Still Missing CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, Chaffee Co, 10 May 2020 *arrest* #91

[Momofthreeboys]

Yes a very important distinction.

Why?

This case was as good as it was going to get, and there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence against Barry.

Not everyone is a gambler and this is an all or nothing trial right now so I can understand why someone observing but wonder if it is too risky be prosecution with what we know.

 

[rainbowshummingbird]

Bringing this over from the previous thread
Still Missing - CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, Chaffee Co, 10 May 2020 *arrest* #90
'There's so many things in those text messages, said by Suzanne herself, that many posters have given their opinions about regarding BM from the get-go, such as he was a narcissist, he was abusive, Suzanne did suspect someone else in his life, and so much more that we now know were true, but some posters had a difficult time believing and felt that these things were only our speculation. But now, since it is directly from Suzanne, as shown in her text messages, we now know these things are true after all.'

BBM. Respectfully, we do NOT know that these things are true. What we DO know is that Suzanne said them.

We do know that MM2 suggested that Suzanne get a restraining order. For what reason would she say that?

 

[MassGuy]

I agree. That is why I was wondering what posters views were on whether the prosecution should start again.

The FBI concluded their investigation in April, presenting Barry with the evidence and allowing him to dig his own grave.

They had all the evidence they were going to have. The case was then presented to the DA.

Even if the prosecution waited to file charges, it doesn't change anything in that regard. By the time trial rolls around, they will have had the better part of a year to game plan their presentation.

What's fun about this case is that I have not come across a single coherent theory that comes remotely close to making a case for another scenario (Suzanne ran off, or abduction).

And that's not even factoring in the things that point right at Barry.

It can only be him, and it can only be murder.

 

[K9Enzo]

Yes, I agree that they give good insight to where her head was at in regards to her marriage and Barry. But, if the prosecution try and use these, I fear it may backfire badly. If I were the defence, I would use these and the omissons of Suzannes affair, as missiles to destroy the friendship between Suzanne and SO.

Im afraid her friend SO will not be much help. Like you pointed out she can recall and show what SM told her only. I’m not sure if she was an eye witness to anything substantial against BM. I don’t believe the girls will testify against their dad. Will they back up those statements where their mentioned in those texts? The defense is going to say SM lied to her own father about the reason she had to cut her visit short with him (she left to see JL), the defense already called out the friendship between SM & SO - IIRC something like “Suzanne lied to Shelia”.

I’m looking forward to watching any released LE interviews with BM. I want to see this dude just talking and get a feel for him myself.

I never have to be right on Webslueths but don’t share the same confidence in this case as the majority. I’m good with being wrong. IMO

 

[Momofthreeboys]

Past Affairs in IN? Admissible?
Bringing this part of post by @Kemug from thread #90:
"If, as seems likely, Barry was having affairs back in Indiana....
.... highly unlikely to arise, unless they have something meaningful to add, eg something BM said, or if his honesty and integrity is being questioned....." @Kemug bbm sbm
Who would offer evidence of BM's (hypo) affairs?
Offer to prove what?
Would judge rule such evd admissible? IDK.

To show BM's integrity? Or lack thereof? Some jurors may see BM's (hypo) affair(s) as showing lack of integrity, while others may see extramarital affairs differently, as in, well, boys-will-be-boys.

To show BM's honesty? Or lack thereof? Prosecution has many stmts BM made to LE & others, which are clearly admissible to offer to prove Liar-Liar-Pants-on-Fire. And many of those stmts were recorded.

Unless "something BM said" is equivalent to I'm going to kill SM, I'm not sure how useful something he said would be. my2ct.
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Zilch chance of coming forward?
Someone may have provided info of affair(s?) in IN to LE, who may have then communicated w the other woman(en?), who did not come forward of her(their?) own volition.

Probably inadmissable. It has no bearing on the murder charge.

 

[Nikynoo]

Not everyone is a gambler and this is an all or nothing trial right now so I can understand why someone observing but wonder if it is too risky be prosecution with what we know.

Also, the way in what we know is presented to the jury. I just don't have confidence in the prosecution and the witnesses at the PH seemed lacklustre.

 

[Nikynoo]

We do know that MM2 suggested that Suzanne get a restraining order. For what reason would she say that?

Has MM2 confirmed this? If she did, then I would want her as a witness to address her reasoning why she suggested it.

 

[Nikynoo]

Im afraid her friend SO will not be much help. Like you pointed out she can recall and show what SM told her only. I’m not sure if she was an eye witness to anything substantial against BM. I don’t believe the girls will testify against their dad. Will they back up those statements where their mentioned in those texts? The defense is going to say SM lied to her own father about the reason she had to cut her visit short with him (she left to see JL), the defense already called out the friendship between SM & SO - IIRC something like “Suzanne lied to Shelia”.

I’m looking forward to watching any released LE interviews with BM. I want to see this dude just talking and get a feel for him myself.

I never have to be right on Webslueths but don’t share the same confidence in this case as the majority. I’m good with being wrong. IMO

Me too.

 

[Nikynoo]

The FBI concluded their investigation in April, presenting Barry with the evidence and allowing him to dig his own grave.

They had all the evidence they were going to have. The case was then presented to the DA.

Even if the prosecution waited to file charges, it doesn't change anything in that regard. By the time trial rolls around, they will have had the better part of a year to game plan their presentation.

What's fun about this case is that I have not come across a single coherent theory that comes remotely close to making a case for another scenario (Suzanne ran off, or abduction).

And that's not even factoring in the things that point right at Barry.

It can only be him, and it can only be murder.

IMO the prosecution is not there yet to prove either and obtain a guilty verdict. It may be better to drop and restart. A man only has so much money to defend. One case to almost trial, certainly. Two cases with the same defence team, perhaps not......

 

[Boxer]

If I had a penny for every time that someone said their partner was a narcissist... If I were a juror on this case, I would agree that the texts are only what Suzanne told SO. But I would find them important to know Suzanne, and where her head was. Sure, she edited her life to her best friend because she knew SO would judge her harshly. For me, the texts give me a sense of Suzanne and her life, and she was not happy. I believe she discussed divorce with Barry. There are texts saying she is done. She did tell SO she went back and forth on it. I believe Suzanne when she wonders what the heck she was thinking marrying Barry, and how she had been broken at the time. Throw in trash runs, telematics, last signs of life, a boyfriend with an alibi, the ridiculous Broomfield job, texts and phone calls, Barry’s interviews and story changes based on data he was presented, how can you say it was somebody else?

Some "limited" (i.e. particles of) touch DNA, mixed with the daughters' DNA has a good chance of being transfered into the RR from somewhere else.
Prosecution needs to make that clear.

 

[genuineusa77]

This case is driving me nuts! Unlike other cases, it's all presumptions. I don't see any proof he killed her at all. We don't know Barry. Her friend SO, must be questioning Suzanne credibility after finding out she had an affair. His daughters know him the best and they do not think he killed her. They certainly know more than we do. Did LE look at anyone else or any other scenarios?

 

[justtrish]

They may not even need him as a witness for prosecution. He didn’t know Barry other than through Suzanne’s lens.

He did know Barry in high school or college. I can't recall which it was. Suzanne was talking with Jeff at a party I believe it was and Barry confronted Jeff. I need to see where that was said. He did know of him at least back at that time. So Jeff could speak to how Barry behaved then if that is admissible. It would also prove that Jeff was not a total stranger to Barry so if it could be shown Barry knew who she was talking to, then it could be established that this wasn't a total stranger to Barry.

 

[genuineusa77]

We do know that MM2 suggested that Suzanne get a restraining order. For what reason would she say that?

I thought it was brought up by Barry's attorney that it was a lie along with Macy saying she would get a job and move out with Suzanne something Suzanne told SO

 

[Boxer]

We do know that MM2 suggested that Suzanne get a restraining order. For what reason would she say that?

The fighting is going to be proven. The daughters spole og it to others. The stalking while SO was present in the house will be testified to.
How awful to think husband might park down the road and creep up on the house at any time.
MOO she reached out to JL ad there wad no other way to meet or talk to anyone.

Yes a very important distinction. And Barry’s words in text and interviews are also public only as much as prosecution has brought to the public which is why it will be interesting to hear those entire conversations and probably why defense wants them heard in their entirety as he most likely will not testify. My guess is there is no need for that after 30 hours of conversation with LE.

MOO juries want to hear from the defendant.

 

[justtrish]

I added articles this morning. Done for today, except I need to still label over 50 photos.
However, if you want to see what the pics are, it is in the top line of the description. It is what I label the pics myself before adding so I can label there later.

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And--- also for newer people who may be following, it is just a photobucket account, I pay for it, I do not receive any pay for views.
I started doing this "saving stuff" maybe 15 years ago when I first joined WS.
Anyways, don't worry. You may have to wade through an ad or two, but it is a safe place.

I have been accused of crazy things, and been contacted by LE a handful of times. Hehe I may actually be a little nutty.

Thank you! I appreciate the photos being all in one place to view and really get a better understanding of all of it together. I have often thought I need to save things somewhere because I'll screenshot things and then not be able to find them later!

I think many of us would get a side eye from LE if we ever were somehow involved in a crime or victims of a crime just because of all the stuff we may have searched or saved on our electronic devices! LOL

 

[MassGuy]

I thought it was brought up by Barry's attorney that it was a lie along with Macy saying she would get a job and move out with Suzanne something Suzanne told SO

This certainly supports those texts from Suzanne. It's almost as if Barry was lying when he described the "perfect" marriage:

 

[justtrish]

If I had a penny for every time that someone said their partner was a narcissist... If I were a juror on this case, I would agree that the texts are only what Suzanne told SO. But I would find them important to know Suzanne, and where her head was. Sure, she edited her life to her best friend because she knew SO would judge her harshly. For me, the texts give me a sense of Suzanne and her life, and she was not happy. I believe she discussed divorce with Barry. There are texts saying she is done. She did tell SO she went back and forth on it. I believe Suzanne when she wonders what the heck she was thinking marrying Barry, and how she had been broken at the time. Throw in trash runs, telematics, last signs of life, a boyfriend with an alibi, the ridiculous Broomfield job, texts and phone calls, Barry’s interviews and story changes based on data he was presented, how can you say it was somebody else?

I think in this case Suzanne didn't just say he was a narcissist though, she explained things he did or said that really paint the picture that is was controlling and possibly a narcissist. There is a difference in me saying my husband is xyz and me pouring my heart out explaining things he has done and then others being able to infer that he is a narcissist. I think that is clear here with just the small bits we have read. We even have Barry admitting to LE that he said or did some things just to hurt her, which confirms some of the things she was texting or telling others. I am not a mental health professional so of course I can't diagnose anyone with anything. I just think her words line up with his very own lies and then admissions to LE. It paints a picture far bigger than just Suzanne saying he is xyz.

 

[Boxer]

This case is driving me nuts! Unlike other cases, it's all presumptions. I don't see any proof he killed her at all. We don't know Barry. Her friend SO, must be questioning Suzanne credibility after finding out she had an affair. His daughters know him the best and they do not think he killed her. They certainly know more than we do. Did LE look at anyone else or any other scenarios?

There is no proof Chandler Haldersen killed his parents.
In that case their remains were found.
The defense still went with basically there is no video of him killing them.

This has less evidence because of no body, but the structure is the same, events surrounding a persons disappearnce leave no other reasonable option.

And in BMs case lying about his actions in the circumstances surrounding hos wife's disappearance is a form of confession.

 

[justtrish]

Do any of you think that the prosecution should withdraw and start again?

I think if they really felt they didn't have enough, they would do just this. We have to trust that they have more that isn't out there yet. The vehicle data for Suzanne's vehicle wasn't back yet at the time of the writing of the AA. Something else was also still pending I can't recall what it is now offhand. No doubt they have been continuing to investigate since last May and might have further evidence back. They have had plenty of time to build a case. We don't know what their angle really is because what is presented at the probably cause hearing is just what they feel they need to present to get held over for trial. They don't have to show all their cards of how they will go about presenting things at the trial. I still have faith in them and think moving forward is likely to get a conviction.

 

[Nikynoo]

I added articles this morning. Done for today, except I need to still label over 50 photos.
However, if you want to see what the pics are, it is in the top line of the description. It is what I label the pics myself before adding so I can label there later.

Photobucket

And--- also for newer people who may be following, it is just a photobucket account, I pay for it, I do not receive any pay for views.
I started doing this "saving stuff" maybe 15 years ago when I first joined WS.
Anyways, don't worry. You may have to wade through an ad or two, but it is a safe place.

I have been accused of crazy things, and been contacted by LE a handful of times. Hehe I may actually be a little nutty.

Thanks for postings these.

I have queries for two of the photos.

The scratches - I don't think they are fingernail scratches. My reasoning is that they are too short and uniform. However, i am wondering if I am looking at the picture the wrong way. If B had S in a headlock, that may work, but I still think that are too short, unless in this scenario, S lost consciousness quickly.


The Bike - is it just angles, as it seems to me that there is only dirt residue on part of the tyres (both back and front). Are there any cyclists on here who could tell me whether this bike has brakes on the back and on the front and what kind of dirst residue would be on the tyres if the bike braked hard and skidded to a halt.