Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #25

[oviedo]

I don’t think it’s jewelry they found Curious what kind of guns have shells ? Or casings or whatever you call them ?
IMO

 

[lamlawindy]

Some keep adding "anonymous" in front of the family member that spoke to PE to imply the lack of credibility. I do have a question. Have you ever heard of the spouse of a missing/possibly abducted person wanting to remain anonymous, refuse an interview and getting in front of a camera? Just curious, not being confrontational.

1. I was thinking the reverse of your thought: I noticed that many people do not include the adjective "anonymous" in front of "family member" and wondered if it was an attempt to bolster the person's credibility. I add "anonymous" in front of "family member" to denote (not just imply) that the person isn't willing to stick his/her neck out and, IMHO, his/her credibility is lessened.

2. I haven't ever heard of the spouse of a missing person remaining out of the spotlight in the past. I find Barry's non-actions to be definitely odd. I find the Moorman family's non-actions odd too, though to a lesser extent since Barry is the spouse.* Still, if my sister or aunt was missing and I was as close to my extended family as the Moormans seem to be, I would not shun the spotlight and would want to ensure that I did everything to help find her.

* I also find it odd that I've seen many posts on WS that appear to criticize Barry for not doing more to find Suzanne while only seeing a handful of posts that criticize the Moormans for doing the same.

 

[lamlawindy]

^^bbm

Of course, they are missing a key element of the crime -- SM's recovered body, proof she is dead!
Investigators no doubt will employ "pressuring" strategy because suspects get careless under pressure. They make mistakes. They talk to the wrong people. IMO, LE is counting on it.

If -- as has been reported -- he's hired counsel, then he's been told a thousand times to not talk to anybody about the case. Of course, clients only follow our advice about 20% of the time...

 

[Seattle1]

I don’t think it’s jewelry they found Curious what kind of guns have shells ? Or casings or whatever you call them ?
IMO

I just learned about this. If I got it right, a revolver does not leave shell casings behind whereas a pistol usually does. Don't quote me...

 

[Tate123]

* I also find it odd that I've seen many posts on WS that appear to criticize Barry for not doing more to find Suzanne while only seeing a handful of posts that criticize the Moormans for doing the same.

bbm snipped
Thank you for explaining your thought process. We all see things differently and I like that.
I'm one of those that have not criticized Suzanne's family for their silence because I do believe they are privy to information from LE and might have been asked to keep quiet. That might be a foolish assumption on my part. We will see.

 

[al66pine]

Child Support? Broke? Division of Property?
Posted by EggSalad in previous thread:
"This is complete speculation on my part and apologies in advance if it needs to be deleted...
If BM was having an affair and SM found out about it and was planning to divorce BM; BM would be left dead broke(he’d not be entitled to 50% and would owe child support) Given the real estate sales and other financial moves after SM’s disappearance this is quite curious...."
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@EggSalad
If there was a divorce ---
1. Iiuc, per CO. statutes child support obligations continue only until child is 18 (w some exceptions, can be longer). Iirc younger daughter is a year or two from that age, so C/S would not run for both dau's for yrs and years.
2. BM would be broke? Possibly, but anyone knowing this as fact, knows more than I do.
3. Prop. Division. "BM would not be entitled to 50%" <--- Making this stmt/drawing conclusion on what basis pls?

But agreeing w you, some curious $$$ moves, post disappearance. my2cts.

 

[lamlawindy]

I just learned about this. If I got it right, a revolver does not leave shell casings behind whereas a pistol usually does. Don't quote me...

You got it right, @Seattle1. With a revolver, the spent shell stays in the revolver cylinder until the cylinder is physically emptied. With a pistol, the expanding gases push the slide back, which helps eject the spent shell.

 

[Lori Cooper]

Child Support? Broke? Division of Property?
Posted by EggSalad in previous thread:
"This is complete speculation on my part and apologies in advance if it needs to be deleted...
If BM was having an affair and SM found out about it and was planning to divorce BM; BM would be left dead broke(he’d not be entitled to 50% and would owe child support) Given the real estate sales and other financial moves after SM’s disappearance this is quite curious...."
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@EggSalad
If there was a divorce ---
1. Iiuc, per CO. statutes child support obligations continue only until child is 18 (w some exceptions, can be longer). Iirc younger daughter is a year or two from that age, so C/S would not run for both dau's for yrs and years.
2. BM would be broke? Possibly, but anyone knowing this as fact, knows more than I do.
3. Prop. Division. "BM would not be entitled to 50%" <--- Making this stmt/drawing conclusion on what basis pls?

But agreeing w you, some curious $$$ moves, post disappearance. my2cts.

@EggSalad
Colorado is a no fault divorce state, so if he was having an affair, wouldn't be grounds to give him nothing in regards to settlement.

 

[Fireflize]

BM, thinking he was so smart, was careless.
His daughters were far away from home as was BM. They could not read his body language. Their focus was only on not being unable to reach mom for xx hours and would absolutely tell LE every single detail known to them. Every person they contacted looking for SM, and what was told to them. All before BM could silence them. I can hear BM (my words) as soon as the daughters arrive home: "You know Sheriff Speeze doesn't like me -- he's gonna try to make this difficult on me. He has no use for the volunteer ff and I'll probably have to hire my own team because I can't work with that man. TN tried to talk to him and he blew him off too."

MOO

Judging by his ranting about LE in TD's interview, that's exactly what I think he did and continues to do , for anyone who will listen. TD was a stranger, I can imagine he is even more imphatic when talking to people he knows. By now a lot of those people are seeing through it, I'd bet. Moo

 

[al66pine]

@EggSalad
Colorado is a no fault divorce state, so if he was having an affair, wouldn't be grounds to give him nothing in regards to settlement.

@Lori Cooper.

That is my reading as well, which is why I was asking EggSalad for basis of (his/her) conclusion.

 

[Lilypad13]

I guess I don't understand.

If BM's theory was SM went on a bike ride and disappeared-- whether from the crash, mountain lion, or by abduction, it would not be unusual for SM to not be wearing any jewelry, and/or for her jewelry to be left behind at home. Actually, I think it more unusual for SM to be wearing her jewelry on the bike ride/trail.

So why would BM bury or destroy SM's expensive jewelry -- heirlooms to her daughters. That makes no sense to me given her alleged activity when she vanished.

I also wouldn’t think she would wear her good jewelry biking but maybe she never removes her ring and necklace. But if BM did want to get rid of her jewelry he could throw it in the river much easier than digging up the ground at night. I guess there might be a slim chance it would flow down river and someone would find it. Who knows. It just seems like jewelry would be easier to get rid off. Throw it in a dumpster somewhere? Bury it on his huge property? Throw it off a mountain? String it up a tree? Throw it down the drain? Bash it with a sledgehammer? Ok I’ll stop now.

 

[Lilypad13]

I don’t think it’s jewelry they found Curious what kind of guns have shells ? Or casings or whatever you call them ?
IMO

I was wondering about that myself. Especially after that rumor that BM reported a gun stolen. Sometimes there is truth in those rumors but I have no idea if that is true or not.

 

[10ofRods]

I still maintain that the item found on the road belonging to SM early in the case is a piece of clothing. The Sheriff referred to found object as an "item". BM, in the surreptitious video, called it an "article ". I think that was a slip of the tongue.

LE is satisfied that the item unquestionably belongs to SM, yet BM states that "they won't tell us what it is." So how can LE be so sure? If the item is that teal/baby blue bike helmet, her photo would confirm it, along with the fact that perhaps her helmet is missing.

Anyway, it makes sense that if the bike was staged, the "item" might be a biking shoe, the helmet, or some other biking apparel. An article. I'd bet my retirement savings on it.

But it could also be a diamond ring matching the one in the picture, right?

 

[Seattle1]

1. I was thinking the reverse of your thought: I noticed that many people do not include the adjective "anonymous" in front of "family member" and wondered if it was an attempt to bolster the person's credibility. I add "anonymous" in front of "family member" to denote (not just imply) that the person isn't willing to stick his/her neck out and, IMHO, his/her credibility is lessened.

2. I haven't ever heard of the spouse of a missing person remaining out of the spotlight in the past. I find Barry's non-actions to be definitely odd. I find the Moorman family's non-actions odd too, though to a lesser extent since Barry is the spouse.* Still, if my sister or aunt was missing and I was as close to my extended family as the Moormans seem to be, I would not shun the spotlight and would want to ensure that I did everything to help find her.

* I also find it odd that I've seen many posts on WS that appear to criticize Barry for not doing more to find Suzanne while only seeing a handful of posts that criticize the Moormans for doing the same.

OK, we learned very early in the investigation (from SM family member) that BM liked to control things.

We also know that after only 4-6 days of introducing himself as the family spokesperson, BM's nephew, TN, went dark. He stopped reaching out and responding to media ever since BM's video plea on May 17. It's been suggested that BM silenced TN, and I believe it.

As far as the Mooman's not in the media spotlight, I strongly believe that SM's family deferred to BM here. Reportedly, they do not believe the bike ride story as told by BM so that makes it difficult to talk to media if you don't believe the husband, IMO. Nobody wants to poke the bear. I also believe the Moorman's do not want to do anything that might affect their relationship with SM's only children. That's all they have left of SM. MOO

May 25, 2020

The relative said they have never seen or heard about any specific issues in the Morphew’s marriage, and that the couple seemed happy. But they did indicate that Barry could be somewhat controlling.

“He’s been in charge of what happens for a long time,” they said.

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“I think it was sort of a step toward retirement,” the family member said. Suzanne mention to the relative she was happy that another family member, Barry’s newphew T N, lived in the state.

Early in the investigation, T N identified himself as the family spokesperson, but has stopped responding to media inquiries.

[..]

“I have a feeling someone told him not to talk,” the relative said about T N's recent silence.

[..]

The relative said they have doubts about whether Suzanne actually went for a bike ride on May 10, as her neighbor reportedly told police.

‘We’re in the dark’: Missing Suzanne Morphew’s family waits and worries two weeks after Colorado mom’s mysterious disappearance [EXCLUSIVE]

 

[oviedo]

bbm snipped
Thank you for explaining your thought process. We all see things differently and I like that.
I'm one of those that have not criticized Suzanne's family for their silence because I do believe they are privy to information from LE and might have been asked to keep quiet. That might be a foolish assumption on my part. We will see.

I agree I can’t help but recall the words very early on that it “wasn’t going to end well” when she was reported missing from her brother? IIRC - I think her side of the family has been more informed and there has been no reason for them to speak publicly because of this knowledge ...
IMO

 

[DizzyB]

@EggSalad
Colorado is a no fault divorce state, so if he was having an affair, wouldn't be grounds to give him nothing in regards to settlement.

Suzanne had been a stay at home mom and they had been married for many years, during which most BM was the only breadwinner-I am assuming she would be entitled to alimony? And in divorces where children are involved, college tuition can be pretty much laid out where a parent can be responsible as part of the settlement. He might not have had the money to buy that piece of land if he lost half of everything. It’s really hard to judge how much money might be a stake here.

 

[Truecolors]

If that ring is gone, that points away from BM, IMO. Surely he’d want that ring for his daughters.

Speculation:

It was found in the house.

It was the found “item”. Risky, but would likely result in it being found and eventually returned to the girls (no matter what the outcome for BM). *would be wild if someone close to BM found it

It’s gone. This points away from BM, IMO.

MOO

 

[RickshawFan]

there is a new TD video with his brother interviewing him and people sending superchats with interesting questions. i don't think we can discuss it here, YET. but he has some very intriguing (new!) info about his run-in's with BM! i highly recommend a listen. :x

*eta: it sure has me thinking about those 2 "strange" cars now.

*i cannot WAIT to read the arrest affidavit.

MOOMOOMOO

Are you referring to the two cars in the driveway mentioned by the neighbor on the Mother's Day? I had completely different assumptions than I've seen anyone mention here.

I assumed BM had his truck, and he left his car (or maybe a kid's car) in the driveway. SM's car was also in the driveway. BM had to cover the fact that his wife must be home, by coming up with the fabrication she was on a bike ride; this would provide a reason for her car being in the driveway, but no SM in the house.

 

[Fireflize]

1. I was thinking the reverse of your thought: I noticed that many people do not include the adjective "anonymous" in front of "family member" and wondered if it was an attempt to bolster the person's credibility. I add "anonymous" in front of "family member" to denote (not just imply) that the person isn't willing to stick his/her neck out and, IMHO, his/her credibility is lessened.

2. I haven't ever heard of the spouse of a missing person remaining out of the spotlight in the past. I find Barry's non-actions to be definitely odd. I find the Moorman family's non-actions odd too, though to a lesser extent since Barry is the spouse.* Still, if my sister or aunt was missing and I was as close to my extended family as the Moormans seem to be, I would not shun the spotlight and would want to ensure that I did everything to help find her.

* I also find it odd that I've seen many posts on WS that appear to criticize Barry for not doing more to find Suzanne while only seeing a handful of posts that criticize the Moormans for doing the same.

Imo, the Moormans know that only BM knows where Suzanne is and he is not going to tell. I completely understand their actions. They trust LE will do everything in their power to find her. Their input can only upset the daughters.

 

[Error505]

Is Barry retired ? Never mind he still works forgot about his job sites. What's the name of his landscaping business?

According to @sillybilly I Don't think we can sleuth his businesses.