CO - Shannan Watts & Daughters Bella & CeCe Murdered By Chris Watts - *LWOP* #74

[Boxer]

He gets the office girl and gets free of his marriage and fatherhood, without becoming impoverished by child support.

 

[Bekind89]

He gets the office girl and gets free of his marriage and fatherhood, without becoming impoverished by child support.

Not to mention the life insurance money. I really believe that was a big part of his motive as well.

 

[Boxer]

Not to mention the life insurance money. I really believe that was a big part of his motive as well.

Right. So how is any lady trying to save her marriage as she is popularly thought to supposed to be doing, in any way to blame for any of this.
Unfortunately, she did make a mistake by marrying him.

 

[PommyMommy]

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There's no doubt that he did not want that baby, and when she announced it live on Facebook, my eyes kind of crossed. Somehow I feel like that broke the camel's back. He felt she was trapping him and that's probably what precipitated the crime. He was never abusive to her, never violent- until she got pregnant.

Huh?! She didn't trap him. That is a cruel insinuation and more victim blaming, IMO.

CW told LE in one of his first, if not THE first interview, about how he and Shanann discussed the pros and cons of a third baby.

Frank Rzucek told LE in his interview he believed they were trying for another baby, and that Shanann called to tell them when she learned she was pregnant.

CW's friend Josh testified that CW was excited about the baby. In fact, Josh said in his LE interview that on the day of the ultrasound (prior to Shanann's trip to AZ), he said something along the lines of "today's the day, right?" And CW said yes, and "I'm excited."

Numerous friends gave testimony that CW and Shanann were BOTH excited about the pregnancy. Many of them said he wanted a boy.

It was not until after Shanann was in NC and CW was banging his side piece that that all changed. And it was clearly evident from the text messages between CW and Shanann that his not wanting the baby was as she called a "360 turnaround." He said, he "thought it would fix his feelings." That would seem to indicate the pregnancy was planned, no?

Every bit of what I've relayed above is in the discovery. Please read it. MOO

 

[NuttMegg]

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She didn't know until 11 August, at night while she was on a business trip. In another state. He killed her the morning of Aug 13. Note she was out developing her business, while he spent at least $120 of joint finances on his mistress, leaving the children with a babysitter, the first time to do so while their mother was gone.

It wasn't a tragedy. He is an unprovoked stone cold premeditated confessed baby murderer. Twist as you like, no way to blame Shanann for it.

 

[NuttMegg]

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There's no doubt that he did not want that baby, and when she announced it live on Facebook, my eyes kind of crossed. Somehow I feel like that broke the camel's back. He felt she was trapping him and that's probably what precipitated the crime. He was never abusive to her, never violent- until she got pregnant.

There is no evidence that Shanann announced her pregnancy "live" on facebook. Just because a video appears online does not make it " live".

That's what is called a straw man argument. Accuse her of something, say it broke the camel's back, state that it probably precipitated a horrible crime, then he was abusive to her because of her own actions.

All because of her supposed posting of a video "live" on facebook while you haven't shown proof of it.

Yet again blaming her for her own murder, imo.

 

[HongKongPhooey]

yeah, but the motive isn't really CONTROL. There are three pillars of homicide: sex, money, revenge.
I think in THIS case, it was all three. He had an affair. They were trapped in debt. He wanted revenge on Shannan for a number of what he saw as "wrongs".

I don’t think he wanted “revenge” at all. And I think you missed at least one motivation for murder.

I think he wanted to clear the decks so he could get his end away with the woman he was besotted with.

And by clearing the decks, that meant murdering in cold blood the mother of his children, their unborn child, and those two beautiful little girls.

 

[Kittypoo]

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There's no doubt that he did not want that baby, and when she announced it live on Facebook, my eyes kind of crossed. Somehow I feel like that broke the camel's back. He felt she was trapping him and that's probably what precipitated the crime. He was never abusive to her, never violent- until she got pregnant.

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Hey I was just curious for a motive for him to commit such a heinous act ultimately how did he think he could live happily ever after that! JMO

 

[Deleted member 19575]

I don’t think he wanted “revenge” at all. And I think you missed at least one motivation for murder.

I think he wanted to clear the decks so he could get his end away with the woman he was besotted with.

And by clearing the decks, that meant murdering in cold blood the mother of his children, their unborn child, and those two beautiful little girls.

He wanted revenge for what he saw as "ruining his life".
Revenge, sex/jealousy, and money are the three pillars of murder. Clearing the decks was motivated by sex, money and revenge.
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I actually don't think he planned that murder the way it happened. That speaks of a rage killing.

 

[NuttMegg]

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As I alluded to, there is a difference between uploading a video onto facebook and streaming a "live".

There is no proof that she produced a live stream of the day she told him about the pregnancy.

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[Deleted member 19575]

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As I alluded to, there is a difference between uploading a video onto facebook and streaming a "live".

There is no proof that she produced a live stream of the day she told him about the pregnancy.

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Whatever it was, she presented a video on YT announcing her pregnancy to her husband. A very private moment.
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[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Stop the back and forth bickering or Time Outs will be issued.

Thank you.

 

[HMSHood]

I looked up Chris Watts. He showed signs of conflicted avoidant and narcissistic psychopathy. He reminds me of Dylan Klebold, Elliot Rodger, and Ronald Gene Simmons.

Inside the mind of a killer: Psychology experts discuss Chris Watts' behavior following family's murder

When convicted killer Christopher Watts spoke to Denver7 and then later to investigators last August, it was what he did not say and do that raised a lot of eyebrows.

www.denver7.com

Columbine: Personality Profile of Dylan Klebold

 

[Tweet57]

I just hope CW and NK are mentally tortured 24/7. One of the worst crimes ever. IMO

 

[Kittypoo]

I just hope CW and NK are mentally tortured 24/7. One of the worst crimes ever. IMO

Do you think she was in on it too?

 

[Tia218]

Whatever it was, she presented a video on YT announcing her pregnancy to her husband. A very private moment.
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Per first ultrasound on June 19th, her dating of pregnancy to friends and Nico's size at passing he was conceived around May 7-9th 2018, with first day of last period being roughly April 24/26.
Meaning that that day is when the fertilized egg implanted and began to divide. The egg is released at ovulation and dies within 24 hours.

*SW posted an image of Bella and Cece on May 8th writing 'imagine these 2 as 3' sic*

Sounds to me that she knew that was the correct time to not use protection, with CW even saying in Feb 19 interview it had been last time they were intimate.
Most women notice their period is late and test in less than 14 days after unprotected sex when trying these days. Her confirming the pregnancy video appeared to happen long after that, why did she delay sharing if both excited for another baby.

 

[Tia218]

I looked up Chris Watts. He showed signs of conflicted avoidant and narcissistic psychopathy. He reminds me of Dylan Klebold, Elliot Rodger, and Ronald Gene Simmons.

I don't see it at all, not in any of the interviews claiming to know his personality. From his interviews and comments to a wife he claimed to no longer loved?

Until that summer's events where he is lying to his wife, and when he is lying to police, how can that be indicitive of his entire personality?
We don't know the content of his inperson conversations, some 90% of his interactions with people, its pretty easy to hide the full extent of personality in written word or when under immense stress ime.

 

[Lucy6226]

Per first ultrasound on June 19th, her dating of pregnancy to friends and Nico's size at passing he was conceived around May 7-9th 2018, with first day of last period being roughly April 24/26.
Meaning that that day is when the fertilized egg implanted and began to divide. The egg is released at ovulation and dies within 24 hours.

*SW posted an image of Bella and Cece on May 8th writing 'imagine these 2 as 3' sic*

Sounds to me that she knew that was the correct time to not use protection, with CW even saying in Feb 19 interview it had been last time they were intimate.
Most women notice their period is late and test in less than 14 days after unprotected sex when trying these days. Her confirming the pregnancy video appeared to happen long after that, why did she delay sharing if both excited for another baby.

A lot of pregnant women don't share their pregnancy news until the 12 week mark when the risk of miscarriage reduces. Some people do share earlier, but there's nothing odd about waiting to share the news imo

 

[Boxer]

If a man gets snookered into a third baby. Is that a mitigating factor for family annihilation?

 

[Lucy6226]

If a man gets snookered into a third baby. Is that a mitigating factor for family annihilation?

I know right. Like condoms or vasectomies aren't a valid option!