Still Missing CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, Chaffee Co, 10 May 2020 *arrest* #87

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  • #441
Gah!

You can see what I saw if you Google scent neutralizer for hunting/dressing. Buy it by the gallon. Removes animal blood.

My search history is disturbing.

Thanks to B.

JMO
I immediately googled lol and then went a different direction what plants have a reddish brown sap and behold eucalyptus. Although it doesn’t grow easily in Colorado did Suzanne have a houseplant of eucalyptus? They don’t like cold but emit a resin like sap that would easily transfer to boots, laces and clothing possibly requiring multiple showers and clothing changes.
Also evergreen leaves when crushed between hands creates an equally yucky sap but not of the same color while covering human scent to deer. Also might require several changes of clothing and boot laces. What was Barry tossing in all those dumps? Wonder if they found a bar of lava at the PP home or the HIE? Works wonders to remove stains from skin with pumice added as an exfoliate. IMO

What Is Tree Sap?
Eta tree link
 
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  • #442
I think people underestimate just how dry and dusty much of the American west is (it is SO dusty where I live and this year it's been non-stop). If I hung my clothes out, we'd have to wash them again. Every surface in the laundry room has to be wiped down daily (and more often than that if doing more than one load). We have filters running in the house all the time, so that we can breathe comfortably.

Salida is west of the Great Plains, which blow in dust and grit all the time.

I'm envious of those of you who have weather that allows you to use nice air - we do too, mostly in May and June, but those are also our dampest months so you have to really spin things, shake them hard to get out wrinkles and hope they dry before they mildew (caught between the Mojave and the Great Pacific Ocean).
Couldn't agree more. With the PP house surrounded by trees and having very little clearing, it would mean dealing with dust from the brush/trees not to mention allergens.
I have a king size bed and if I don't get the sheets out pronto, even the nicest Pima cotton sheets will wrinkle but then I'm very particular about my sheets. How nice that your husband does them! *taking notes if I ever remarry* :p
 
  • #443
@marylamby bbm sbm for focus Respectfully disagreeing about lack of space for hanging sheets outdoors. PP prop was ~ 7+ acres or ~2.8 + hectares, so seems there'd be space for a clothesline.

Some subdivisions' HOA bylaws prohibit clothes lines. Maybe Monarch River Estates Owners Association too a nonprofit corp formed in 2008?

Not that Barry:rolleyes: would necessarily have complied:rolleyes: w HOA by-laws. my2ct

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7+ acres of trees where the wind would waft dirt, dust and pollen. Although entertaining, I didn't mean to spur a conversation about line drying v. machine drying, lol. I just don't see an area where Suzanne would've been able to dry sheets outside if she'd wanted to. Where I live, there are trees everywhere. After my hundreds of years old, enormous Oak had to be taken down due to Oak death, I was finally able to carve out an area to plant a garden but could never hang clothes or especially sheets, that is if I wanted them to remain clean. :D
 
  • #444
The only evidence they have is GPS data from vehicles and phones and Barry himself saying he went west before turning east to go to Broomfield to follow Elk to see their path so when shed season came he would know where to go look for antlers. Given what we know about Barry and selling antlers it is highly plausible and it's pretty common knowledge that deer, Elk etc. create and follow the same paths over the course of the year(s).

RSBM

IMO it is not possible due to the reasons stated in the AA

There is no way he could have seen Elk at that distance at night. He only invented the Elk story later when confronted with the location data.
 
  • #445
The problem with the old "oh look my wife is missing" scheme is you pretty much have to talk to law enforcement to create the abduction story in the first place.

If law enforcement show up and you lawyer up, then that is pretty much the end of any abduction narrative.

It's why it's the dumbest of murder plots
On Sunday, LE reached out to BM twice....he ignored their attempts, even though he was perfectly willing and available to talk to his daughter, George and the Ritters. What a coincidence.
 
  • #446
I think its possible that BM had access to Suzanne's phone while she was in the shower. She may have even used the brown towel to dry off when she got out of the shower. And I think Barry was waiting for her with lightning bolts in his eyes, because he was going through her phone and was enraged.
 
  • #447
I immediately googled lol and then went a different direction what plants have a reddish brown sap and behold eucalyptus. Although it doesn’t grow easily in Colorado did Suzanne have a houseplant of eucalyptus? They don’t like cold but emit a resin like sap that would easily transfer to boots, laces and clothing possibly requiring multiple showers and clothing changes.
Also evergreen leaves when crushed between hands creates an equally yucky sap but not of the same color while covering human scent to deer. Also might require several changes of clothing and boot laces. What was Barry tossing in all those dumps? Wonder if they found a bar of lava at the PP home or the HIE? Works wonders to remove stains from skin with pumice added as an exfoliate. IMO

What Is Tree Sap?
Eta tree link


Sap!

He may have been covered in it! May have touched the garage and the closet, not on his way out, but his way back in! Maybe that IS what he was trying to wash himself rid of! I thought he was either showering with bleach to rid himself of cadaverine or of What He'd Done OR he was showering multiple times to get the scent of bleach OFF of himself.

I wonder if Barry had used an animal scent.... maybe that's why he wanted to enter the hotel unseen. Because he was rank.

JMO
 
  • #448
I think its possible that BM had access to Suzanne's phone while she was in the shower. She may have even used the brown towel to dry off when she got out of the shower. And I think Barry was waiting for her with lightning bolts in his eyes, because he was going through her phone and was enraged.

He had mere minutes but perhaps he saw the last photo she sent.... or the last missed message from JL! At 2:46 [P. 17, AA] as Barry was allegedly tearing through walls toward the bedroom door, JL sent a text. The timing is just so terribly harrowing....

He said, "hey, your weather looks great." (LE theorized what that could mean. It followed the photo she'd sent at 2:03 and her notice that she was on what's app -- which he didn't recall if they'd done that day. IMO his text could have been a compliment on the photo OR a comment on the actual weather -- for her to go on a bike ride which is what I believe Suzanne was planning to do.)

IF Suzanne left her phone, say in the kitchen, as Barry was looking for her, he may have heard it, it may have even appeared on a locked screen. He may have seen who sent it!

I think we're closing in on the last minutes.

He would've been raging.

He would've had OPPORTUNITY literally in passing to see that text. We have brilliant mapping and commentary upthread and in the AA [P. 129] showing the timestamps of his movements. IMO wherever Barry was at 2:46 is where Suzanne had left her phone. Seconds away from the bedroom door....

I think there's a really good chance that, at 2:46, Suzanne was not outside, was not with her phone, was with her brown towel.... on the other side of her locked bedroom door.

Barry told LE he showered that morning at home [P. 19 AA]. And also that he showered when he arrived at the hotel [P. 27, AA]. MG reported multiple towels on the floor [P. 50, AA]. If Barry was showering repeatedly to remove scent or sap evidence from his body, if Suzanne's brown towel was left hanging in the bathroom after her shower (my speculation), and Barry used it simply as course of habit or convenience, whatever he was trying to get off himself may have transfered to the towel, which may explain why it's now missing!!!! Sap. Cadaverine. Blood. Bobcat grease. Something smeary perhaps.

IMO Barry used the brown towel.

He didn't know or care that Suzanne had.

The towel isn't the clue, the showering is.

JMO

Colorado Judicial Branch - Chaffee - Cases of Interest - People of the State of Colorado v. Barry Lee Morphew
 
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That text may be key.

I think Barry had a long-running plan -- he knew how to dispose of a body -- and that weekend he firmed up the how and the when and the who.

I think he intended to capture her outside and incapacitate her there, as indicated by the Prosecution's theory of the case.

But IMO Suzanne had already abandoned sunbathing (perhaps hoping to continue her conversation, only by video, indoors...or because she lost sun in that area at that time... or to prepare for her afternoon bike ride).

@Scottie98, I do think you're on to something, that Barry had Suzanne's phone. IMO between that impossibly convergent moment between 2:46 and 2:47.

If he saw THAT text from THAT person (did Suzanne have Jeff's name and photo in her contact list? Photo maybe but pet name perhaps?)... anyway if Barry intercepted THAT text at THAT moment, especially if he also saw THE PHOTO, then in that moment, the always cool hunter lost his fool mind and barreled through the bedroom door. That was a MISTAKE. And he knew it. IMO he had a master plan and it didn't include leaving any evidence in the home because he planned to use the dart outside and take her to a second location, away from the house. It was PERFECT (in his mind, IMO), if only she hadn't made him rage.

Didn't he say something about ten weeks, that even if LE held the house for ten weeks, searching, they wouldn't find any evidence? I think, in his mind, he was reverting to his plan. If things had gone as planned, there would have been no evidence there because he planned for it all to happen outside.

If not for that splintered door frame...

Oh, Suzanne.

JMO
 
  • #450
RSBM

IMO it is not possible due to the reasons stated in the AA

There is no way he could have seen Elk at that distance at night. He only invented the Elk story later when confronted with the location data.
MOO the moon was 88% that morning, and didn't set till almost 8am, so I think that's that enough light to see down a road.
Unfortunately BMs a lucky liar, obviously Suzanne was tired of that exact thing, endless explanations.
 
  • #451
MOO the moon was 88% that morning, and didn't set till almost 8am, so I think that's that enough light to see down a road.
Unfortunately BMs a lucky liar, obviously Suzanne was tired of that exact thing, endless explanations.
Yes especially where there is no light pollution. It is amazing what it looks like on a clear night with moonlight. and no light pollution. Juries are local so can comprehend local situational information like would he “see” elk in moonlight and headlights from the vehicle with some basic conditional info. Him watching elk movements in general is totally plausible. That morning depends on other info. The helmet depends on if it was actually outdoors for the days between Sunday and finding it.
 
  • #452
There's an interesting paragraph on Page 21 of the AA --

That's where Barry describes Suzanne as a matcher -- the baby blue bike helmet and the baby blue bike clothes, her favorites. Interesting that his words are essentially verbatim to his Poncha Market list.

In any event, Barry goes on to mention her (baby blue) shirt. In paraphrase -- if it's missing, it's probably what she was wearing. He even asks LE if they've recovered it! Methinks he truly did not know if LE had her helmet or her shirt! We ourselves J. Q. Public only knew an item or article had been recovered! And it would appear that's all Barry knew too!

I think that Suzanne really was preparing for her bike ride on Saturday -- and that's why her bike clothes are missing-- and why the bike ride was such a convenient (and stupid) story -- he just had to adjust her typical afternoon ride and make it a morning ride! Imagine how cold a morning bike ride in Colorado would've been! Did she ever ride in the mornings? For that very reason!

And now we know, Suzanne had NO REASON not to be home on Sunday morning. No service to attend (pandemic pause), no morning bike rides, just her coffee, her To Do list, her streamed wedding and the arrival of her daughters.

I'm convinced now that Barry had been sleeping in MM1's bed, from at least May 6th -- and I'm convinced because he said he wasn't "in that room" [also Page 21]. Therefore, IMO if Suzanne was washing the bedding on Saturday, she did not expect Barry to sleep there on Saturday night. I do not think she intended to share her bed with him, so I think she expected he was leaving for Denver on Saturday, giving her even more reason to play nice that day. Perhaps she expected to tell the girls on Sunday, while he was away, specifically because he was away. There'd ne separate bedrooms after that, IMO and if Suzanne had lived through MDW.

Unless LE has since recovered them, I think Suzanne's shirt and phone are still put there, waiting to be found. Staged.

JMO

Colorado Judicial Branch - Chaffee - Cases of Interest - People of the State of Colorado v. Barry Lee Morphew

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What do y’all think about Suzanne & Barry looking at that home for sale in Salida? Was it for Suzanne? Barry? Investment? Was there more conversation between Suzanne & JL about what was really happening that week, but it isn’t in the AA? Will JL be testifying as to what Suzanne told him about where the marriage stood that week? JL would have been told if they truly were sleeping separately, I think. I’m not saying that Suzanne wouldn’t edit, but what JL was told might be corroborated by evidence found.
 
  • #454
What do y’all think about Suzanne & Barry looking at that home for sale in Salida? Was it for Suzanne? Barry? Investment? Was there more conversation between Suzanne & JL about what was really happening that week, but it isn’t in the AA? Will JL be testifying as to what Suzanne told him about where the marriage stood that week? JL would have been told if they truly were sleeping separately, I think. I’m not saying that Suzanne wouldn’t edit, but what JL was told might be corroborated by evidence found.

I think something unmistakable happened on 5/6. The night of their supposed walk. I think Barry may have routinely been meeting someone at the dumpster -- and was seen walking with THAT individual, NOT Suzanne. (Some people say they look alike -- NOT. But maybe late in the day, after then settled behind the mountain.) Maybe that was the night of the zipper.

I think two things were happening simultaneously. Suzanne wanted to separate/divorce civilly and was working to be friendly while Barry was leading her to believe he wasn't going to fight it.

She said she's keep doing his invoices, said she'd stay in the area until MM2 graduated (at least that's my impression). I think Suzanne found the listing in Salida as a house for Barry. Big house, manly house, much of what PP had to offer, just with a smaller price tag.

I think Arizona was Barry's idea. Maybe part of an earlier and ongoing failed lovebomb -- like Colorado from Indiana, Colorado to Arizona was to be a fresh start for them, all new promises from Barry. But I think Suzanne was done with empty promises.

Still, I think originally Suzanne was intending to stay married and stay with Barry at PP until the graduation. Then take her inheritance and move back maybe to Indiana. To me, whatever happened on 5/6 pulled her timeline in sharply. She could no longer live with him.

Let that sentence sink in.

She could no longer live with him.

What she didn't know, tragically, was that he wasn't willing to let her live without him.

Suzanne, however, was done. 5/7. The "I'm done" text. The 50 reasons. No more Barry in her bed IMO, and if Barry agreed to sleep in another room, Suzanne probably felt that they'd had a meeting of the minds, would talk to the girls, sell PP, Barry would buy a house and Suzanne would rent a place. All nice and civil.

She was trying to move forward and trying to minimize the impact on everyone.

He was uncapping a syringe and loading a tranquilizer dart.

It wasn't going to end well.

JMO
 
  • #455
That text may be key.

I think Barry had a long-running plan -- he knew how to dispose of a body -- and that weekend he firmed up the how and the when and the who.

I think he intended to capture her outside and incapacitate her there, as indicated by the Prosecution's theory of the case.

But IMO Suzanne had already abandoned sunbathing (perhaps hoping to continue her conversation, only by video, indoors...or because she lost sun in that area at that time... or to prepare for her afternoon bike ride).

@Scottie98, I do think you're on to something, that Barry had Suzanne's phone. IMO between that impossibly convergent moment between 2:46 and 2:47.

If he saw THAT text from THAT person (did Suzanne have Jeff's name and photo in her contact list? Photo maybe but pet name perhaps?)... anyway if Barry intercepted THAT text at THAT moment, especially if he also saw THE PHOTO, then in that moment, the always cool hunter lost his fool mind and barreled through the bedroom door. That was a MISTAKE. And he knew it. IMO he had a master plan and it didn't include leaving any evidence in the home because he planned to use the dart outside and take her to a second location, away from the house. It was PERFECT (in his mind, IMO), if only she hadn't made him rage.

Didn't he say something about ten weeks, that even if LE held the house for ten weeks, searching, they wouldn't find any evidence? I think, in his mind, he was reverting to his plan. If things had gone as planned, there would have been no evidence there because he planned for it all to happen outside.

If not for that splintered door frame...

Oh, Suzanne.

JMO
I don't think BM saw activity on SM's phone. I understood that SM/JL exchanged messages and photos via LinkedIn and not traditional phone apps specifically to avoid detection. In fact, I don't think investigators were aware of the communication between SM/JL including the proof of life photo until November 2020. BM had taken SM's phone from her before (Mexico) trying to detect who she was communicating with and I think both SM/JL were very careful about not using detectable phone functions. MOO

ETA: SM/JL may have used various apps to communicate but we do know that they used LinkedIn and Whatsapp. Per the links below -- I can see them using LinkedIn in "draft" mode where they could also keep/exchange a gallery of temp photos.
LinkedIn adds the ability to post multiple photos, share a draft of your post and more - MSPoweruser

As for SM telling JL that she was switching to "Whatsapp" -- I think they may have used this app for video chatting similar to iPhone facetime calling.
What Is WhatsApp? Here's Everything You Need to Know | Digital Trends
 
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I don't think BM saw activity on SM's phone. I understood that SM/JL exchanged messages and photos via LinkedIn and not traditional phone apps specifically to avoid detection. In fact, I don't think investigators were aware of the communication between SM/JL including the proof of life photo until November 2020. BM had taken SM's phone from her before (Mexico) trying to detect who she was communicating with and I think both SM/JL were very careful about not using detectable phone functions. MOO

ETA: SM/JL may have used various apps to communicate but we do know that they used LinkedIn and Whatsapp. Per the links below -- I can see them using LinkedIn in "draft" mode where they could also keep/exchange a gallery of temp photos.
LinkedIn adds the ability to post multiple photos, share a draft of your post and more - MSPoweruser

As for SM telling JL that she was switching to "Whatsapp" -- I think they may have used this app for video chatting similar to iPhone facetime calling.
What Is WhatsApp? Here's Everything You Need to Know | Digital Trends

Excellent points. Yes, it appears they did go to great lengths to stay private.

Without Suzanne's actual phone, I wonder what digital information LE recovered and when. Somewhere they learned she'd been communicating by other means. Probably the deleted/recovered spy pen recording was the tip off. Still, I'd think they must've had a sense of her extensive data usage, right? Even if not preserved, wouldn't her log time be archived somewhere?

It's still bone-chilling that JL was messaging Suzanne at 2:46 just as Barry was allegedly hunting her down.

I can't help but to wonder if, that very day, guard down, Suzanne's unattended phone betrayed her. Always careful, maybe she left her phone out while she showered and some notification popped up ...

Otherwise why wouldn't Barry wait? Get Suzanne on a hike and carry his plan forward from there? If that door splintered on 5/9, I think that's clear and compelling evidence that his plan didn't go as planned.

I wonder why he didn't do it just as soon as the trail cams were down.

Do we know where Suzanne was (relative to the house/patio) during the veggie soup/turkey search?

I hope the Prosecution can lay this out to the minute.

JMO
 
  • #457
What do y’all think about Suzanne & Barry looking at that home for sale in Salida? Was it for Suzanne? Barry? Investment? Was there more conversation between Suzanne & JL about what was really happening that week, but it isn’t in the AA? Will JL be testifying as to what Suzanne told him about where the marriage stood that week? JL would have been told if they truly were sleeping separately, I think. I’m not saying that Suzanne wouldn’t edit, but what JL was told might be corroborated by evidence found.

I'm not really sure she would have. On the 6th she tells him it's over. On the 8th they're talking about where they want to move to. Barry says Arizona, Suzanne is looking at a place in town. Barry was lulling Suzanne into a false sense of security. I think it's entirely possible that he volunteered to sleep in the guest room until he could put his plan in motion.
 
  • #458
I don't think BM saw activity on SM's phone. I understood that SM/JL exchanged messages and photos via LinkedIn and not traditional phone apps specifically to avoid detection. In fact, I don't think investigators were aware of the communication between SM/JL including the proof of life photo until November 2020. BM had taken SM's phone from her before (Mexico) trying to detect who she was communicating with and I think both SM/JL were very careful about not using detectable phone functions. MOO

ETA: SM/JL may have used various apps to communicate but we do know that they used LinkedIn and Whatsapp. Per the links below -- I can see them using LinkedIn in "draft" mode where they could also keep/exchange a gallery of temp photos.
LinkedIn adds the ability to post multiple photos, share a draft of your post and more - MSPoweruser

As for SM telling JL that she was switching to "Whatsapp" -- I think they may have used this app for video chatting similar to iPhone facetime calling.
What Is WhatsApp? Here's Everything You Need to Know | Digital Trends
We had a case here on WS, where the written cheating was done via draft emails. If that's functional on LinkedIn, then that might be an opportunity.
 
  • #459
I think something unmistakable happened on 5/6. The night of their supposed walk. I think Barry may have routinely been meeting someone at the dumpster -- and was seen walking with THAT individual, NOT Suzanne. (Some people say they look alike -- NOT. But maybe late in the day, after then settled behind the mountain.) Maybe that was the night of the zipper.

I think two things were happening simultaneously. Suzanne wanted to separate/divorce civilly and was working to be friendly while Barry was leading her to believe he wasn't going to fight it.

She said she's keep doing his invoices, said she'd stay in the area until MM2 graduated (at least that's my impression). I think Suzanne found the listing in Salida as a house for Barry. Big house, manly house, much of what PP had to offer, just with a smaller price tag.

I think Arizona was Barry's idea. Maybe part of an earlier and ongoing failed lovebomb -- like Colorado from Indiana, Colorado to Arizona was to be a fresh start for them, all new promises from Barry. But I think Suzanne was done with empty promises.

Still, I think originally Suzanne was intending to stay married and stay with Barry at PP until the graduation. Then take her inheritance and move back maybe to Indiana. To me, whatever happened on 5/6 pulled her timeline in sharply. She could no longer live with him.

Let that sentence sink in.

She could no longer live with him.

What she didn't know, tragically, was that he wasn't willing to let her live without him.

Suzanne, however, was done. 5/7. The "I'm done" text. The 50 reasons. No more Barry in her bed IMO, and if Barry agreed to sleep in another room, Suzanne probably felt that they'd had a meeting of the minds, would talk to the girls, sell PP, Barry would buy a house and Suzanne would rent a place. All nice and civil.

She was trying to move forward and trying to minimize the impact on everyone.

He was uncapping a syringe and loading a tranquilizer dart.

It wasn't going to end well.

JMO
Great thoughts (!!) on the processes since the dumpster meeting, which wasn't at all a dumpster meeting with 3 people but probably only two (BM and fake-Suzanne). We can assume, BM did lie as always, when he described the "evening walk".
 
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Excellent points. Yes, it appears they did go to great lengths to stay private.

Without Suzanne's actual phone, I wonder what digital information LE recovered and when. Somewhere they learned she'd been communicating by other means. Probably the deleted/recovered spy pen recording was the tip off. Still, I'd think they must've had a sense of her extensive data usage, right? Even if not preserved, wouldn't her log time be archived somewhere?

It's still bone-chilling that JL was messaging Suzanne at 2:46 just as Barry was allegedly hunting her down.

I can't help but to wonder if, that very day, guard down, Suzanne's unattended phone betrayed her. Always careful, maybe she left her phone out while she showered and some notification popped up ...

Otherwise why wouldn't Barry wait? Get Suzanne on a hike and carry his plan forward from there? If that door splintered on 5/9, I think that's clear and compelling evidence that his plan didn't go as planned.

I wonder why he didn't do it just as soon as the trail cams were down.

Do we know where Suzanne was (relative to the house/patio) during the veggie soup/turkey search?

I hope the Prosecution can lay this out to the minute.

JMO

I don't think LE was hindered much not having SM's actual phone because they had both her iCloud backup, a record of phone and data usage from her mobile carrier Verizon, and the forensic analysis of the Morphew wifi activity which was very extensive given the lack of phone signal in Maysville.

I recall LE discovered the spy pen very quickly under search warrant after SO tipped them off that she purchased the device for SM. Although investigators had knowledge via the pen recording that SM was communicating with an unknown male, it wasn't until November that they were able to identify JL when they discovered SM's LinkedIn. I recall investigators identified JL via LinkedIn.

JL was probably the source for what apps SM/JL used to communicate with each other including when SM first reached out to him and the brief period they stopped communicating after JL's daughter discovered text messages from SM on her dad's phone.

As for what happened on 5/9, we know that SM was sunbathing outside. We know that she communicated with BM via text and offered to meet him but he told her that he was on his way home. Whether or not BM actually ate veggie stew for lunch with SM or instead crawled around outside disabling the game cameras, looking for the alleged dead turkey, we know that SM was aware that BM left PP again because she communicated to JL that she was "alone again." We know that BM changed the blade on the bobcat and called/texted SM nine times before returning to PP the second time.

I think BM arrived home in a fit because his calls to SM went unanswered. Seeing her vehicle still at home, I think BM moved rapidly around the house looking for SM. I agree the million-dollar question is where was SM when BM returned home from DSi!

I think SM had probably finished sunbathing and went to her closet to undress and perhaps wait for JL to connect with her on Whatsapp. Or she could have taken a shower. Whatever she was doing, I think she'd locked BM out of the bedroom and he broke it down to get to her.

I never bought the idea that BM used his 22 shotgun as a tranq gun when he could easily overpower petite SM and inject her with the tranq dart. However, I wouldn't put it past BM to either threaten suicide or SM in the bedroom with the 22. I think he told SM marriage was for life and they were both going to die that day. And when SM didn't respond to his threats, BM made certain that SM was the one that would be dead. MOO
 
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