having a boy on the 6th (per the text) and it would be interesting to know how much NK'S desire to give him his first son provided motivation for what he did.

It's probably included in some greek tragedy, for the male to kill the male offspring. What I was getting at is that he didn't know while he was in NC and allegedly trying to get SW to miscarry, that it was a male baby. So maybe he was just trying to kill her, or the baby whatever gender it was. Or maybe whatever.

 

[molly1255]

It's probably included in some greek tragedy, for the male to kill the male offspring. What I was getting at is that he didn't know while he was in NC and allegedly trying to get SW to miscarry, that it was a male baby. So maybe he was just trying to kill her, or the baby whatever gender it was. Or maybe whatever.

JMO, he didn't know the baby's gender when they were in NC. The gender may not have mattered to him.

He was done with Shanann and he was also done with Bella and Celeste, too.