Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #40

[Stripehaven]

LOL at “peanut butter toast.”

 

[Megnut]

Wait! What? Some of you think he might've staged a photo op???

Then again, he set the precedence.

JMO

 

[DizzyB]

Half of me thinks that Barry will deny to his dying breath, with evidence piled up before him. He will be unable to debate or come up with any plausible explanation, yet still be insistent.

The other half of me thinks he will come up with a ridiculous scenario that involves him, but in a way that deflects from his intentionally murdering Suzanne.

 

[EggSalad]

IMO, yes. I’m unsure what type of help though.

And I don’t think this is what Mike w/ PE meant when he referenced 5, but coincidentally I have 5 people of interest:

BM
MG
CC
GD
TN

I’ll elaborate one why these 5.

BM - pretty obvious

MG - Was she BM’s right hand person at his company? Did she know what work BM was doing and when? And while she may not know about the exact crime, did BM want her to keep silent on some of the work activities he was doing or not doing at the time SM went missing? I think he being pulled away from Salida and to Broomfield is meaningful.

CC - He seems every bit as related to BM’s work as MG is. What’s his role at the company? Someone had to order supplies for BM like rocks, dirt, sand. Did CC make orders for materials at BM’s direction but those orders were odd because they didn’t tie to a specific job? Does CC drive a truck or vehicle capable of towing a bobcat? I think him being pulled away from Salida and Broomfield is also meaningful.

GD - first guy on the scene, representing BM’s interests that Sunday until BM comes home. His friends wife is missing, yet he’s immediately accusing LE of tampering with evidence? He is also tasked with confronting MG about hush money and not turning over her phone. Why? GD doesn’t work for BM’s business so why is he representing payroll related info to MG?

TN - At first I thought he might have been a naive pawn to BM but not after joining GD to confront MG. That was less than 48 hours after SM was missing and the Mountain Lion theory was still fresh and believable. Yet, he’s jumped right into a hush money and don’t cooperate with the CBI role. He also doesn’t represent BM’s business so why is he talking about business payroll matters? And I think he was calling out LE for tampering with Bike evidence when he told reporters to question LE about that.

And there is some significance to MG & CC being in Broomfield that Sunday - Tuesday, while GD and TN are Johnny on the spot in Maysville that Sunday. They may have all been pawns that Sunday to BM but there is something significant about where each of them was that is not just a coincidence.

 

[elmomom]

sbbm
What have I missed?

This has really been bugging me. The best explanation I can come up with is, he is oppositionally defiant - and has successfully made this into an us vs them scenario. If you aren’t on his team, looking to him for leadership and opinions, then you are opposed - and so, the team being led by AM and PE is almost certainly the enemy of BM in his mind, as well as in his “followers” minds. SM is gone, forgotten and not much of a concern to any of these people, it is all about protecting BM now. jmo
It kind of reminds me of something else going on in the country right now.

 

[Love Never Fails]

my impression was that it's the original photo of BM that was sent to chris, (by BM's friend that sent it to him), that he's been sitting on for a month (per chris on tricia's podcast).

then he starting discussing triangulation, not necessarily pertaining to the photo, but imo hinting that sometimes a perp creates false narratives. i took it as a hint that maybe the friend who took the photo was possibly trying to create a red herring with this photo of BM? but i will definitely have to go back and listen once tricia's live is over. listening live now. chris explained triangulation involves the victim, the suspect, and a 3rd point of view, and how info changes when passed from one to the other, kinda like the telephone game. i can only think that's some kind of hint at a 3rd person having knowledge of SM's demise. chris has been speaking about triangulation from the very beginning of the investigation.

"Triangulation refers to the use of multiple methods or data sources in qualitative research to develop a comprehensive understanding of phenomena (Patton, 1999). Triangulation also has been viewed as a qualitative research strategy to test validity through the convergence of information from different sources. Denzin (1978) and Patton (1999) identified four types of triangulation: (a) method triangulation, (b) investigator triangulation, (c) theory triangulation, and (d) data source triangulation." per pubmed.gov

by the way, there are 5 kinds of triangulation:
1. data (different sources used)
2. methodological (multiple methods used)
3. investigator (several different investigators used)
4. theory (multiple perspectives used)
5. environmental (environmental factors used)

That’s as clear as mud to me. Can it be explained in a simpler format? Sorry. Just me.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I’ll elaborate one why these 5.

BM - pretty obvious

MG - Was she BM’s right hand person at his company? Did she know what work BM was doing and when? And while she may not know about the exact crime, did BM want her to keep silent on some of the work activities he was doing or not doing at the time SM went missing? I think he being pulled away from Salida and to Broomfield is meaningful.

CC - He seems every bit as related to BM’s work as MG is. What’s his role at the company? Someone had to order supplies for BM like rocks, dirt, sand. Did CC make orders for materials at BM’s direction but those orders were odd because they didn’t tie to a specific job? Does CC drive a truck or vehicle capable of towing a bobcat? I think him being pulled away from Salida and Broomfield is also meaningful.

GD - first guy on the scene, representing BM’s interests that Sunday until BM comes home. His friends wife is missing, yet he’s immediately accusing LE of tampering with evidence? He is also tasked with confronting MG about hush money and not turning over her phone. Why? GD doesn’t work for BM’s business so why is he representing payroll related info to MG?

TN - At first I thought he might have been a naive pawn to BM but not after joining GD to confront MG. That was less than 48 hours after SM was missing and the Mountain Lion theory was still fresh and believable. Yet, he’s jumped right into a hush money and don’t cooperate with the CBI role. He also doesn’t represent BM’s business so why is he talking about business payroll matters? And I think he was calling out LE for tampering with Bike evidence when he told reporters to question LE about that.

And there is some significance to MG & CC being in Broomfield that Sunday - Tuesday, while GD and TN are Johnny on the spot in Maysville that Sunday. They may have all been pawns that Sunday to BM but there is something significant about where each of them was that is not just a coincidence.

Still thinking if BM had very shady business practices.

 

[happyday]

This has really been bugging me. The best explanation I can come up with is, he is oppositionally defiant - and has successfully made this into an us vs them scenario. If you aren’t on his team, looking to him for leadership and opinions, then you are opposed - and so, the team being led by AM and PE is almost certainly the enemy of BM in his mind, as well as in his “followers” minds. SM is gone, forgotten and not much of a concern to any of these people, it is all about protecting BM now. jmo

It’s weird how there are those people who somehow rope other people into being loyal to them no matter how ridiculous the circumstances and how extreme the negative consequences are. It’s scary actually. History is full of these people and only bad things happen around them. MOO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I’ll elaborate one why these 5.

BM - pretty obvious

MG - Was she BM’s right hand person at his company? Did she know what work BM was doing and when? And while she may not know about the exact crime, did BM want her to keep silent on some of the work activities he was doing or not doing at the time SM went missing? I think he being pulled away from Salida and to Broomfield is meaningful.

CC - He seems every bit as related to BM’s work as MG is. What’s his role at the company? Someone had to order supplies for BM like rocks, dirt, sand. Did CC make orders for materials at BM’s direction but those orders were odd because they didn’t tie to a specific job? Does CC drive a truck or vehicle capable of towing a bobcat? I think him being pulled away from Salida and Broomfield is also meaningful.

GD - first guy on the scene, representing BM’s interests that Sunday until BM comes home. His friends wife is missing, yet he’s immediately accusing LE of tampering with evidence? He is also tasked with confronting MG about hush money and not turning over her phone. Why? GD doesn’t work for BM’s business so why is he representing payroll related info to MG?

TN - At first I thought he might have been a naive pawn to BM but not after joining GD to confront MG. That was less than 48 hours after SM was missing and the Mountain Lion theory was still fresh and believable. Yet, he’s jumped right into a hush money and don’t cooperate with the CBI role. He also doesn’t represent BM’s business so why is he talking about business payroll matters? And I think he was calling out LE for tampering with Bike evidence when he told reporters to question LE about that.

And there is some significance to MG & CC being in Broomfield that Sunday - Tuesday, while GD and TN are Johnny on the spot in Maysville that Sunday. They may have all been pawns that Sunday to BM but there is something significant about where each of them was that is not just a coincidence.

From your post re GD "He is also tasked with confronting MG about hush money and not turning over her phone."

Is that a MOO as I haven't seen named in media...

 

[Megnut]

We don't know why BM was at the jobsite, per MG, Friday night.

We do know he was there Saturday morning with MG, between roughly 9 and 11 am. We know she was raking the beach area, at his insistence. Presumably with the Bobcat raking attachment.

So... if that "mechanical thing" BM belatedly admits to doing, occurred on Saturday, say SWAPPING OUT ATTACHMENTS, why? Why did BM need a different attachment on his Bobcat? What work was left to do???? I say none, at least none work-related.

I say MG successfully raked the beach area. And unwittingly she may have done so for BM to have a raked/packed surface onto which to drive the Bobcat after dark.

We don't know what the neighbor lady DIDN'T hear...

But...if BM retrievd the Bobcat after dark (where did MG leave it? At the beach? At the site? Trailered with BM?), did he swap attachments and leave? To use it elsewhere? Did he return it, and need to re-attach the rake and re-rake over his own tracks, potentially transferring scent from what he'd done elsewhere to the beach?

There's a reason IMO he didn't want MG to return to that jobsite.

(As an aside, you don't have to threaten someone outright to telegraph the threat. Guessing MG felt threatened enough.)

Oh, Barry. Where else did you go Saturday night?

I think we're close to a five-finger, one-handed knock out!

JMO

 

[Error505]

IMO- He won’t be able to live with the knowledge of what his girls will think of him - I see a Josh Powell situation potentially
JMO

I agree with this @oviedo. BM won’t want to face his daughters or his mom. He’s an irrational man, imo, and the stress is getting to him. I see him as a dangerous person. MOO

Feeling very anxious today, waiting for a major break in SM’s case.

 

[charminglane]

Talking to heaven, before going to hell?

We must be sisters. Same thought process!

 

[dixiegirl1035]

That’s as clear as mud to me. Can it be explained in a simpler format? Sorry. Just me.

For my simple mind, I see it as what I would call gas lighting to get someone else to tell your *story*?

Others here may be able to compare the two better than I can in words/explanation if gas lighting is comparable?

 

[EggSalad]

From your post re GD "He is also tasked with confronting MG about hush money and not turning over her phone."

Is that a MOO as I haven't seen named in media...

Its the combination of two approved sources.

First - the interviews with MG by LS where MG says two men approached right as she got back to Salida on Tuesday and said she wouldn’t be paid because it could be considered hush hush money and that it was her right not to give CBI her phone.

Then, LS was being interviewed by @Tricia and she confirmed that the two men were GD and TN.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Half of me thinks that Barry will deny to his dying breath, with evidence piled up before him. He will be unable to debate or come up with any plausible explanation, yet still be insistent.

The other half of me thinks he will come up with a ridiculous scenario that involves him, but in a way that deflects from his intentionally murdering Suzanne.

I see BM as a Patrick Frazee wannabe.
The difference is BM started talking.
I think there is a lot of background to BM we don’t yet know about. And I’m hoping the CBI and FBI uncover all of it. (Not sure how I feel about local LE just yet).

 

[Love Never Fails]

For my simple mind, I see it as what I would call gas lighting to get someone else to tell your *story*?

Others here may be able to compare the two better than I can in words/explanation if gas lighting is comparable?

I just am not understanding the triangulation described earlier. I mean how is gaslighting another explained by triangulation? Help please.

 

[Error505]

No clue what significance the number 5 has to the PE dudes.

But, who doesn't like a guessing game, right?

So, here are a couple of possibilities:

1) Mike talked in one of PE's videos about the 5 forms of evidence:

He described those 5 forms as being the following;
Physical
Circumstantial
Eyewitness
Confession
Behavior

Quoting from the video: Evidence supports the theory presented by police and the prosecution. It helps the court, and jury members understand the case more clearly. A single form of evidence is not as convincing as multiple forms of evidence. While there are isolated examples where a single form of evidence convicted someone of a crime, it is rare. When multiple sources of evidence are shown to corroborate each other, the likelihood of conviction increases.

2) There are also "The 5 W's" in information-gathering/problem-solving:
Who
What
When
Where
Why

Then again, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Maybe this is just about that Bruce Lee movie, and how the good guy ultimately defeats the bad guy with his advanced skills and tactics.

@ProfilingEvil , are we getting warm?

Regardless of what it means, it's a great strategy by the PE guys to keep everybody guessing so they keep coming back for the next episode.

I mean, who doesn't love a cliff-hanger, right?
Even when there are no any actual cliffs around, like in BM's photo shoot.

I've decided I'm going to take a page from Mike and start teasing everyone with a word or phrase in my first post of the day.

Today's word or phrase is "Peanut Butter Toast."

JMO.

BBM
Fricking love it - Thank you for the laugh! Much needed while anxiously waiting for what happens today!

Good luck WS searchers!

 

[Madeleine74]

IF BM was at the river/house site on Fri or Sat night or whenever no one else was around, and IF BM was using the bobcat or other machinery down by the sand and rock area, wouldn't that machinery have left some kind of tracks that would be noticed (unless the person endeavored to remove any tracks that would show such activity)? Machinery like bobcats are heavy, are on wheels, and there are 4 tires, yes?

 

[MoeInVA]

Dbm

What area was MG supposed to rake flat? Appears the beach is underwater on 5/23rd.

On Friday at 8:15 am (closed thread so I can’t quote) I posted water level data that indicates that the water level of the Arkansas River in Salida was nearly 10 inches higher on May 22nd than May 9th. So I think beach was NOT underwater on the 9th. @PaulaDC also indicated drone footage suggested beach area was not underwater around May 9.
You can search this forum for the word underwater to find my post with the attached graphs which show water level for the year and water level May 1 through Friday.

“I looked at the historic water level data and it appears that the water level of the Arkansas River at Salida was nearly 10 inches higher on May 22nd than on May 9th so I agree with @PaulaDC that the beach area was likely not underwater on the 9th when it was reportedly raked. JMO - I am not a subject matter expert. Attaching the graphs. Compare Data”

 

[elliefant]

From your post re GD "He is also tasked with confronting MG about hush money and not turning over her phone."

Is that a MOO as I haven't seen named in media...

iirc LS confirmed the two people were both known to MG and that one was a friend of BM and the other was a relative of BM