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Maybe Bare can fill in these blanks: d_r_n_ed p_yc_o_a_hThat there were no chemicals at PP should hardly be exculpatory! He said he'd used it in April so it ought to have been there.
That it was no longer there when you'd expect it to be there is evidentiary!
The defendant disposed of it in order to conceal his method!
The defense would have the judge believe that a sheath was planted (which makes no sense because who could've predicted Barry would cop to owning, using and disposing of tranq materials?!) or that it had nothing to do with MDW (but again, then why was Barry disposing of tranq materials on MDW?) And what exactly was he doing on Saturday, in the minutes following 2:43? He admits he was running around, admits he was firing a weapon....
He himself fills in the blanks...
Question stands:
Why was there a syringe sheath at all?
He wasn't tranqueing chipmunk cheeks.
Unless that was a pet name.
JMO
RSABBM
THIS^^^is a most ridiculous statement. Come on now! How many times have you found and item in the bottom of your dryer that undoubtedly came from your or a family members pocket?! Goodness knows I wish those pesky Kleenex tissues would stay in! Quarter, dimes, nickels and pennies. I’ve even been fortunate enough to find some bills!I really hate the chapsticks that mess up a load.
Dead give away IE. YOU don’t do your own laundry!JMHO
My thinking as well. What difference would it make if BAM and dart were in an outside shed on the seven acres? It doesn’t matter where the materials were kept. The judge doesn’t know if Suzanne was injected inside or outside. The only reason a sheath was in the dryer was because Barry washed and dried his shorts, and that’s where Barry left the sheath.
RSABBM
THIS^^^is a most ridiculous statement. Come on now! How many times have you found and item in the bottom of your dryer that undoubtedly came from your or a family members pocket?! Goodness knows I wish those pesky Kleenex tissues would stay in! Quarter, dimes, nickels and pennies. I’ve even been fortunate enough to find some bills!I really hate the chapsticks that mess up a load.
Dead give away IE. YOU don’t do your own laundry!JMHO
His whole behavior was off; not just that quote.
This case grabbed my attention right away, as it initially appeared to be a stranger abduction, which is an incredibly rare event on the whole.
Even more unusual, was Suzanne's victimology. She was a low risk victim, doing an activity in a low crime area. She was also outside the typical age range of someone who falls prey to a p REDACTED BY ME.
The other unusual thing was that law enforcement was immediately focused on him in spite of the fact he was known to them via the fire department and they likely shared mutual friends.
Something about the scene, his demeanor etc..
Thanks for sharing your insight @CGray123.
I think the experience of your civil rights attorney friends to require and obtain huge advanced fees from their plaintiff clients is very unique -- unless of course, they only take cases with gross uncertainty by very well-heeled clients.
Given how the majority of civil rights complaints are tried in Federal Courts where 42 USC
§ 1988 allows federal courts to award reasonable attorney’s fees for actions pursued under section 1983 (civil rights violations), in my experience, most plaintiffs in civil rights matters do not pay hefty legal fees upfront.
I believe the same statute has long motivated a defendant (police department, some other agency, or municipality) to settle prior to trial (not risking both compensatory money damages but also attorneys fees-- easily doubling the amount a defendant required to payout).
Specific to the unprecedented (and untried) Colorado reform law, I'm really not familiar with exactly what parts of the proposal made it into law but I do recall that similar to federal statute, the proposal would have allowed anyone whose Colorado constitutional rights are infringed upon to bring a civil action in state court and receive reasonable attorney fees and court costs upon prevailing.
And to quote reform supporter Attorney Andy McNulty:
“Without the Colorado Rights Act, the Colorado Constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper on a shelf gathering dust for most Colorado residents,” said Andy McNulty, a Denver civil rights attorney. Most Coloradans, he testified, can’t afford to pay an attorney to fight violations of their state constitutional rights.
IMO, the same applies to most individuals in Colorado and beyond (well, except for the clients of your civil rights attorney friends).
MOO
42 U.S. Code § 1988 - Proceedings in vindication of civil rights
https://www.kln-law.com/andrew-mcnulty
My thinking as well. What difference would it make if BAM and dart were in an outside shed on the seven acres? It doesn’t matter where the materials were kept. The judge doesn’t know if Suzanne was injected inside or outside. The only reason a sheath was in the dryer was because Barry washed and dried his shorts, and that’s where Barry left the sheath.
For wrongful death in Colorado I believe only the daughters have a legal right to sue for wrongful death and the statute of limitations is 2 years. An interesting question since Suzanne is not yet declared legally deceased so I'm not sure how that factors into the 2 year timeline or when the proverbial clock starts ticking. "Of course she'd dead" doesn't equate to "yes she's deceased" in my mind but I'm no legal expert.With all the talk of Lawsuits that BM may attempt, are there just as many that others can pursue against him? I am no attorney but I think back to OJ Simpson...
Also, in a lawsuit trial, is there less burden of proof needed to file or successfully sue someone than the state proving beyond doubt of a crime?
Just some thoughts I had...
I’m especially interested to see how Seattle weighs in on your question. Personally I would love the Moormans to sue the pants off Barry with a wrongful death lawsuit. Fingers crossed!With all the talk of Lawsuits that BM may attempt, are there just as many that others can pursue against him? I am no attorney but I think back to OJ Simpson...
Also, in a lawsuit trial, is there less burden of proof needed to file or successfully sue someone than the state proving beyond doubt of a crime?
Just some thoughts I had...
Reasonable attorney fees are awarded to the prevailing plaintiff under the Enhance Law Enforcement Integrity Act as they are under the Civil Rights Acts, state and Federal. And the potential award is an important element in whether an attorney takes a case. So is the attorney's assessment of the likelihood of recovery and the potential size of the plaintiffs' award. Retainer agreements differ among plaintiffs for a variety of reasons, and there is no doubt that plaintiffs who can pay the hourly rate subsidize those who can't.Thanks for sharing your insight @CGray123.
I think the experience of your civil rights attorney friends to require and obtain huge advanced fees from their plaintiff clients is very unique -- unless of course, they only take cases with gross uncertainty by very well-heeled clients.
Given how the majority of civil rights complaints are tried in Federal Courts where 42 USC
§ 1988 allows federal courts to award reasonable attorney’s fees for actions pursued under section 1983 (civil rights violations), in my experience, most plaintiffs in civil rights matters do not pay hefty legal fees upfront.
I believe the same statute has long motivated a defendant (police department, some other agency, or municipality) to settle prior to trial (not risking both compensatory money damages but also attorneys fees-- easily doubling the amount a defendant required to payout).
Specific to the unprecedented (and untried) Colorado reform law, I'm really not familiar with exactly what parts of the proposal made it into law but I do recall that similar to federal statute, the proposal would have allowed anyone whose Colorado constitutional rights are infringed upon to bring a civil action in state court and receive reasonable attorney fees and court costs upon prevailing.
And to quote reform supporter Attorney Andy McNulty:
“Without the Colorado Rights Act, the Colorado Constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper on a shelf gathering dust for most Colorado residents,” said Andy McNulty, a Denver civil rights attorney. Most Coloradans, he testified, can’t afford to pay an attorney to fight violations of their state constitutional rights.
IMO, the same applies to most individuals in Colorado and beyond (well, except for the clients of your civil rights attorney friends).
MOO
42 U.S. Code § 1988 - Proceedings in vindication of civil rights
https://www.kln-law.com/andrew-mcnulty
Nice thought, but I believe that is disallowed in Colorado. A lawyer would have to respond. Some of us discussed this back with the Frazee case when her parent sued for wrongful death and the suit was turned down as only the "baby" was technically allowed under Colorado law.I’m especially interested to see how Seattle weighs in on your question. Personally I would love the Moormans to sue the pants off Barry with a wrongful death lawsuit. Fingers crossed!
@Puzzles8 Good point. That was a big, Big, BIG safe in the PP garage which could accommodate one or more large articles that few S.D. boxes would hold. No records of access (when it was opened & closed) would seem to be one of BM's desired storage features.Barry had a large gun safe in his garage. This safe was completely under his cloak and control. With safety deposit box, there are records. IMO, Barry doesn't like official records...... My bet is he had no safety deposit box. JMO
@MassGuy bbm sbm Thanks for your post. BM's description prompted my imagination to go wild w a...
Barry was asked about the tranquilizer darts in his house. He stated that the darts' purpose was to tranquilize bucks to sell them. He said the bucks could then be placed in a trailer that has cubicles....
^^bbmMy thinking as well. What difference would it make if BAM and dart were in an outside shed on the seven acres? It doesn’t matter where the materials were kept. The judge doesn’t know if Suzanne was injected inside or outside. The only reason a sheath was in the dryer was because Barry washed and dried his shorts, and that’s where Barry left the sheath.
Reasonable attorney fees are awarded to the prevailing plaintiff under the Enhance Law Enforcement Integrity Act as they are under the Civil Rights Acts, state and Federal. And the potential award is an important element in whether an attorney takes a case. So is the attorney's assessment of the likelihood of recovery and the potential size of the plaintiffs' award. Retainer agreements differ among plaintiffs for a variety of reasons, and there is no doubt that plaintiffs who can pay the hourly rate subsidize those who can't.
Law is a high cost business. A friend who is a partner has to bring in a base of $200,000 a month baseline under his partnership agreement. In plaintiffs' work, people who can pay something are expected to do so. Waiting for a potential award of attorney fees at the end of a fully litigated case would not be an attractive option. He would use the potential award to leverage a settlement in a case that would definitely survive the motions to dismiss, but that is the statute's primary value to him. Don't get me wrong, he takes on some cases for indigent clients simply because he believes in the client and is passionate about righting the wrong, but those are high risk business decisions for him and the firm, and the attorney fee statute is a minor factor in the decision.
BM can pay the full freight. His case under the Colorado reform law is inherently speculative: the LEIA has yet to be tested. The likely award is pretty small, $25,000. The investigators didn't violate his rights at all, and not all of them are "peace officers" as defined in the act. The prosecutors, who allegedly violated BM's civil rights by filing a case with no merit and withholding evidence, aren't "peace officers" at all.
Now, all of the state and federal actors could be sued under Federal civil rights law, but that law predates the state reform law you labelled "crazy" by decades. The claims under the Federal statutes would be difficult to sustain IMO, so I have no doubt the attorneys will ask BM to pay what he can. And I have no doubt they will advise him the claims are speculative and the outcome can't be guaranteed.
What I understand from my friend leads me to believe BM will be gambling with high stakes if he pursues a civil claim, even in the unlikely event he is acquitted.
Specific to BM's civil rights claim by Fisher & Byrialsen, PLLC, while we're not privileged to his agreement, their website provides the following:
Fees
Fisher & Byrialsen, PLLC handles all civil rights cases on a contingency fee basis. This means that the firm does not get paid unless the case is successfully litigated or settled.
Law Offices of Fisher and Byrialsen
With all the talk of Lawsuits that BM may attempt, are there just as many that others can pursue against him? I am no attorney but I think back to OJ Simpson...
Also, in a lawsuit trial, is there less burden of proof needed to file or successfully sue someone than the state proving beyond doubt of a crime?
Just some thoughts I had...
For wrongful death in Colorado I believe only the daughters have a legal right to sue for wrongful death and the statute of limitations is 2 years. An interesting question since Suzanne is not yet declared legally deceased so I'm not sure how that factors into the 2 year timeline or when the proverbial clock starts ticking. "Of course she'd dead" doesn't equate to "yes she's deceased" in my mind but I'm no legal expert.
I’m especially interested to see how Seattle weighs in on your question. Personally I would love the Moormans to sue the pants off Barry with a wrongful death lawsuit. Fingers crossed!
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From pg 121/131 of the AA -- Agent Grusing told BM that they did not find any BAM (i.e., a brand name for a deer tranquilizer inside the house). Barry expanded here about BAM, Telazol, and Xylazine, and offered he last used rx tranquilizer in April 2020 (SM vanished May 10, 2020).
BAM Deer Tranquilizer
ETA: Defense Exhibits -- see pgs 51-69 for dart evidence.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/11th_Judicial_District/Chaffee/cases of interest/21CR78/Defense Prelim Hearing Ex Rest.pdf