Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, Chaffee Co, 10 May 2020 *Case dismissed w/o Prejudice* #103

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  • #681
Manslaughter seems a red herring to me.

It's not the prosecution case.

Nor is the defence trying to argue it down from murder on the basis that Bazza was involved but lacked intention to murder.

I don't see how a jury could reach that verdict.
 
  • #682
Naw, he's not that smart. It's clear he thinks and lies on an almost childlike level. He was just arrogant enough to believe he could do to law enforcement what he did his entire life.

A single lie can bury you in front of a jury, and Barry didn't tell just one.

We could do pages and pages on our own favorite lies.
 
  • #683
There are compulsive liars and then there are pathological liars. Compulsive liars lie out of habit and are uncomfortable telling the truth. They avoid eye contact, and will ramble on. Pathological liars lie incessantly to get their way...are manipulative, and have no problem with eye contact and often believe their own lies as truth... Also, the compulsive liar lies to avoid confrontation with truth..while the compulsive liar does so with little regard for the feelings and rights of others; and develop lying skills at a very early age. Barry to me is pathological, not compulsive. One more thing...the compulsive liar is much more willing to admit to lying than the pathological liar. JMO.
 
  • #684
Really? I missed that about Iris trying to reduce to Manslaughter. I guess that is just being a good defense attorney to have a lesser charge would mean more time if he was convicted, but in my mind if I was innocent, I wouldn't like the look of this one. It seems like suggesting a lesser charge is like saying it was really manslaughter.
The defense made every conceivable argument to make BM eligible for bail. Some of them I would call "throwaways" - arguments that had no hope of succeeding but that were part of the effort to persuade the judge to at least grant bail if he wouldn't dismiss the case. IIRC, in this context attorney Connelly (an appeals specialist) suggested that since in the defense's view the evidence didn't support First Degree Murder After Deliberation, the Judge M could find probable cause on a lesser charge that was eligible for bail. I don't recall whether it was manslaughter or Second Degree Murder, but it wouldn't matter as both are bail eligible. This is a no hope argument because the judge cannot usurp the prosecutor's role in setting the charge. The defense may have hoped the judge would signal to the prosecutors that they should amend their complaint and information if they wanted to keep their case alive.
 
  • #685
Manslaughter seems a red herring to me.

It's not the prosecution case.

Nor is the defence trying to argue it down from murder on the basis that Bazza was involved but lacked intention to murder.

I don't see how a jury could reach that verdict.
We won’t know unless they pull the trigger and seek a new arrest warrant.
 
  • #686
Sorry to digress a little - but when my now 52-year-old lovely son was little, he occasionally told a fib, as we all do and did. And I always knew when he was fibbing. Decades later I enlightened him as to how I knew - it was because he was just so brilliant at it! I imagine Barry has lied all his life, and I wonder if people always believed him, which encouraged him to keep polishing up his lying skills.
 
  • #687
Sorry to digress a little - but when my now 52-year-old lovely son was little, he occasionally told a fib, as we all do and did. And I always knew when he was fibbing. Decades later I enlightened him as to how I knew - it was because he was just so brilliant at it! I imagine Barry has lied all his life, and I wonder if people always believed him, which encouraged him to keep polishing up his lying skills.

LOL! I like how you told him decades later.

I agree. Barry has lied all of his life, and I believe he was enabled to do so by those around him.

JMVHO.
 
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  • #688
LOL! I like how you told him decades later.

I agree. Barry has lied all of his life, and I believe he was enabled to do so by those around him.

JMVHO.
That and the fact that the people who knew him casually or professionally just didn’t care to get entangled with his crap, so they just let him spin while they thought of other things.
 
  • #689
That and the fact that the people who knew him casually or professionally just didn’t care to get entangled with his crap, so they just let him spin while they thought of other things.
It sounded like people who knew him knew he exaggerated and told stories. For me that was obvious in the snippets gathered in the AA. Some could be believable and some were obviously “tales.”
 
  • #690
That and the fact that the people who knew him casually or professionally just didn’t care to get entangled with his crap, so they just let him spin while they thought of other things.
So true!

Science offers abundant confirmation of what we know: everybody lies. Bella DePaulo, a well known expert on lying and lie detection, sums it up this way: "Lying is just so ordinary, so much a part of our everyday lives and everyday conversations that we hardly notice it. And in many cases, it would be more difficult, challenging, and stressful for people to tell the truth than to lie."

In fact, there is a model of human intelligence called the "Machiavellian Intelligence Hypothesis" which holds that a great advance in human intelligence was triggered by the need for humans to develop their capacity for manipulation, pretense, and deception, because they enabled the relatively harmonious social interaction that allowed humans to work together in groups - an enormous evolutionary advantage. [Dunbar, R.I. & Schultz, S (2007, September 7) Evolution in the Social Brain. Science, p. 317, 1344-1347. doi:10:1126/science.1145463].

It seems obvious to me that we all enable one another's lying to some extent.

What seems to distinguish BM from the rest of us garden variety liars (MOO) is a lack of empathy for others, and a lack of remorse for cruel behaviors. It seems obvious that he can put on a glib and superficially charming front, but it's also apparent from the AA that he tends to be dishonest, manipulative, and unwilling to accept responsibility. I am not an expert in psychology by any stretch of the imagination, but to me this looks too much like a psychopath to hold his family, friends, and neighbors to account for enabling. This might just be a wiring issue.
 
  • #691
It sounded like people who knew him knew he exaggerated and told stories. For me that was obvious in the snippets gathered in the AA. Some could be believable and some were obviously “tales.”
Where I'm from, "tales" are known as "lies."
 
  • #692
Good question. I had never seen anything like Casey Anthony. Jodi Arias came close but Casey was a head spinner. She knew she was guilty. She knew everybody was onto her. Yet she kept being defiant. I think that’s why the prosecutor was over confidant. When the jury gave a verdict of not guilty I ranted for hours. I really wanted to slap them. But I’m in another State. Lol. To this day, I don’t get it.

I believe Barry’s lies are just part of who he is. He believes his lies. Casey did not. He believes people believe him. Even Suzanne finally began to question him and he would walk out on her. He couldn’t believe she didn’t believe him.

Barry knows he is a murderer and a liar but he has had the women in his life baby him for so long. (Sort of like Casey but different.)

He had a sense of entitlement that people take his word. That’s what got him in trouble with LE and CBI. Thank goodness for Grusing.
This is why I am glad when the crimes get into federal court. Also on federal court, no parole. You do the real time
 
  • #693
This is why I am glad when the crimes get into federal court. Also on federal court, no parole. You do the real time
Whatever it takes for Barry to face justice, I’m good with it. Hope it comes sooner rather than later.
 
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Where I'm from, "tales" are known as "lies."
Especially when you’re talking to LE.

They’re not exactly visiting for a bedtime story!!
 
  • #696
It sounded like people who knew him knew he exaggerated and told stories. For me that was obvious in the snippets gathered in the AA. Some could be believable and some were obviously “tales.”
Tales? They were lies!
 
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There are so many facts we do not know. Some things I would really like to know are:
1. When did Barry reserve his hotel room?
2. When or did Barry arrange for the weekend work with the contractor he was working for?
3. When and who arranged the daughter's vacation?
4. Does the prosecution have additional electronic device data?
5. Did his employee depositions reveal any pertinent evidence?
6. What did the daughter depositions reveal?
7. Has the prosecution been able to determine when the bedroom door frame was damaged?
8. What electronic data, if any, was collected from the other family vehicles?
 
  • #699
A new banner was put up at the Walmart in Salida for Suzanne. Says across the top "active investigation". Hopefully this means they are working the case again.
 

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A new banner was put up at the Walmart in Salida for Suzanne. Says across the top "active investigation". Hopefully this means they are working the case again.
I haven't seen those photos before! Beautiful. Car selfies....

If LE generated that flier, I suspect they've brought in a profiler. How to rattle a cage....

Cage. Fitting.

No shortage of animal tails here.

JMO
 
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