CO - Shannan Watts & Daughters Bella & CeCe Murdered By Chris Watts - *LWOP* #74

[Deleted member 19575]

That's why you can't assume rage. His family should be looked into, ie when his aberrant behavior manifested itself and why they didn't do anything to get him help.

It's not normal to skip your only son's wedding then visit him in prison after he murders and desecrates your grandchildren and tell him "i love you son, I don't care what you did".

Watts was damaged goods long before he unfortunately convinced Shanann to marry him.

His problems were nurtured and curated long before he started disregarding the value of money as a married man.

Watts had no intention of achieving success thru work ethics, he told the FBI/CBI on Feb 18, 2019 that he was happy to work at Anadarko because all he had to do was show up to get paid. Where as his commission work at the dealership required output.
HIs crimes had nothing to do with her home business. What was she supposed to do, be lazy like him? Avoid making decisions and avoid responsibility as he lived his apathetic life?

If that type of murder doesn't bespeak rage, what does? I mean, who are you more likely to feel total rage and anger and hatred for....a total stranger? Of course it's going to be someone you know and are intimate with.

 

[mickey2942]

If that type of murder doesn't bespeak rage, what does? I mean, who are you more likely to feel total rage and anger and hatred for....a total stranger? Of course it's going to be someone you know and are intimate with.

I always find these cases interesting. Was it premeditated? Some are, some are not.

Are there any signs? Clues a partner can identify? Obviously, SW did not think CW was a threat, or she would not have left the children with him.

 

[Deleted member 19575]

I always find these cases interesting. Was it premeditated? Some are, some are not.

Are there any signs? Clues a partner can identify? Obviously, SW did not think CW was a threat, or she would not have left the children with him.

He'd never been abusive to her or the kids, that we know of, which is probably why it was surprising. He seemed "normal" and a regular guy and not known to be violent. We never heard about him being violent. The thing with most family annihilators is that they kill themselves as well.
A few years back there was a story in my home town, "young mom", with 2 kids, disappeared and was missing. The father of the two kids was on tv news and he was this doofusy kid, both were barely 21 years old. Meanwhile, her dismembered remains were found outside of town and yep! The doofusy kid did it.
Apparently, he'd strangled her in his kitchen and cut her legs off. We never heard of any motive, but it sounded like pure rage. In this case, he didn't kill her when she was pregnant, he didn't kill the kids, he killed HER. But dismembering her suggests a lot of rage toward her, not the kids or anyone else.

 

[iluvmua]

He should have packed up and left when Shannan was in North Carolina for 6 weeks

 

[NuttMegg]

Watts spoke and wrote about his premeditation, about matter of factly planning and carrying out the murders of his children, which he had to do twice to finalize their last breaths. Before stuffing them in oil tanks so they " wouldn't wake up again". Poisoning Shanann on July 31, trying to kill her fetus with the drugs supplied by a person whose name he would protect to the grave. This was 2 weeks before the slaughter, with added time beforehand for planning the poisoning. (from 12 lengthy hand-written letters and 5 hr LE voluntary interview with FBI/CBI Feb 18, 2019)

He cooly slithered into Tammy's "out" that Shanann did it. Nope, no rage there either, no sadness, no regret as he stuffed his placid face with pizza, picked his nose and occasionally glanced at the pics of his kids on the table.

The disposal of the bodies was near perfect, without losing the hours from the flight delay he might have carried out the dismembering of Shanann's body to fit in the tanks.

I understand completely from whom, and from where the narrative arose. We watched it online as family reps innundated the sites with the formula....and helpers constantly tried to push it on WS too.....

Inevitable, excusable family murder due to aggressive wifey, having the nerve to - gasp - put her kids on facebook to help market her home business. And it was an MLM! She stored inventory in the basement! What's a guy to do but murder the kids who were too thin, had hair too short, probably came from extramarital affairs anyway, the sites droned on while gaining clicks & $$.

Show me the "rage".

 

[Deleted member 19575]

Watts spoke and wrote about his premeditation, about matter of factly planning and carrying out the murders of his children, which he had to do twice to finalize their last breaths. Before stuffing them in oil tanks so they " wouldn't wake up again". Poisoning Shanann on July 31, trying to kill her fetus with the drugs supplied by a person whose name he would protect to the grave. This was 2 weeks before the slaughter, with added time beforehand for planning the poisoning. (from 12 lengthy hand-written letters and 5 hr LE voluntary interview with FBI/CBI Feb 18, 2019)

He cooly slithered into Tammy's "out" that Shanann did it. Nope, no rage there either, no sadness, no regret as he stuffed his placid face with pizza, picked his nose and occasionally glanced at the pics of his kids on the table.

The disposal of the bodies was near perfect, without losing the hours from the flight delay he might have carried out the dismembering of Shanann's body to fit in the tanks.

I understand completely from whom, and from where the narrative arose. We watched it online as family reps innundated the sites with the formula....and helpers constantly tried to push it on WS too.....

Inevitable, excusable family murder due to aggressive wifey, having the nerve to - gasp - put her kids on facebook to help market her home business. And it was an MLM! She stored inventory in the basement! What's a guy to do but murder the kids who were too thin, had hair too short, probably came from extramarital affairs anyway, the sites droned on while gaining clicks & $$.

Show me the "rage".

Every single bit of that premeditation is rage that built over years.
They were in a miserable, unhappy marriage. Don't underestimate what someone can do when they're miserable, desperate and angry.
Just because he didn't walk around screaming and yelling, and was able to coolly plan a homicide, doesn't mean he wasn't steaming with rage against his wife.

 

[NuttMegg]

Every single bit of that premeditation is rage that built over years.
They were in a miserable, unhappy marriage. Don't underestimate what someone can do when they're miserable, desperate and angry.
Just because he didn't walk around screaming and yelling, and was able to coolly plan a homicide, doesn't mean he wasn't steaming with rage against his wife.

Show me one sign that they were in a miserable, unhappy marriage.
In the FBI interview (5 hours) he said, specifically that Shanann never belittled him. He never said they were unhappy, he said they loved and took care of each other.

So who, besides you, has deemed their marriage miserable and unhappy? His mother? His mistress ? They don't count.

You have no evidence that either of them were miserable, angry, or desperate.

Watts said nothing to his co-workers or friends about being miserable or unhappy. Before he started the affair. Since then he has stated he would still be happily married if he hadn't had the affair. And he wished he could have done it all over and stayed just office friends.

Watts was "steaming with rage"? Source please.

Please post evidence of the 2 people actually married to each other for many years that they had a miserable and unhappy marriage. None of the friends said that either in ALL those interviews. Quite the opposite.

I have to ask you to source your information. Mine comes from discovery, additional interviews, his own handwritten letters now in possession of the FBI, from interviews with his co-workers, and mutual friends. And interviews with CBI/FBI/FPD.

 

[Deleted member 19575]

Show me one sign that they were in a miserable, unhappy marriage.
In the FBI interview (5 hours) he said, specifically that Shanann never belittled him. He never said they were unhappy, he said they loved and took care of each other.

So who, besides you, has deemed their marriage miserable and unhappy? His mother? His mistress ? They don't count.

You have no evidence that either of them were miserable, angry, or desperate.

Watts said nothing to his co-workers or friends about being miserable or unhappy. Before he started the affair. Since then he has stated he would still be happily married if he hadn't had the affair. And he wished he could have done it all over and stayed just office friends.

Watts was "steaming with rage"? Source please.

Please post evidence of the 2 people actually married to each other for many years that they had a miserable and unhappy marriage. None of the friends said that either in ALL those interviews. Quite the opposite.

I have to ask you to source your information. Mine comes from discovery, additional interviews, his own handwritten letters now in possession of the FBI, from interviews with his co-workers, and mutual friends. And interviews with CBI/FBI

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They probably seemed happy and acted happy, but we don't know what happens between two people in private.
How often do we hear "oh they seemed so happy" or "he seemed like a normal guy", but we don't know what goes on in private or in their own minds.

 

[Vaderman]

In one letter, Watts referred to his mistress, Nichol Kessinger, writing, “I was misled, I was tempted by a harlot. I was weak, and I allowed myself to be fooled by an evil woman. She led me from the path of righteousness. I know that you will deal with her someday.”

“She will be judged. You know my heart, Lord. I am a man after your heart, I seek your face. I allowed her to sway me.”

‘I Was Tempted by a Harlot’: Killer Chris Watts Pens Letters to God in Prison, Claims Wife and ‘Evil Women’ Drove Him to Murder

Letters reportedly written by convicted killer Chris Watts from prison blame the women in his life for his actions, including the 2018 murders of his pregnant wife and two daughters. NewsNation reports that DailyMail obtained letters in which Watts addresses God, describing women as the cause of...

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He has some very unhealthy attitudes about women, to put it mildly.

 

[NuttMegg]

He has some very unhealthy attitudes about women, to put it mildly.

Who knows how a man will turn out when his own mother won't attend his own wedding. Probably teaching him from birth to avoid making decisions she doesn't approve of, or else. So where did he get his attitudes but from home.

Imo

 

[NuttMegg]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed> They were in a miserable, unhappy marriage. Don't underestimate what someone can do when they're miserable, desperate and angry.

Just because he didn't walk around screaming and yelling, and was able to coolly plan a homicide, doesn't mean he wasn't steaming with rage against his wife.

Nothing in the facts of the case back this up. It's a way to take the blame from him. Imo

 

[Moon at Sea]

And killing a pregnant woman/girl: this kind of crime almost inevitably happens when there is no real relationship: teenagers, or one of them is involved with someone else, or the marriage is in trouble, but either way, it's the father who does not want the baby. And in many cases, it's understandable to not want a child when you're broke, or your marriage is in the shitter, or you're a stupid teenager with no money.
There's always what they call a Precipitant, that 'sets it off' and it's not always something that directly relates to the murders. We may never know what it is, but in this case, I think it was ultimately financially motivated.

Maybe he shouldn't have impregnated her if he didn't want a third. He knew where babies come from.

 

[pukasonqo2]

He could just left, many of us have been in miserable relationships and chose to move on as difficult as it was financially and emotionally

 

[NuttMegg]

He could just left, many of us have been in miserable relationships and chose to move on as difficult as it was financially and emotionally

He said repeatedly that he never told her he was having an affair. Never, even as he murdered her. A man so twisted, gutless, and devoid of humanity it was easier for him to literally murder his wife than confess to having an affair. Not to mention murdering the kids, one of which was in diapers, the 4 year old Bella begging for her life after he made her watch him kill her sister. "Oh, I think I'll just stuff them in an oil tank, through a hole as large as a normal countertop tea kettle", said no father ever.

 

[Deleted member 19575]

Regardless of what he told or didn't tell her....the crime was motivated by revenge, money and sex.
Rage isn't always visible to the rest of us. Look at all the mass shooters and school shooters who carefully planned their crimes.

 

[Deleted member 19575]

Maybe he shouldn't have impregnated her if he didn't want a third. He knew where babies come from.

It takes two to create a kid. That's one of the problems here: they weren't on the same page and weren't communicating.

 

[Deleted member 19575]

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There's no doubt that he did not want that baby, and when she announced it live on Facebook, my eyes kind of crossed. Somehow I feel like that broke the camel's back. He felt she was trapping him and that's probably what precipitated the crime. He was never abusive to her, never violent- until she got pregnant.

 

[Bekind89]

There's no doubt that he did not want that baby, and when she announced it live on Facebook, my eyes kind of crossed. Somehow I feel like that broke the camel's back. He felt she was trapping him and that's probably what precipitated the crime. He was never abusive to her, never violent- until she got pregnant.

And yet HE is the one who wanted to have another baby, not her. He had to talk her into another pregnancy, he told her he wanted a son.
With all due respect, no matter how toxic a marriage may be, to brutally murder your two little girls, both of whom adored him, and stomp their little bodies into an oil battery is beyond diabolical.
Yes, evil is an appropriate word to describe the child killing .

 

[Boxer]

If that type of murder doesn't bespeak rage, what does? I mean, who are you more likely to feel total rage and anger and hatred for....a total stranger? Of course it's going to be someone you know and are intimate with.

Murder for gain is cold blooded, not a rage event.

 

[Boxer]

He should have packed up and left when Shannan was in North Carolina for 6 weeks

Exactly. This was cold blooded greed.