Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, Chaffee Co, 10 May 2020 #81 *arrest*

[Hair of the Dog]

Two things caught my eye. Both BBM.

As I understand it, the location where the bike was found WAS on the road out of the Puma Path neighborhood. If I have misunderstood this all along, someone please let me know!

Also about Suzanne's clothing -- we've seen from photos that she had many teal/turquoise items of clothing. So I don't necessarily assume that BM being seen with something teal means it was her riding jacket. In fact, since she didn't actually go on a ride, her riding clothes were probably not contaminated with any evidence. And while it would make sense for BM to dispose of her "alibi" clothes she theoretically went missing in, he didn't seem to have done that with her other biking items other than the helmet. Her shorts and gloves were found at home. (I don't necessarily think a newbie rider would have multiple pairs of biking shorts although obviously it's a possibility.)

MOO

JMO, but I believe the OP perhaps meant to say that Suzanne's helmet was found in the opposite direction of that which BM would have taken to Broomfield.

ETA: If I buy shorts/pants for working out, I usually buy more than 1 pair so I don't have to wash them every time that I wear them. Suzanne, according to her sister's interview with Chris from the Interview Room said that Suzanne loved clothes, so it would not surprise me if she had a few outfits she wore biking.

 

[10ofRods]

There would be no downside to the Arizona move, from Suzanne's point of view....whether its Barry or Barry and Suzanne. I think Suzanne was aware that the only way to get money out of the Puma house was to sell it....Even if she made a ruse move to Arizona, temporarily....getting that house sold was a big piece of the puzzle for her. I do think she would string him along until she had access to funds that were tied up in that house...especially her half a mil. If you think about it...she was already stringing him along just by staying in the house. But that had to change, one way or another. The AZ move would be a win-win for Suzanne, imo.

The downside would be that she (or they) would be far away from their daughters, the youngest of whom had but one year till HS graduation. I think that would be a huge downside for Suzanne.

I also don't think she was planning on living with Barry going on forward and the whole point of her "looking at houses" in between May 6 and May 9 was to find a new place to live. The downside to moving to AZ with Barry is that she couldn't then begin a new phase of life with JL.

There was some kind of balloon payment due on PP. If they had sold the Indiana house (I believe they netted almost $700,000 from that) and also the PP path house (they had about $600,000 in equity there), they could have each had a nice house...somewhere. Unless they had some big debts somewhere. I still feel there's something off about these variation real estate transactions. Indeed, we have no idea if the new owners (an LLC IIRC) of PP actually paid cash, got a mortgage or whether Barry accepted paper as part of the deal.

I do wonder how much he actually has on hand for attorney fees.

 

[Monty Ma]

Ashley Franco @AshleyKKTV 52s
Texts go on to say that #SuzanneMorphew morning before she went missing-- she allegedly messages Jeff Libler telling him she had a fine night and looked at houses for sale. She follows that with "Still talk about Arizona." @KKTV11News
Since we know that BM was talking about moving to Arizona after SM disappeared, perhaps it was discussed between them before the move to Colorado. Maybe SM preferred a Colorado move and BM leaned toward an Arizona move and the final decision was Colorado. She chose the house and her money was sunk into it so it's possible that she was given the final say in where to move. We know from the PH that SM wanted to stay in the Salida area and was searching for a home in the area. My thoughts are that BM still wanted to move to Arizona and that this was not a destination being discussed for SM and JL. IMO

 

[Hair of the Dog]

Where is Suzanne?
The truck door opens once without the lights going on. Suburban people do that when leaving very early a.m. like for a flight, they open their car door and leave it a little open as they make load trips to avoid distrubing their neighbors.
In the still of a mountain night, a vehicle door can be heard a very long way.
It would not be disturbing, but possibly noted.

Truck light quote same article cited above by @charminglane

Barry Morphew appears emotionless for preliminary hearing - ImmigrationNewsAustralia

RSBBM That is such an important point about sound carrying and it is my biggest problem with the theory that Barry used an ATV to dispose of Suzanne's body after dark.

I believe he was worried about his boots being linked to the disposal site, but tracks from an ATV would present the same dilemma as footprints when it comes to leaving a trail. I think the miles on his truck that he couldn't account for is an important piece of the puzzle.

 

[Love Never Fails]

And it's the very reason LE holds investigations close to the vest.

They want the suspect to find out what evidence has been discovered under controlled (by them) conditions so the creep has to think fast. He already thinks he's smarter than LE plus he panics and spills extra info.

Watching how LE played Barry is going to be a joy to watch during the trial!

And what was it Barry told the detective? “I trusted you”. Lol

 

[Hair of the Dog]

The downside would be that she (or they) would be far away from their daughters, the youngest of whom had but one year till HS graduation. I think that would be a huge downside for Suzanne.

I also don't think she was planning on living with Barry going on forward and the whole point of her "looking at houses" in between May 6 and May 9 was to find a new place to live. The downside to moving to AZ with Barry is that she couldn't then begin a new phase of life with JL.

There was some kind of balloon payment due on PP. If they had sold the Indiana house (I believe they netted almost $700,000 from that) and also the PP path house (they had about $600,000 in equity there), they could have each had a nice house...somewhere. Unless they had some big debts somewhere. I still feel there's something off about these variation real estate transactions. Indeed, we have no idea if the new owners (an LLC IIRC) of PP actually paid cash, got a mortgage or whether Barry accepted paper as part of the deal.

I do wonder how much he actually has on hand for attorney fees.

How do we know that there was a balloon payment due on PP and that there was only $600K in equity? I definitely missed that. Thank you.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

How do we know that there was a balloon payment due on PP and that there was only $600K in equity? I definitely missed that. Thank you.

Same here. I thought it was established very early in the thread that they had no mortgage on the PP house. MOO

 

[OldCop]

Hah, I always picture Lt. Joe Kenda when I see your posts.

 

[DizzyB]

JMO, but I believe the OP perhaps meant to say that Suzanne's helmet was found in the opposite direction of that which BM would have taken to Broomfield.

ETA: If I buy shorts/pants for working out, I usually buy more than 1 pair so I don't have to wash them every time that I wear them. Suzanne, according to her sister's interview with Chris from the Interview Room said that Suzanne loved clothes, so it would not surprise me if she had a few outfits she wore biking.

Thanks for the assist there, was it that he passed the bike plant location when he was supposed to be still tucked in bed? Helmet toss in opposite direction? As to the teal jacket, that was an assumption based on Lauren’s tweets and her YT. She had said the last public photo was of Suzanne in the teal jacket at the spot where she usually biked. And Barry carrying teal clothing at the HIE. Does he wear teal?

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Thanks for the assist there, was it that he passed the bike plant location when he was supposed to be still tucked in bed? Helmet toss in opposite direction? As to the teal jacket, that was an assumption based on Lauren’s tweets and her YT. She had said the last public photo was of Suzanne in the teal jacket at the spot where she usually biked. And Barry carrying teal clothing at the HIE. Does he wear teal?

If you picture a T, he lives at the base of the vertical and the bike was planted near, but still below, the top of the vertical. Helmet was found along the left arm, while his route to Broomfield was along the right arm.

As for the teal, yes I understand, I just think the focus on her biking clothes is a bit of a red herring in the sense that she wasn't actually biking when she was killed. To me the biking clothes are only important in terms of whether BM "staged" them as missing.

On the other hand, anything teal she WAS wearing on Saturday, say a T-shirt or shorts, could have been disposed of by BM because it contains actual crime-related evidence. MOO

 

[Lyanna]

You're right. I have to get better at copy editing. The clear and obvious images of Barry lurking, then later dumping a pot at the HIE is theater. He went out of his way to avoid cameras otherwise. I thought the McDonald's had the footage, there were like three spots that could be cameras around that McD's. I didn't realize it was an ATM that busted him! That's awesome, Barry screwed up! There were no cameras anywhere near that Men's Warehouse, based on my Google Street View exploration of that shopping center it already had a lot of vacancies and looked to be in disrepair indicating no security cameras.

I'm just disappointed there's no Walmart images of him - Walmart always attracts nefarious characters it seems ......

moo

 

[sk716]

Two things caught my eye. Both BBM.

As I understand it, the location where the bike was found WAS on the road out of the Puma Path neighborhood. If I have misunderstood this all along, someone please let me know!

Also about Suzanne's clothing -- we've seen from photos that she had many teal/turquoise items of clothing. So I don't necessarily assume that BM being seen with something teal means it was her riding jacket. In fact, since she didn't actually go on a ride, her riding clothes were probably not contaminated with any evidence. And while it would make sense for BM to dispose of her "alibi" clothes she theoretically went missing in, he didn't seem to have done that with her other biking items other than the helmet. Her shorts and gloves were found at home. (I don't necessarily think a newbie rider would have multiple pairs of biking shorts although obviously it's a possibility.)

MOO

You are correct. The bike was found somewhere between the trailhead/CR255/Hwy 50 junction and the South Arkansas river not far off of either road, though I do not have an x-marks-the-spot location for either the bike or the helmet.

 

[Seattle1]

Same here. I thought it was established very early in the thread that they had no mortgage on the PP house. MOO

Correct - no recorded mortgages. Also, it was the Indiana residence that had a ballon payment due June 2020, and why BM had to file a petition for emergency guardianship of SM to convey the property to the legal owners-- as per the IN probate (guardianship) court records.

 

[Deleted member 222031]

The downside would be that she (or they) would be far away from their daughters, the youngest of whom had but one year till HS graduation. I think that would be a huge downside for Suzanne.

I also don't think she was planning on living with Barry going on forward and the whole point of her "looking at houses" in between May 6 and May 9 was to find a new place to live. The downside to moving to AZ with Barry is that she couldn't then begin a new phase of life with JL.

There was some kind of balloon payment due on PP. If they ⅗ sold the Indiana house (I believe they netted almost $700,000 from that) and also the PP path house (they had about $600,000 in equity there), they could have each had a nice house...somewhere. Unless they had some big debts somewhere. I still feel there's something off about these variation real estate transactions. Indeed, we have no idea if the new owners (an LLC IIRC) of PP actually paid cash, got a mortgage or whether Barry accepted paper as part of the deal.

I do wonder how much he actually has on hand for attorney fees.

I thought they paid cash for the PP house. How do you get the $600,000 number?
Just curious.

 

[10ofRods]

Ashley Franco @AshleyKKTV 52s
Texts go on to say that #SuzanneMorphew morning before she went missing-- she allegedly messages Jeff Libler telling him she had a fine night and looked at houses for sale. She follows that with "Still talk about Arizona." @KKTV11News
Since we know that BM was talking about moving to Arizona after SM disappeared, perhaps it was discussed between them before the move to Colorado. Maybe SM preferred a Colorado move and BM leaned toward an Arizona move and the final decision was Colorado. She chose the house and her money was sunk into it so it's possible that she was given the final say in where to move. We know from the PH that SM wanted to stay in the Salida area and was searching for a home in the area. My thoughts are that BM still wanted to move to Arizona and that this was not a destination being discussed for SM and JL. IMO

I don't think Suzanne had a final say in anything. And Barry was going to CO frequently as early as 2016. Not much hunting in AZ, the way there is in CO. Certainly no elk hunting and no antler collecting. Did Suzanne even visit CO before 2018? Barry is there in the summer, to do FF training - but Suzanne doesn't come until Fall (they were closing on the house). I strongly believe Barry picked out that house and am not sure Suzanne had even seen it IRL. Somewhere, there's mention of Barry house hunting and sending her pictures (Zillow link, most likely). MM did say that Suzanne liked the house in CO.

If Barry wanted to move to AZ, he should have gone down there in the summer to see if he could even stand it. The northern plateau is nicer (the tiny area around Flagstaff that's not NF or tribal land). I can't see Barry living in Flagstaff, frankly (nor getting much of a landscaping business going). In Phoenix, sure - but that's not the idyllic forest, with rushing rivers and lots of trees, that he wanted. It's pure desert.

 

[Cindizzi]

I don't think Suzanne had a final say in anything. And Barry was going to CO frequently as early as 2016. Not much hunting in AZ, the way there is in CO. Certainly no elk hunting and no antler collecting. Did Suzanne even visit CO before 2018? Barry is there in the summer, to do FF training - but Suzanne doesn't come until Fall (they were closing on the house). I strongly believe Barry picked out that house and am not sure Suzanne had even seen it IRL. Somewhere, there's mention of Barry house hunting and sending her pictures (Zillow link, most likely). MM did say that Suzanne liked the house in CO.

If Barry wanted to move to AZ, he should have gone down there in the summer to see if he could even stand it. The northern plateau is nicer (the tiny area around Flagstaff that's not NF or tribal land). I can't see Barry living in Flagstaff, frankly (nor getting much of a landscaping business going). In Phoenix, sure - but that's not the idyllic forest, with rushing rivers and lots of trees, that he wanted. It's pure desert.

There’s big game hunting in Arizona. When SO recounted the story of being at the PP home with SM and BM snuck home early and scared them by lurking around outside, he was supposed to be hunting in either Arizona or New Mexico.

AZGFD

 

[NoSI]

Regarding Arizona... I don't know why it is... A disproportionate number of people around here tend to consider Arizona to relocate to/snow bird in. Cheaper cost of living, the climate, retirement friendly etc.

This is what I found in my notes about it:

May 9, 2020:
8:43 AM: SM and JL communicated about “move to Arizona”.

May 9, 2020: SM to JL “I had a fine, quiet night. Got pizza. Looked around Salida for a house for sale. Still thinking about Arizona”.

So, i think, this could go either way... BM thinking/talking about it or SM/JL considering it. Or both. I would say its more likely related to BM. Can't imagine JL moving across the country considering his kids... but then again, Equador came up too. So, I don't know to be honest. Wish I had paid closer attention.

 

[Seattle1]

I don't think Suzanne had a final say in anything. And Barry was going to CO frequently as early as 2016. Not much hunting in AZ, the way there is in CO. Certainly no elk hunting and no antler collecting. Did Suzanne even visit CO before 2018? Barry is there in the summer, to do FF training - but Suzanne doesn't come until Fall (they were closing on the house). I strongly believe Barry picked out that house and am not sure Suzanne had even seen it IRL. Somewhere, there's mention of Barry house hunting and sending her pictures (Zillow link, most likely). MM did say that Suzanne liked the house in CO.

If Barry wanted to move to AZ, he should have gone down there in the summer to see if he could even stand it. The northern plateau is nicer (the tiny area around Flagstaff that's not NF or tribal land). I can't see Barry living in Flagstaff, frankly (nor getting much of a landscaping business going). In Phoenix, sure - but that's not the idyllic forest, with rushing rivers and lots of trees, that he wanted. It's pure desert.

^^bbm

I agree that SM probably deferred to BM for nearly 30 years or up until she began exercising her "ballsy" side (2018-20 per BM). However, according to SM's Twitter, Colorado was on their radar since at least 2014 (or earlier) -- 4 years prior to relocating.

SM's siblings told PE/ITIR they believed Colorado was their semi-retirement move. We also know that long before she graduated from HS, MM1 was quoted in MSM that she would be attending University in Gunnison, CO.

In other words, plenty of evidence that Colorado was not foreign to SM prior to moving there. MOO

 

[Boxer]

JMO, but I believe the OP perhaps meant to say that Suzanne's helmet was found in the opposite direction of that which BM would have taken to Broomfield.

ETA: If I buy shorts/pants for working out, I usually buy more than 1 pair so I don't have to wash them every time that I wear them. Suzanne, according to her sister's interview with Chris from the Interview Room said that Suzanne loved clothes, so it would not surprise me if she had a few outfits she wore biking.

MOO No one has a single pair of biking pants, soccer shorts,
Running Jersey or anything else thing else that gets sweaty.
That would be a fast one to choose a garment that had not been worn.

 

[Seattle1]

Regarding Arizona... I don't know why it is... A disproportionate number of people around here tend to consider Arizona to relocate to/snow bird in. Cheaper cost of living, the climate, retirement friendly etc.

This is what I found in my notes about it:

May 9, 2020:
8:43 AM: SM and JL communicated about “move to Arizona”.

May 9, 2020: SM to JL “I had a fine, quiet night. Got pizza. Looked around Salida for a house for sale. Still thinking about Arizona”.

So, i think, this could go either way... BM thinking/talking about it or SM/JL considering it. Or both. I would say its more likely related to BM. Can't imagine JL moving across the country considering his kids... but then again, Equador came up too. So, I don't know to be honest. Wish I had paid closer attention.

I agree that 'AZ' most likely referred to BM.

There was testimony from Agent Grussing that SM specifically discussed BM bringing up a move to AZ with SO. This surprised SM because BM had never mentioned AZ before.

Also, I think it's abundantly clear that SM had no plans to leave her daughters. In fact, JL told FBI that independent of their relationship, he wanted to help SM get out on her own (in Salida). We know that SM was looking for property for sale in Salida and sent a Salida listing to BM on Friday, May 8.

MOO