Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, Chaffee Co, 10 May 2020 *Case dismissed w/o Prejudice* #103

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"To date, the area has 5 feet of snow concealing the location where the People believe Ms. Morphew is located."
Hope this pans put.
They must have something that leads them to this idea.
 
  • #222
Also, I imagine her inheritances would have contributed nicely to their lifestyle. It certainly wasn’t all Barry’s doing, IMO.

One thing I could never get past is Barry burying old furniture. Maybe they don’t have good recycling facilities or charities that accept furniture donations near enough, but the eco side of this alone blew my mind. Talk about cutting corners o_O
There are PLENTY of places to take old furniture, etc. on the north side of Indy. This seems to be a case of Barry being in a hurry and not wanting to haul it anywhere. Anyone else recall his ‘Beverly Hillbilly’ moving photo?
 
  • #223
I assume they also don't attempt to grope married women, con people out of money, publicly attack former employees as "meth heads," discuss their daughter's virginity in front of guests, accuse a missing person's family of being responsible for their disappearance, accuse a guy who sold CBD at a farmer's market of being involved, and you know, commit murder...
Wow you got it covered. Don’t know how he can look his girls in the eye. Some things are past understanding. I hope he is charged again and soon.
 
  • #224
So do they have this suspected dump site surveilled?
If not somebody probably has made a few trips to retrieve evidence.
Some people aren't going to worry about the danger involved in digging down into 5ft of snow.
 
  • #225
IMO, I doubt very much he viewed her as "his property". Just one of many overstated comments to be found in this particular case, IMO.
Actually, the affidavit says BM “took steps to control her, incapacitate her, stage a crime scene and create his alibi for her disappearance” in the days leading up to her alleged death on either May 9 or 10.

The description of BM by SM's own family member(s) that have known BM for most of his life was that BM viewed/treated SM and their daughters as his trophies.

 
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IMO, I doubt very much he viewed her as "his property". Just one of many overstated comments to be found in this particular case, IMO.

. . . and what statements are those?

Source, please.

JMVHO
 
  • #227
. . . and what statements are those?

Source, please.

JMVHO
The quote is from the arrest avidavit and prosecution’s original theory of what happened. We can only guess what pieces will remain if he were ever to be charged again. It was written in my opinion to support the original sentence enhancer in the original charges.
 
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IMO, I doubt very much he viewed her as "his property". Just one of many overstated comments to be found in this particular case, IMO.
I’m think I addressed this subject in a previous post, but here goes again. In the 1940s and 50s thousands of people moved to Central Indiana to work in the General Motors plants in Anderson which employed 25,000 at its peak. Several of those families were from Arkansas. They were evangelical Bible Belt Southern Baptists with limited educations. The chance to work a good paying union job with medical benefits was definitely worth leaving a hard-scrabble southern existence. And, if you moved with friends and family, it made that move a little easier. A couple of those evangelical beliefs that came with them were/are that the man is the head of the household, and wives are to submit to their husbands. My family went to a more liberal church and was friends with Suzanne’s family. Suzanne was about 16-17 years younger than me. After meeting Barry she left our church, joined Barry’s church, and was married there. (In my younger years young women typically were married in the church they grew up in, and not vice versa.) I know her older siblings well. If they said she was regarded as Barry’s trophy (property), then she absolutely was. I think many of what you consider “overstated comments” are right on the money when it comes to Barry. You have to know and understand a person’s background before you make blanket statements like that. MOO…
 
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Actually, the affidavit says BM “took steps to control her, incapacitate her, stage a crime scene and create his alibi for her disappearance” in the days leading up to her alleged death on either May 9 or 10.

The description of BM by SM's own family member(s) that have known BM for most of his life was that BM viewed/treated SM and their daughters as his trophies.

Thank you so much for this link! I saved it this time!
 
  • #230
I’m think I addressed this subject in a previous post, but here goes again. In the 1940s and 50s thousands of people moved to Central Indiana to work in the General Motors plants in Anderson which employed 25,000 at its peak. Several of those families were from Arkansas. They were evangelical Bible Belt Southern Baptists with limited educations. The chance to work a good paying union job with medical benefits was definitely worth leaving a hard-scrabble southern existence. And, if you moved with friends and family, it made that move a little easier. A couple of those evangelical beliefs that came with them were/are that the man is the head of the household, and wives are to submit to their husbands. My family went to a more liberal church and was friends with Suzanne’s family. Suzanne was about 16-17 years younger than me. After meeting Barry she left our church, joined Barry’s church, and was married there. (In my younger years young women typically were married in the church they grew up in, and not vice versa.) I know her older siblings well. If they said she was regarded as Barry’s trophy (property), then she absolutely was. I think many of what you consider “overstated comments” are right on the money when it comes to Barry. You have to know and understand a person’s background before you make blanket statements like that. MOO…
@NatureLover Thanks for the that insider confirmation. We also had his cousin from Arkansas who wrote an op Ed in the Daily Beast, linked below, that shed quite a bit of insight on Barry’s thoughts when it came to what were their roles inside that marriage were
 
  • #231
So do they have this suspected dump site surveilled?
If not somebody probably has made a few trips to retrieve evidence.
Some people aren't going to worry about the danger involved in digging down into 5ft of snow.
MOO, but I don't think they have a specific site, like the entrance to a mine or cave. They have a search area that may be familiar only to outdoorsmen who live in the area and know it intimately. Not a place where the casual hiker is likely to go, but accessible to someone who is accustomed to carrying deer carcasses out of the wilderness to a trailhead. Maybe BM discovered it while tracking a wounded animal. It was the place he had in mind when he told MG he could hide a body where no-one would find it.

The danger of searching may be a factor, but it seems more likely to me that the area must thaw thoroughly to give cadaver dogs their best chance to find the remains. @Trackergd might know more about this, if s/he is still around.

Still, ITA the site should be monitored. If the SO is serious - and I believe they are - the trailheads and trails approaching this area are peppered with trail cams. I'd love to see BM try to remove SM from her temporary grave.
 
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I’m think I addressed this subject in a previous post, but here goes again. In the 1940s and 50s thousands of people moved to Central Indiana to work in the General Motors plants in Anderson which employed 25,000 at its peak. Several of those families were from Arkansas. They were evangelical Bible Belt Southern Baptists with limited educations. The chance to work a good paying union job with medical benefits was definitely worth leaving a hard-scrabble southern existence. And, if you moved with friends and family, it made that move a little easier. A couple of those evangelical beliefs that came with them were/are that the man is the head of the household, and wives are to submit to their husbands. My family went to a more liberal church and was friends with Suzanne’s family. Suzanne was about 16-17 years younger than me. After meeting Barry she left our church, joined Barry’s church, and was married there. (In my younger years young women typically were married in the church they grew up in, and not vice versa.) I know her older siblings well. If they said she was regarded as Barry’s trophy (property), then she absolutely was. I think many of what you consider “overstated comments” are right on the money when it comes to Barry. You have to know and understand a person’s background before you make blanket statements like that. MOO…
Thank you for your comments and for being on WS. Nice to have a friend of Suzanne’s family here.

While I grew up in the South and believe to this day that a real man is the head of the household, Barry nowhere fits the description of a real man. A Christian man is kind and gentle, loves his wife, treats her like a queen and if she went to him and said it’s over, though his heart might break, he would want her to be happy and let her go. There aren’t many men like that but I know a few. They don’t control, abuse or commit murder.
 
  • #233
The quote is from the arrest avidavit and prosecution’s original theory of what happened. We can only guess what pieces will remain if he were ever to be charged again. It was written in my opinion to support the original sentence enhancer in the original charges.
Murdering your significant other supports the domestic violence enhancer, just like we saw in the Frazee case.

That's because murder is the ultimate act of domestic violence.

They don't have to prove other acts (although Barry confirmed them).
 
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I’m think I addressed this subject in a previous post, but here goes again. In the 1940s and 50s thousands of people moved to Central Indiana to work in the General Motors plants in Anderson which employed 25,000 at its peak. Several of those families were from Arkansas. They were evangelical Bible Belt Southern Baptists with limited educations. The chance to work a good paying union job with medical benefits was definitely worth leaving a hard-scrabble southern existence. And, if you moved with friends and family, it made that move a little easier. A couple of those evangelical beliefs that came with them were/are that the man is the head of the household, and wives are to submit to their husbands. My family went to a more liberal church and was friends with Suzanne’s family. Suzanne was about 16-17 years younger than me. After meeting Barry she left our church, joined Barry’s church, and was married there. (In my younger years young women typically were married in the church they grew up in, and not vice versa.) I know her older siblings well. If they said she was regarded as Barry’s trophy (property), then she absolutely was. I think many of what you consider “overstated comments” are right on the money when it comes to Barry. You have to know and understand a person’s background before you make blanket statements like that. MOO…

Thanks for this info. It is new to me!

I am not at all surprised to learn of this stuff.
 
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MOO, but I don't think they have a specific site, like the entrance to a mine or cave. They have a search area that may be familiar only to outdoorsmen who live in the area and know it intimately. Not a place where the casual hiker is likely to go, but accessible to someone who is accustomed to carrying deer carcasses out of the wilderness to a trailhead. Maybe BM discovered it while tracking a wounded animal. It was the place he had in mind when he told MG he could hide a body where no-one would find it.

The danger of searching may be a factor, but it seems more likely to me that the area must thaw thoroughly to give cadaver dogs their best chance to find the remains. @Trackergd might know more about this, if s/he is still around.

Still, ITA the site should be monitored. If the SO is serious - and I believe they are - the trailheads and trails approaching this area are peppered with trail cams. I'd love to see BM try to remove SM from her temporary grave.

I think the situation might be similar to those described in No Stone Unturned

In other words they have a general lead on an area - but it might be quite big. So for example, if you have intel someone is buried in a field in a particular area - finding exactly where is still a challenge - you can't dig up the whole field. Mountainous areas are even more challenging.

e.g they might be wanting drones to look for disturbances so need no snow cover
 
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Thank you for your comments and for being on WS. Nice to have a friend of Suzanne’s family here.

While I grew up in the South and believe to this day that a real man is the head of the household, Barry nowhere fits the description of a real man. A Christian man is kind and gentle, loves his wife, treats her like a queen and if she went to him and said it’s over, though his heart might break, he would want her to be happy and let her go. There aren’t many men like that but I know a few. They don’t control, abuse or commit murder.

Great post.

I get kind of frustrated with trying to invoke the accused's spiritual identity as evidence of good character because the level of generality is too high to prove anything.

However the specific evidence of the accused's conduct is highly relevant.

I think a lot of stuff gets swept under the table by the legal rules because many men exhibit the same behaviours, but in the context of a murder case they are in fact highly relevant.
 
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MOO, but I don't think they have a specific site, like the entrance to a mine or cave. They have a search area that may be familiar only to outdoorsmen who live in the area and know it intimately. Not a place where the casual hiker is likely to go, but accessible to someone who is accustomed to carrying deer carcasses out of the wilderness to a trailhead. Maybe BM discovered it while tracking a wounded animal. It was the place he had in mind when he told MG he could hide a body where no-one would find it.

The danger of searching may be a factor, but it seems more likely to me that the area must thaw thoroughly to give cadaver dogs their best chance to find the remains. @Trackergd might know more about this, if s/he is still around.

Still, ITA the site should be monitored. If the SO is serious - and I believe they are - the trailheads and trails approaching this area are peppered with trail cams. I'd love to see BM try to remove SM from her temporary grave.
In colder weather, scent lays closer to the ground than in warmer weather. After this amount of time, every advantage should be given to the scent dogs and warmer weather may afford that, however I would not delay an initial search followed by a more intense search when the weather warms.
 
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Great post.

I get kind of frustrated with trying to invoke the accused's spiritual identity as evidence of good character because the level of generality is too high to prove anything.

However the specific evidence of the accused's conduct is highly relevant.

I think a lot of stuff gets swept under the table by the legal rules because many men exhibit the same behaviours, but in the context of a murder case they are in fact highly relevant.
Agree completely. We are all individuals.

Although murdering or dv isn’t rare, there are many men and women not discussed here, I.e., the decent ones. They aren’t hypocrites. They work, provide for their families, love their wives, are faithful and stand by the vows of for better or worse, in sickness or in health, for richer or poorer, and so on. I know because I’ve been married to one for 38 years. And my first husband was the exact opposite, an abuser who terrified me and took advantage of my naive and innocent ways. To be fair, his own dad taught him those things.

I’m not preaching here. I just think when we look at Barry’s actions and the circumstantial evidence, we conclude he is guilty of being that particular kind of hypocrite, an abuser, a controller and a murderer.
 
  • #239
I assume they also don't attempt to grope married women, con people out of money, publicly attack former employees as "meth heads," discuss their daughter's virginity in front of guests, accuse a missing person's family of being responsible for their disappearance, accuse a guy who sold CBD at a farmer's market of being involved, and you know, commit murder...
Especially that last one!
 
  • #240
Great post.

I get kind of frustrated with trying to invoke the accused's spiritual identity as evidence of good character because the level of generality is too high to prove anything.

However the specific evidence of the accused's conduct is highly relevant.

I think a lot of stuff gets swept under the table by the legal rules because many men exhibit the same behaviours, but in the context of a murder case they are in fact highly relevant.
BBM
ITA. There have been mass murderers, including Hitler and Jim Jones; serial killers, Gary Ridgway, Dennis Rader and many more; they were all professed devout Christians. IMO Barry’s Christianity doesn’t exclude him from the act of murder.
 
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