Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34, dec.), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #3

[pocketaccent]

My prediction, he will commit suicide.

He isn't the brightest bulb in the chandelier. Not at all. Once he finally realizes the kind of trouble he is in, he will want to die but when he tries to commit suicide, he will just end up injuring himself only. I'm quite certain his IQ is below average.

 

[margarita25]

He isn't the brightest bulb in the chandelier. Not at all. Once he finally realizes the kind of trouble he is in, he will want to die but when he tries to commit suicide, he will just end up injuring himself only. I'm quite certain his IQ is below average.

What was his specific duty at Anadarko? Sorry if mentioned already.

Yikes, just had a thought, do “family annihilators” ever assault other women I wonder? Iirc from the profile on WIRED UK, they are usually not known to LE.

 

[bowler]

I wonder if they checked the tapes to see if he was early/late to work since it was part of the story. And, then they noticed his suspicious behavior.

ETA: When I say “part if the story” I mean his leaving for work at 5:15 am. Was that the typical time...?

Agree, LE putting together timeline from his own words........

 

[The Farm]

Do they have him under suicide watch? I do not remember seeing anything on that.

 

[gitana1]

again I am relieved he hit so many of you this way

did not want to appear that i thought i was Jung!



I too, think there was abuse (like you say it takes many forms ) they were both into the look like the perfect family

but then we can get confused by some of the videos

i don't do FB or twitter or any of that stuff

but lets be honest who is posting a picture of their spouse screaming or there kids crying!

that stuff on there is fantasy world moo waste of time




I felt like that too at the end he just like was ready to go!!

no pat on the back nothing

like two people on a subway platform!!

liked the judge tho!!



which would fit into power control issues -- feelings of insecurity ( to be frank he was ugly and gross in that video presentation -- quite different now - imo current photos and videos nice handsome sexy looking guy

makes some sense he would want to test his attractiveness after looking like a schelp for so many years!

I wonder if his defense attorney has little kids.

 

[PommyMommy]

I wonder if he had a deep seeded hate and/or resentment towards women. I wonder if his kids were boys, if he still would have killed them. Is resentment towards a women a general characteristic in “family annhilators”?

Someone linked this article recently, but I've not had time to study it. When skimming, this jumped out at me:

The father is almost always considering suicide as the only escape from some sort of financial crisis. Murdering his family members, then, becomes a way of rescuing them from the hardship and shame of bankruptcy and suicide. "There is no other solution but the one you find today," wrote Russell Gilman, a Scottsdale attorney who murdered his wife and two kids after the family finances fell apart, in a note he left behind. (Economic duress can also play a role in rage killings, though it's not usually the main trigger.)

Inside the Mind of Family Annihilators

 

[enelram]

What was his specific duty at Anadarko? Sorry if mentioned already.

Yikes, just had a thought, do “family annihilators” ever assault other women I wonder? Iirc from the profile on WIRED UK, they are usually not known to LE.

MSM says he was an operator. I looked up operators at oil and gas companies and it seems they operate equipment like cranes or
equipment that helps assemble pipes.

 

[CARIIS]

Oh goodness

the answers are in his presentation!

listening to it now


you get bored

you might meet a new person

which could become something else

relationship begins to fall apart

work hobbies distract you

spend less time with each other

make promises that turn into betrayal

( I think she had an affair and it devastated him years ago )

this stuff is stuff he RELATED to

you cant communicate when your phone -- the friend said she was constantly on her phone and in his interview he said well her blowing me off is no big deal (data there) but when she did not respond to her friends....

a lot about feeling ignored

do i have a moral responsibility to stay in this relationship
do i desire to keep this relationship going
is it a necessity ($$) to stay in relationship

infidelity if you meet someone and slowly realize that the new person is more interesting

you must have lust in a relationship

dont see anything in common any longer

you feel you might be off with someone else you met

you feel your putting in more than your getting

there is so much in this 9 minutes -- totally fits with his we had an emotional conversation --like he tried all this stuff that night and it was just hopeless

all behavior has meaning - there is a reason why - for a class - he chose deteriorating relationships

but imo ya know what was the most telling was :

this piece

do i have a moral responsibility to stay in this relationship (kids)
do i desire to keep this relationship going (lust)
is it a necessity to stay in relationship (($$) kids-feeling trapped

moo

 

[molly1255]

I totally agree. Sociopaths rarely confess and when they do, it is not within days. He is certainly on the spectrum though. Moo.

I'm not a professional, but I see Scott Peterson as being a sociopath/psychopath. He's never confessed and he put his wife's family through unbelievable hell with his many lies. They had to wait for four months before her body and the baby's body washed up in San Francisco Bay before they knew, for sure, that they had been murdered.

With CW, he tried to hide his heartless and hideous crime, and he gave bizarro interviews after to try to make people believe he had no idea what happened to his family. But unlike Scott Peterson, CW caved rather quickly. Is this a sign of genuine remorse and conscience, or did he cave because he was presented by LE with proof that he killed them and hid their bodies and he had no choice but to admit it?

I really don't know at this point.

 

[CARIIS]

I wonder if CW was on steroids. People that get into fitness sometimes go overboard with body imagine. I’ve seen it time and time again where people see great results and want more, more, more.

our doctor

Q: What is your hourly rate to consult with an attorney?
A: $400/hour
Q: What is your hourly rate to review documents?
A: $400/hour
Q: What is your hourly rate to provide deposition testimony?
A: $800/hour, 3 hour minimum
Q: What is your hourly rate to provide testimony at trial?
A: $800/hour, 3 hours minimum

 

[Smarty Jones]

MLM folks usually start doing it because they need the money or they want discounted products. The people who are really into are usually in it with hopes to make lots of money. They typically post constantly on social media - it’s a perfect platform for free advertising, and it’s strongly encouraged. But, it’s not free, it comes with a hefty price for people who don’t want to be judged by hundreds if not thousands of people on SM as a failure if it doesn’t work. So, they stay in it even when it’s not paying the bills. I think that’s where it has a big potential to destroy a person or family. It’s sad!

A friend in my industry has recently joined an MLM nutritional/weight loss company. She has been in it about 6 weeks. I don't know why she's doing it, she makes a very good living and so does her husband. She's been to the company 'convention' and is hyping the program on Facebook. (It's not LeVel) She was not overweight when she began and is a very attractive lady. She's a Type A personality and very outgoing. No kids, but rescues dogs. I saw her last week and she looks drawn and pale, she has lost weight. I did some research on the company's products and the health quotient is 2.5 out of 5 according to a wellness group. Not exactly a good endorsement. I'm only commenting because now I'm worried.

 

[RavenCC2020]

There are many men out there who hate women but 'need them'.
Deep down they have deep resentment towards them (and usually their mothers also) but the men 'need' women for sex, companionship, being taken care of etc.
There is a book from the 80's called something like "Abusive Men
and the Women Who Love Them". was written by a psychologist/
counselor and discusses this phenomenon. Usually caused by
a poor relationship with the men's mother while growing up.

I read that one too. It was very enlightening for me and I picked it up to read because my BF had moved in with me trying to escape her abusive husband. I was desperate to find a way to understand her better so I could help her to not go back. It had become a pattern of hers to leave him then after a short period of time, return on her own as a result of a phone call or even dropping by to see if he was "ok".

That is why these relationships are not cut and dry and easily to detangle because of the dynamics involved. We tend to think only of the abuser so we can't understand why someone stays with such a person. It is more complex then this. This is a two person relationship and both spouse's feed off of each other's issues. One can not exist without the other. For women in particular it is sad because she is usually the one being abused but if she does successfully leave him it is not uncommon for her to enter a new relationship with the very same type of partner. It's maddening. It took my friend years to get away from her abusive husband. She moved out of state, he followed her. She got her own apartment with her young son and her parents took her on a cruise. Abusive husband had been watching her house and realized she wasn't coming home at night and had no idea where she was. He broke into her apartment and spent what must have been HOURS taking scissors and cutting up all her clothes, breaking her shoes, breaking everything in her apartment that COULD possibly be broken. A normal person in a fit of anger may have thrown something out of frustration. But to be there hour upon hour to destroy everything she owned takes a special kind of crazy. She did file for divorce immediately after this after her family, me and other friends pleading with her to file for divorce and get a restraining order. His actions showed a man clearly out of control and dangerous to a new level of violence. He had already been physically abusive, the next step was possibly killing her or their son. Apparently she felt the same and finally dealt with it. She's been remarried for 20 years to a sweetheart of a guy. So women can and do escape and make a happy life for themselves.

 

[Davia18]

Another option - in his mind (NOT MINE)
His family is his everything and Shanann thinks she's going to take that away from him and potential someday sharing herself and his children with another man. Therefore if he kills them no one else can have them because they are HIS.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

The story her Instagram account tells is one where over the past three years, she lost weight, grew her hair out, and greatly increased her self-confidence.

This, combined with the financial pressures, make me wonder if he was losing his sense of power/worthiness in the marriage.

But he was getting in shape, getting tattoos, and lost weight as well, so in some regards it appears they were in the "self-improvement" trend together. Its not as if he was sitting on the couch gaining weight while his wife was becoming "hot," but some men do not react positively when their wives lose weight - it threatens them somehow.

 

[KALI]

WOW. Just wow.

Instagram post with a video that is a series of photos of CW and Shannan from the beginning of their relationship, to their wedding, and then pregnant with kids... posted by Shannan for their 7 year anniversary.

Thrive Healthy Fit Mom on Instagram: “7 years ago I️ fell in love with you, 5 years ago I️ married my best friend, my soul mate, I️ married you!! Chris these have been the best…”

So frikking sad.

 

[cattlekate]

Im sorry if this offends anyone. I’m having a hard time seeing CW as being a physically or emotionally abusive person. From past experiences I’m usually pretty good at spotting signs. I’m sure I’m the minority here, but I see SW as wearing the pants. If CW was abusive towards SW I highly doubt he would “allow” her to travel the way she does, especially for 6 weeks. I don’t think he would “allow” her to post as much as she did on SM and especially not pics in a bathing suit, I just don’t see it. I have a suspicion that she wanted out and he went off the deep end. I’m in no way, shape or form victim blaming - he is to blame. Is anyone else having the same thoughts as me?

I am. Guess I’ll wait to see what their debt was, but financial burdens are crippling emotionally and help to make you not think straight.

 

[margarita25]

Someone linked this article recently, but I've not had time to study it. When skimming, this jumped out at me:

The father is almost always considering suicide as the only escape from some sort of financial crisis. Murdering his family members, then, becomes a way of rescuing them from the hardship and shame of bankruptcy and suicide. "There is no other solution but the one you find today," wrote Russell Gilman, a Scottsdale attorney who murdered his wife and two kids after the family finances fell apart, in a note he left behind. (Economic duress can also play a role in rage killings, though it's not usually the main trigger.)

Inside the Mind of Family Annihilators

I really am surprised he didn’t immediately kill himself. Selfish man, to the last second.

 

[Herat]

So you think when he unloaded his truck with the bodies and climbed a ladder or whatever and opened it and put it in, alarms were going off?

And it was all on video? I mean they would've found the bodies on Monday if that was the case, I think?

I mean there would have been e-mails from the monitoring devices to plant safety / security staff. Emails as if a piece of equipment was failing or not performing within standards. It would then be up to safety / security people to further investigate. Maybe they look at cameras. They are likely in a central location many mikes away from the actual tanks and need to send someone out there. By the time security arrived, he might have been long gone.

I'm not saying that loud audible alarms & flashing lights would be going off.

And, as someone else pointed out, Anadarko had shut down a large # of older wells in the general area after the fatal April 17 gas explosion in Firestone, CO and may not have been servicing or monitoring the associated tanks in that area.

Anadarko needs to provide info to LE and ultimately the public

 

[Momma2cam]

I'm not a professional, but I see Scott Peterson as being a sociopath/psychopath. He's never confessed and he put his wife's family through unbelievable hell with his many lies. They had to wait for four months before her body and the baby's body washed up in San Francisco Bay before they knew, for sure, that they had been murdered.

With CW, he tried to hide his heartless and hideous crime, and he gave bizarro interviews after to try to make people believe he had no idea what happened to his family. But unlike Scott Peterson, CW caved rather quickly. Is this a sign of genuine remorse and conscience, or did he cave because he was presented by LE with proof that he killed them and hid their bodies and he had no choice but to admit it?

I really don't know at this point.

It is hard to know without more information. But, the thing with psychopaths is they still do not admit wrongdoing when faced with proof. Everything is always someone else's fault. Everything.

 

[haven71]

I'm not a professional, but I see Scott Peterson as being a sociopath/psychopath. He's never confessed and he put his wife's family through unbelievable hell with his many lies. They had to wait for four months before her body and the baby's body washed up in San Francisco Bay before they knew, for sure, that they had been murdered.

With CW, he tried to hide his heartless and hideous crime, and he gave bizarro interviews after to try to make people believe he had no idea what happened to his family. But unlike Scott Peterson, CW caved rather quickly. Is this a sign of genuine remorse and conscience, or did he cave because he was presented by LE with proof that he killed them and hid their bodies and he had no choice but to admit it?

I really don't know at this point.

It’s odd, but it really seems that CW gives ZERO F**** about what happened, and even that he’s “caught” or so easily confessed. He doesn’t seem to care about anything, he is just completely apathetic.