Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #79 *ARREST*

[Boxer]

Too bad prosecution didn't think of window peeping....might have been a more believable theory than the idea of Barry chasing Suzanne around with a tranquilizer gun at 35 mph on foot.

MOO I have used FMIP and Life 360 a lot. When someone moves around quick the path looks a bit scrambled.
Such as driving in a parking structure or around pumps in a gas station.
Given a decent opportunity to respond, I think the prosecution will have no trouble showing what it looks like digitally when someone is running around, and that it doesn't mean they are going 35mph or going through walls.

 

[10ofRods]

About the death wish thingy. I’m not up to speed on Freud, but the only one having a death wish was Barry……for Suzanne . He feigned having a death wish for himself, but that’s just what lying narcissists do. His love of self prevented him from doing it. That’s too bad because the world would be a better place without him, and a better place with Suzanne. And, his children wouldn’t have any financial worries. If he really loved his children he would come clean and save the legal expenses that are going to leave him poor….as a church mouse. (Another critter for our zoo!)

In the Freudian sense, it would be both of them who were pursuing a course of action fraught with risk - including life-ending risk. So, my love of travel means that I leave the house and sometimes go on an airplane (and I actually quite enjoy it - which is Freud's point; people everywhere have some form of risk-taking behavior that they seek and enjoy - that's who we are as humans). To put it the way a more modern psychologist said it (George Spindler), "All primates are attracted to risk, sex, play and competition...humans are no exception.") He went on to say that if we lack too much in the way of risk and scary adventure, we will create some culture to accomplish the scary feelings for us. So every culture, over time, has always had scary rituals or whatnot.

Barry took the risk of controlling his wife (including the risk that she would fall out of love and leave him), etc. Then he found even more risk-taking to be a solution to his inner turmoil. She did similar things. Most of us have done something risky at one time or another - even if it was just an actual roller coaster.

I agree that people who announce the kind of thing that Barry did ("I am going to kill myself if I can't control you,") are histrionic at best, and likely have many selfish (narcissistic) traits. Selfishness, by itself, is a real thing and is often accompanied by being a cheapskate. I thought it was interesting that Barry said, "If you arrest me, how am I going to raise my daughter?" rather than using the word "daughters." He sees an ending point to his "raising/parenting" (whereas many parents understand that there is really never an end to parenting...it changes, but it's still there).

(For some of us, it's scary enough just to read true crime - and risk learning some awful facts about humans).

 

[IceIce9]

Thanks @IceIce9 that makes sense and is probably why they used his phone. I was just wondering if they were snooping because they were suspicious. I guess he didn’t worry about them using his phone or he would delete her texts. Unless one came through while they were using his phone. That would sure be bad timing. Every time I see your WS name I hear Vanilla Ice singing ice ice baby! You may be too young to know that song but it is classic. Your avatar is cute too!

That is just a guess, they could have been snooping. It does make me think he must not have been concerned about it if he let them use his phone.

If Suzanne texted him while they were ordering pizza it probably shocked them! But I am unclear about whether his daughters asked JL about the text, or they told their uncle and he asked JL? I guess I am missing part of the story.

I do remember Vanilla Ice! However my WS “Ice” comes from Robert Frost’s poem “Fire and Ice”

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice

 

[Puzzles8]

Couple of things I've been pondering today...

TD's recording of BM - in the recording BM makes a comment about evidence being found, to take a picture and send to LE, so with helmet and bike being 'placed (maybe/absolutely) what else could have been placed by someone pushing an abduction story? Not the camelbak as that was in Suzanne's vehicle.
I reckon BM 'placed' other stuff and it's either not been made public or not been found.

RSBM for focus
Apple watch?

Don't serious bike riders usually have their biking shoes clipped to the bike pedals?

I wonder where her biking shoes, clips and watch were found? Maybe still in her closet?
JMO

 

[IceIce9]

RSBM for focus
Apple watch?

Don't serious bike riders usually have their biking shoes clipped to the bike pedals?

I wonder where her biking shoes, clips and watch were found? Maybe still in her closet?
JMO

Not all cyclists use clips, (actually referred to as “clipless” pedals) although most do. The clips are like cleats and part of the shoe, attached or embedded in the shoe so they would not be found separately.

I wonder too, if the bike shoes were found. If she was indeed using clipless pedals the shoes are difficult to walk in for any distance at all.

 

[Boxer]

RSBM for focus
Apple watch?

Don't serious bike riders usually have their biking shoes clipped to the bike pedals?

I wonder where her biking shoes, clips and watch were found? Maybe still in her closet?
JMO

The weird thing is that whoever bought her car from BM in Indiana found and apparently called in finding her sunglasses in the car.

 

[Lilypad13]

I guess you'd have to be as hard on Suzanne and that's what bothers me most. Takes two to tango.
He's likely lost all or at least some respect from people he cared about. He didn't kill Suzanne. Her HUSBAND did.

Yes of course Barry is the real villain here and I get your point. It does take two to tango but I think some of us are harder on JL not for participating in the affair but for not coming forward as soon as Suzanne disappeared!! If the tables were turned I feel certain that Suzanne would have done the right thing by him. I didn’t know Suzanne personally or JL so this is just MOO. I was taken by surprise by the affair because I thought it would have been Barry cheating on Suzanne and not the other way around. And we still don’t know for sure that he didn’t cheat on her too. I don’t condone extramarital affairs but I still think Suzanne was a good, kind and decent person who was fallible just like the rest of us. She was certainly a willing participant but I feel she was somewhat led on by JL and in a way he took advantage of her mental state. And if he had suddenly ghosted her and then she found out he was missing under suspicious circumstances I don’t believe she would have pretended like he never existed and deleted everything to save herself. IMO

 

[Auntie Cipation]

One reason I don't think SM and JL were doing anything too intimate when BM arrived home is because BM had told SM he was coming home, when she texted "wanna hike" and he replied "no, I'm coming home".

SM might not have known exactly what time BM would arrive home, but unless she was mid-dalliance at the moment of that text and BM was already in the development when he replied to her, there is no way IMO she would have been naked for JL at the time BM got home.

MOO

 

[marylamby]

I am disgusted with JL not because of the affair (although I personally do not approve of it) but because he did not go to LE when they were asking for anyone who had contact with Suzanne to contact them. I feel that valuable evidence could have collected shortly after her disappearance if he had.

When I want to retrieve a comment already started? It's gone. When I'd like to delete one? I'm out of luck.
I'm sure SO and her sister contacted LE right away. JL may have anonymously contacted them too.
No one approves of an affair.
Suzanne was absolutely ashamed of staying with a man who abused her. It was likely a slow process. She wanted to believe him and believe in their marriage. When she'd finally realized he was only about himself (her money) and his own self-interests, she started to think about her life without him.
Admitting abuse makes you look weak and stupid and women feel that, unfortunately. That's why they keep it to themselves.
It took her a really long time to share what was really going on with her sister and her friend. In fact, it was within days of Barry murdering her.

 

[10ofRods]

I guess you'd have to be as hard on Suzanne and that's what bothers me most. Takes two to tango.
He's likely lost all or at least some respect from people he cared about. He didn't kill Suzanne. Her HUSBAND did.

Yes - precisely. Thank you so much for capturing my aspiration. I'm not there yet. But I shouldn't be so angry at JL - he didn't kill Suzanne and I wouldn't even be talking about him if he hadn't gotten involved (unwittingly) in a rare femicide event.

RSBM for focus
Apple watch?

Don't serious bike riders usually have their biking shoes clipped to the bike pedals?

I wonder where her biking shoes, clips and watch were found? Maybe still in her closet?
JMO

I think we learn from the webcam of MH (the young man) that Suzanne is a relative beginner. That being said, it's possible she had biking shoes - but that's never been mentioned (when I was her age, I gave up on bicycle shoes and clips, due to the higher risk of taking a bad fall without being able to disengage my foot). She wasn't doing the strenuous mountain paths near her (MH actually mentions the park she goes to, I'll try find it on a map). She was probably on a paved trail and not trying to set any speed records.

 

[Lyanna]

RSBM for focus
Apple watch?

Don't serious bike riders usually have their biking shoes clipped to the bike pedals?

I wonder where her biking shoes, clips and watch were found? Maybe still in her closet?
JMO

I thought watch too, but if an Apple watch, would that be linked to the iCloud?

My partner cycles a fair bit, takes one of those arm thingies that holds phone etc. so maybe something like that or gloves?
But then, trying to think like a fictional abductor/BM's idea of an abductor - why would they throw helmet and possibly other belongings away? They would just snatch and go, wouldn't they, the bike, yes I can see that being left but if you're stealing someone why would you toss stuff out the window of a vehicle for someone to see, assuming Suzanne went on a bike ride later in the day, where more people were around and travelling the roads?
If BM placed the helmet where it was found - I'm curious as to what he thought of the contact details inside? Or did he not notice? Not care and thought it may benefit him somehow? Was he hoping it would be found quickly, picked up and the contact numbers be rang (idk if there were contact numbers, but I can't see someone putting their home address down)? Would he have rang LE himself in that scenario - don't think so as he didn't bother ringing LE when neighbour said she wasn't home and ignored phone calls off LE.

 

[Lilypad13]

Agree, I fully expect the Defense to put Suzanne and her reputation on trial. Their job is to provide their client with a vigorous defense.

I have faith in LE, the Prosecution, and the jury.

#Justice4Suzanne

That is their job as Barry’s attorneys but it is also the jury’s responsibility to realize this and stick to the facts. If I was a juror they would have to try a lot harder than just proving Suzanne told lies to cover up an affair to make me not like her. Nothing would shock me at this point but I truly hope that is the worst thing they can say about Suzanne. I’m concerned about them trying to make her seem like she was abusing drugs and alcohol. Because Barry kept mentioning that in his interviews.

 

[OldCop]

It was never reported as a dumpster. It was the trash can in front of the store. They had just closed up when the younger employee looked out the front window and saw someone rummaging in the trash right by the door (I can't remember which of the approved youtube sources show the store and the trash, but it should be on the media thread). I also can no longer recall if they recognized Barry right away, but they opened the doors and asked what was up and he said his wife was missing and wrote the infamous Baby Blue Helmet note (I believe he wrote it on a piece of paper from the trash, IIRC). Very early on, someone interviewed the store owner (I think it was Lauren).

The store manager is a woman, the young man saw him first (and I believe he said that the trash area was his duty, so he paid attention). Nothing about a dumpster.

This is as I recall it also, @10ofRods. This was Tuesday, May12th, 2 days after SM disappeared. It was a very busy day for BM. I believe that this was the day he completely realized that he may actually be a suspect in her disappearance. He knew that LE was not buying his story. He needed to make sure he covered all bases.
AM was in town and he participated in a search with some of BM’s friends. BM put himself in a separate search group. He also sent TN and GD over to see MG and remind her she didn’t have to turn over her phone or talk to LE and that he wasn’t going to pay her because it would like hush hush money. Then BM slipped away from everyone and went rummaging through the trash at the Poncha Market and he was caught red handed.
My theory has been that he dumped SM’s phone in that trash can on his way out of town on Sunday morning after disabling it. He never thought that LE would doubt his story. He never thought that LE would be examining his movements on Sunday morning. Now he is nervous. What if he was captured on tape dumping that phone? He just had to go back and make sure it was not still in the trash. He thought the Market was closed. (Actually it was, but the employees were still inside.) when questioned he was so flustered he couldn’t even come up with a description of his missing wife.
Did he find what he was looking for on Tuesday evening or did he go back later?

 

[nodamselindistress]

I am seriously in the minority here but I want to hear what JL has to say not what has been reported. I am not jumping to conclusions about him at this point, I agree the circumstances are very unfortunate. That is all.

 

[Lyanna]

I am seriously in the minority here but I want to hear what JL has to say not what has been reported. I am not jumping to conclusions about him at this point, I agree the circumstances are very unfortunate. That is all.

Am undecided on him, but did think it was thoughtful (?) of him to acknowledge how difficult Mother's Day would be for Suzanne without her Mother, when he text her - BM didn't do that, and didn't he also message her about her appointment on 11th? Again, something BM didn't do that we have been told about - don't think BM messaged/rang her phone after discovering she was 'missing ' ? But very likely wrong there.

moo

ebm

 

[Lilypad13]

In the Freudian sense, it would be both of them who were pursuing a course of action fraught with risk - including life-ending risk. So, my love of travel means that I leave the house and sometimes go on an airplane (and I actually quite enjoy it - which is Freud's point; people everywhere have some form of risk-taking behavior that they seek and enjoy - that's who we are as humans). To put it the way a more modern psychologist said it (George Spindler), "All primates are attracted to risk, sex, play and competition...humans are no exception.") He went on to say that if we lack too much in the way of risk and scary adventure, we will create some culture to accomplish the scary feelings for us. So every culture, over time, has always had scary rituals or whatnot.

Barry took the risk of controlling his wife (including the risk that she would fall out of love and leave him), etc. Then he found even more risk-taking to be a solution to his inner turmoil. She did similar things. Most of us have done something risky at one time or another - even if it was just an actual roller coaster.

I agree that people who announce the kind of thing that Barry did ("I am going to kill myself if I can't control you,") are histrionic at best, and likely have many selfish (narcissistic) traits. Selfishness, by itself, is a real thing and is often accompanied by being a cheapskate. I thought it was interesting that Barry said, "If you arrest me, how am I going to raise my daughter?" rather than using the word "daughters." He sees an ending point to his "raising/parenting" (whereas many parents understand that there is really never an end to parenting...it changes, but it's still there).
R
(For some of us, it's scary enough just to read true crime - and risk learning some awful facts about humans).

Wow that was deep and really good @10ofRods! Maybe that’s why I’m scared of flying but love true crime & WS.

 

[Lilypad13]

That is just a guess, they could have been snooping. It does make me think he must not have been concerned about it if he let them use his phone.

If Suzanne texted him while they were ordering pizza it probably shocked them! But I am unclear about whether his daughters asked JL about the text, or they told their uncle and he asked JL? I guess I am missing part of the story.

I do remember Vanilla Ice! However my WS “Ice” comes from Robert Frost’s poem “Fire and Ice”

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice

Omg that’s beautiful @IceIce9 and way more profound than Vanilla Ice. From now on I shall think of Fire & Ice when I see your name. I might actually copy that poem. I love it!

 

[Boxer]

In the Freudian sense, it would be both of them who were pursuing a course of action fraught with risk - including life-ending risk. So, my love of travel means that I leave the house and sometimes go on an airplane (and I actually quite enjoy it - which is Freud's point; people everywhere have some form of risk-taking behavior that they seek and enjoy - that's who we are as humans). To put it the way a more modern psychologist said it (George Spindler), "All primates are attracted to risk, sex, play and competition...humans are no exception.") He went on to say that if we lack too much in the way of risk and scary adventure, we will create some culture to accomplish the scary feelings for us. So every culture, over time, has always had scary rituals or whatnot.

Barry took the risk of controlling his wife (including the risk that she would fall out of love and leave him), etc. Then he found even more risk-taking to be a solution to his inner turmoil. She did similar things. Most of us have done something risky at one time or another - even if it was just an actual roller coaster.

I agree that people who announce the kind of thing that Barry did ("I am going to kill myself if I can't control you,") are histrionic at best, and likely have many selfish (narcissistic) traits. Selfishness, by itself, is a real thing and is often accompanied by being a cheapskate. I thought it was interesting that Barry said, "If you arrest me, how am I going to raise my daughter?" rather than using the word "daughters." He sees an ending point to his "raising/parenting" (whereas many parents understand that there is really never an end to parenting...it changes, but it's still there).

(For some of us, it's scary enough just to read true crime - and risk learning some awful facts about humans).

Agree.
Good post.
That is why I feel the watershed moment was when BM answered SMs wish that he be home more or be more predictable with joining the VFF.
Adding approximately 5-10 hours a week to train and more to bond pretty much was the opposite of what she was asking of him.

 

[10ofRods]

One reason I don't think SM and JL were doing anything too intimate when BM arrived home is because BM had told SM he was coming home, when she texted "wanna hike" and he replied "no, I'm coming home".

SM might not have known exactly what time BM would arrive home, but unless she was mid-dalliance at the moment of that text and BM was already in the development when he replied to her, there is no way IMO she would have been naked for JL at the time BM got home.

MOO

I thought that "No I"m coming home" was a message from Barry around 11:30 am, when he was at the Beach site with MG.

Then, he leaves to run "an errand," (Media thread mentions that he returned from an errand at 2:44 (on page 24, I think the other timestamps are before that page).

I do wonder what the errand was supposed to be and whether Barry told her (leaving at 12:30 pm for the errand) that he'd be back near dinnertime. If so, she thought she had more time. I wonder what he was really doing during that time frame (11:30-2:44, do we know?)

JL does text that he has some alone time...IIRC.

I'm still stuck on whether Barry had something like keystroke software on her phone (easy to google how to do it) or whether she had disabled her iPhone from uploading pictures automatically to the Cloud (wouldn't that have made him suspicious?)

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yes ... just to be clear, I do not have 'no faith' in the justice system or LE, I am just one of those people who is really interested in how both sides approach a trial. And have followed quite a few trials, due to this interest.

Almost all of the trials I have followed have resulted in a good outcome for the prosecution. With the one exception that I can think of, off the top of my head, is Gable Tostee's trial (in the high-rise balcony death of his date, Warriena Wright). He walked, and I am not sure that he should have.

We've seen some heartbreakers too. Casey Anthony will go down in infamy here.

JMO