Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #42

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As others have said, and eloquently, even thought the search did not locate Suzanne, it was no fail. In fact, it brings a full clarity -- only someone who has hidden her this well has a reason and that points to one person alone.

I suspect we'll come to learn eventually that somewhere between about 1 and 5 am on Mother's Day that someone used a vehicle without tracking....

Still, dogs did hit upon various locations. Only that someone knows why. Chances are that that someone was at all those locations. Maybe digging deeper. Maybe doing legitimate work but with an illegitimate Bobcat, laced with the scent of death.

We can't forget that that someone was likely following along closely to the events of the past six days. With cameras, plants.... he got an education too. Bet he didn't know his Bobcat was leaving sign all over the place. He may rethink his resting place. An unnamed POI with time at his disposal may be inspired to move about the land freely, believe no one is watching and try to outthink himself.

EVERYWHERE he goes, EVERYTHING he touches, EVERY ROCK HE MOVES has the potential to be A BEACON.

This isn't over.

But it WILL be over for him. In time.

We wait.

JMO
Excellent post!!
 
  • #403
Yes, those are ground probes. I have a few of the red handled "T" type as seen in the video. The others are rods that are being driven into the ground by a slide hammer. This tells me the ground is very hard as the "T" handle type are usually more than enough to probe disturbed ground. Looks like shovel digging and tossed into the loader bucket and dumped in a pile. Curious that no one is probing the pile with a metal detector for artifacts such as rings, belt buckles, shoe eyelets or teeth with amalgam fillings. Also do not see a GPR unit anywhere nearby. I think having to pound the rods in told them right away that this was naturally packed soil, not disturbed as in a burial site. When using the "T" type probes, you get a distinctive feel and "click" when you hit bone.


Thanks so much for joining us. You have brought such valuable information to this thread. I have learned a lot.

Last year in the Canadian case when the two young men from British Columbia made their murderous run to Manitoba, it was an Indigenous tracker who figured out where their bodies were.

They had committed double suicide in the wilderness and he pinpointed the spot by watching the ravens. So much information to be learned by what nature brings to us.

It seems everybody leaves a footprint and I hope we can follow the footprints of BM and reel him in.
 
  • #404
Dear WS's,

Here I've sat reading your threads from afar for over a year checking in every now and then - always annoyed at myself for having too many browsers up on my phone that it sometimes takes 20 minutes to find the latest thread - but after such a whirlwind of the past few days I feel I must join you - officially. With the added benefit of being able to now hopefully see the incredible @NoSI & @TKG first hand search images among other sleuthers attachments, that are not viewable unless you're a member :)

Although I've felt like a long lost family member since scrolling and rolling upon this site last May during Jennifer Dulos' case, I REALLY feel like family after this palpable, heart wrenching past week. I have officially accomplished very little since Saturday.

As cliche as this may sound; I have truly laughed with you, cried with you, drank wine with you, lit candles with you, watched lives with you, and mostly wanted to reach into the screen and hug so many of you through out my silent sleuthing. How creepy I know. In my defense I feel silence could perhaps be a prominent trait of a sleuth :)

I can't promise I won't continue to sit back on the sideline (or fence) taking in the invaluable insight that all of your intelligent minds bring to to the table, but I can say how nice it will be - when the time comes - to have like minds to theorize and discuss with. On behalf of my sanity, my dogs, and my loved ones (most of which think I've completely lost it getting so wrapped up in these cases) we (they) thank you so much for being here.

Although, tonight may not feel like the conclusion to Andy's search we were all praying for - there's no doubt in my mind that Suzanne's light carries on through this beautiful sleuthing community and so many others. And that alone brings so much comfort.

I think Tricia's analogy Monday night IIRC (hope I interpreted that acronym correctly) with a Nevada cold case in which LE was searching for the maker of a certain t-shirt for 23 years when WS was asked to look into it and a sleuther found the maker, stats and history of the t-shirt within 36 hours. THAT's the power of this highly intuitive community and why I continue to come back time and again. So thank you to all of you for creating and maintaining such a mind provoking, drama free, genuine atmosphere that draws in so many more than you can probably imagine.

With Suzanne and Andy in so many of our hearts tonight, I would like to end this rookie of a message following what I believe was @Madeleine74 eloquent words, "But people are so much more than their corporeal bodies. Her spirit soars.."

Soar on Suzanne with love and faith that justice will be brought to you ♥️

MOO (I must admit I did not understand why so many ppl were 'mooing' at each other back when I first came upon this site. Although, considering all the cats in this case I'd prefer to be mooed at than meowed)

Now THAT, was a great first post. :cool:
Welcome to WS, we're glad you're here.
 
  • #405
I don't have anything to add that could help solve this case, but I do hope that Andy sees all of our messages of support. I can't imagine his heartbreak, but I do know that I wish everyone had a brother like him. I know my brothers would not put in this level of effort if I went missing. Nothing against my brothers or our relationship, their personalities just aren't like Andy's. I like to imagine that I would do all that Andy has done, but I don't know that I could think out of the box the way he does and has. My siblings and I do not have the organizational skills a search like this would require. I crack under pressure and am useless. I wish I was like Andy.

As a side note, I'm not convinced that "nothing" was found in this search. I believe that alot was found but it needs to be kept under wraps due to the investigation. I don't believe Suzanne was found, but I am convinced that clues about her fate were found. BM needs to think he is in control and did such a good job hiding her that he managed to fool everyone. If he gets spooked, he may do something drastic. I think LE wants him to stay calm and confident so that when the time is right, they can come out of nowhere and arrest him without incident. All moo, jmo, imvho, etc

To Andy, be proud of the work you have done. You have gone above and beyond the call of duty and Suzanne knows this. I am so proud of you and as a sister myself, I know Suzanne is beyond proud of you. Keep your head high.
 
  • #406
Brava! Great post.

This is why, in two pictures of the few we have of this couple, I cringe a little at the "abuser hook" that he puts around her neck. I know that it's also part of consensual sexual/romantic play. There's the picture where he has hooked his arm around her neck, pulling her to him by her neck, and his hand almost grazes her breast. It's cute to some people, it's disturbing to me in this case.

Then there's the picture where he blocks her egress (playfully- as abusers appear to do when others are around). That normalizes the behavior and makes the Little Woman feel cute and sweet and protected - but she's also controlled. I know this all too well.

The "abuser hook" is used in sex play and role playing and in movies - and in real life, to create a sense of masculine control and to actually control as well.

Men also use it playfully (or otherwise) to begin a wrestling match with another man. But there is rarely the same use of the hands in that situation (although if you observe closely...I can't predict what you'll actually see).

Thank you for your post examining the photos. These photos have always made me cringe. You explained why. As always, appreciate your insight.
 
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To quote R.E.M. in the song Losing My Religion:
"I've said too much, I haven't said enough"
 
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not going to lie, im very into everyone's motivational speeches, we've all been through alot of rollercoaster emotions this week, but Im glad we did it together and that I had my WS to laugh and cry with. We've all come to love SM and AM and his dedication to his sister. its been awe-inspiring to see him go to the ends of the earth for her. Let's not forget 750 total strangers from across the country including professional experts with dogs, horses, and tech, went to volunteer their time to help find SM and in the middle of a pandemic no less. It speaks to the true crimes communities' dedication to justice and the communities' incredible capacity for love, empathy, and conviction. Good, selfless people still exist in this world and this is a perfect example of that. This was not a loss, it was a win. Every step is one step closer. If BM had had it his way, the news would have stopped reporting on this case months ago, but because of AMs dedication SM is still a household name and LE has received hundreds of new tips. Im reminded of the wise and timeless words of Chumbawamba "I get knocked down, but I get up again, your never going to keep me down." Let that be our motto as we ride into this next stage of the battle.

Such a good post - thanks! (I luv that Chumbawamba song!)
 
  • #409
My heart was so heavy and I was crying right along with Andy last night as the searching came to a close. I know he didn't get the outcome he set out for but I think he did make a difference in the investigation. Suzanne has to be so proud of her brother and all of the people who came out to aid in the search. It was so touching to see so many people that didn't even know each other come together and organize a massive search like this one. I believe that LE has more information than they are letting on right now and that's the way that is should be they can't conduct a proper investigation in the eyes of the media it has to remain behind the scenes until the time is right to bring everything to a close.
 
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The wheels of justice are notorious for how slow they turn. I know everyone is disappointed SM wasnt found, but this just means were down, not out. LE/CBI/FBI still have 100's of tips they need to go through and verify, im sure they will find relevant evidence from at least a few of them and without the massive search efforts, people who were previously scared to come forward may not have done so. Itll probably be a while before we get to know the real impact of everyones efforts. plus being about to definitively cross out a location is important to. Thousand of miles of ground have been checked for clues and distributed earth and we can now focus our attention elsewhere. Narrow locations down is super helpful. It makes a real difference even though it doesnt feel like it

No one just disappears without a trace. Someone out there knows something. And whoever did this will not be able to cover it up forever. As things cool down theyll get more relaxed and eventually theyll say or do the thing that makes it undeniable they were the offender. Look how many mistakes have happened so far. Any piece of evidence, no matter how small, can help prove who did this and we owe it to SM to keep looking

Thanks to everyone for all the updates and thanks @ivegotthemic for the positive outlook on things. I bolded a few of your great points that stood out to me.

I agree the search efforts helped in a lot of different ways. The extra attention alone that was brought to the case has helped to make more people aware of the case which can only increase the chances of LE getting the one tip they need that breaks the case wide open. And for all we know that one needed tip may already be in their hands as they process the latest tips they received.

Im also encouraged that the awareness of the locals has been increased to where a lot of them have learned much more about the details of the case. This will allow all the locals to rethink through anything that they may have seen or heard. As well as if any new information comes to them, now they are more in tune with what would strike them as something they need to tell LE about.

Thanks to all the searchers and AM for all their efforts. Everything they have done is increasing the chances of this case being solved.
 
  • #411
I think I heard way back that he heard it when whatever LE it was that came and talked to him in Indiana.
That could be, but I never actually heard him say the investigator told him. He said he told him BM had not been cooperating and refused two lie detector tests. In another interview he said he asked if there were any signs of a struggle in the house and they said, "no." I can't remember what else he asked but I thought the answer to every question was no. It may have been at that time or another time he said he heard that house had a strong smell of bleach. I would go back and listen but I don't know which video it was.
 
  • #412
It was nothing like the archaeological dig they did at the river site. What was it that led LE to go to the extreme of cutting through concrete and digging & sifting for three days v. what they did today? Must have been more than a cadaver dog hit...

I suspect that GPR was used on all 4 locations. Perhaps GPR showed something at the Salida job site dig which is what prompted all of that effort. I still suspect they found pieces of her phone at that site or something along those lines.

The three sites that AM’s team found - I’m wondering if GPR was used but nothing was identified. Perhaps that is why we didn’t see a full blown dig at any location. I do think LE might have taken soil samples from all 3 locations which are now being analyzed. My hope is that these samples can:

-Tie some type of evidence of SM to all three locations
-Help LE tighten up their timeline on BM’s activities and where SM might be located.

I doubt the CBI person jumped out of their seat when AM produced Tree invoices and that area was secured and looked at only for this all to be a big nothing burger.

Her body wasn’t at those sites but what if we have 4 dogs hits and evidence at 4 separate sites, all associated with BM. That is a great piece of a no body trial.
 
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Re: Profiling Evil

My thoughts

@ProfilingEvil are Websleuths members and an approved source
I respect @Tricia's decision

I don't believe anything they say or do, or fail to say or do, will harm this case

I don't think a YouTube channel has the power to influence the outcome of an investigation of a missing person
I do think a YouTube channel has the power to influence people's beliefs

Caveat:
I may be out of the loop and unworldly about things like YouTube
I know that
 
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I know that everyone is feeling a bit down after the big buildup over the cadaver dog hit, but this is far from over. If you subscribe to statistics (in this case the Infinite Monkey Theorem), then thousands of WS sleuths and hundreds of searchers going over the landscape and known facts over and over will eventually result in one or more of us tripping over the key to solving this case. This is not time to despair, it's time to redouble efforts to bring justice and use the (insert deity of choice here) given talent to sleuth that brought us all here in the first place. What did we miss? What piece of the puzzle is missing? Go over the timeline again. Go over the known verified facts again. Pull out the white boards, post-it-notes and string. Connect the dots. But FIRST, relax, do something fun and clear your mind for a day or two and come back at it fresh. Over 50 years of looking for lost people...trust me on this. :)
Thank you for the words of wisdom! We needed this.
 
  • #415
bbm
Exactly.

"Who does that" --A spouse who is unwilling to let someone go , as they might feel they "own" that person.
"A rapist" --Domestic abuse ? Andy mentioned Suzanne was possibly in one of those groups to seek help or even to comfort.
After what little we've heard of her--she sounds like a caring person who would reach out to help even in her own time of need. :(
"A robber" -- Right there.
Spending money that was in Suzanne's name that he had no right to whilst she was alive.
BM may be a thief as well as a killer.
After possibly coercing the daughter to sign it over.

MOO
I had a slightly different interpretation of what AM was saying. I think he was saying that this was not the work of a rapist or robber or mountain lion, etc. they do not go to this level of effort to hide their victims. This was the work of one person intent on going to extremes to make sure SM could not be found. JMO
 
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LE still have all sorts of angles on the go. Interviews, IT & comms analysis, cctv & car data, search warrant results, tips - the list goes on. Every reason to be hopeful :)

Personally I’m really hoping the search activity & publicity has encouraged more people to come forward for interviews, but if not I’m still really hopeful they have lots of useful info from interviewing Suzanne’s texting friend. That’s just one nugget and I’m staying optimistic they have many many more and will be able to “fill the envelope”
 
  • #417
While it is very sad that Andy was not able to find his little sister. I think he did more help in this case then he can honestly know. He now has millions of people all over the world watching and yes sleuthing...I think there are people in Colorado who hike,hunt ect. Who will now have a different thought as they are hiking or hunting. As he said she was hidden well. But as he also said..."there will be a court case." ONE person did this and worked alone. ONE person who she trusted....sad. We have MUCH talent here in this group. Thank you all sooo much for all that you have done so far and please keep going!
 
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I suspect that GPR was used on all 4 locations. Perhaps GPR showed something at the Salida job site dig which is what prompted all of that effort. I still suspect they found pieces of her phone at that site or something along those lines.

The three sites that AM’s team found - I’m wondering if GPR was used but nothing was identified. Perhaps that is why we didn’t see a full blown dig at any location. I do think LE might have taken soil samples from all 3 locations which are now being analyzed. My hope is that these samples can:

-Tie some type of evidence of SM to all three locations
-Help LE tighten up their timeline on BM’s activities and where SM might be located.

I doubt the CBI person jumped out of their seat when AM produced Tree invoices and that area was secured and looked at only for this all to be a big nothing burger.

Her body wasn’t at those sites but what if we have 4 dogs hits and evidence at 4 separate sites, all associated with BM. That is a great piece of a no body trial.
For a no body case I think they would need either solid proof that SM is deceased, such as a large amount of blood, a bone fragment, etc, or a confession to either LE or to another person. They may already have a lot of circumstantial evidence, but apparently not enough... at this time.
 
  • #419
IMO, I absolutely believe that the The Suzanne Morphew Missing Person Investigative Task Force (named by Sheriff Spezze in his press release 9/29) is committed to this case. I also believe it's important for these investigators when they get to put a real face to a anguished loved one to refocus themselves. Not that they aren't focused but I would imagine it's a team moral boost that's needed at times.

I felt heavy hearted last night when AM was talking about his debriefing with LE. I pictured a meeting with a ton of sympathy towards AM and his family, with a please trust us even though we can't tell you much/anything, we're committed to your sister tone.

My gosh I hope that AM knows and believes that what he pulled off, in that terrain especially, over 6 days, was incredible. I remember seeing videos of him talking to searchers, briefing and motivating them, he was a LEADER. Nice work.
 
  • #420
As others have said, and eloquently, even thought the search did not locate Suzanne, it was no fail. In fact, it brings a full clarity -- only someone who has hidden her this well has a reason and that points to one person alone.

I suspect we'll come to learn eventually that somewhere between about 1 and 5 am on Mother's Day that someone used a vehicle without tracking....

Still, dogs did hit upon various locations. Only that someone knows why. Chances are that that someone was at all those locations. Maybe digging deeper. Maybe doing legitimate work but with an illegitimate Bobcat, laced with the scent of death.

We can't forget that that someone was likely following along closely to the events of the past six days. With cameras, plants.... he got an education too. Bet he didn't know his Bobcat was leaving sign all over the place. He may rethink his resting place. An unnamed POI with time at his disposal may be inspired to move about the land freely, believe no one is watching and try to outthink himself.

EVERYWHERE he goes, EVERYTHING he touches, EVERY ROCK HE MOVES has the potential to be A BEACON.

This isn't over.

But it WILL be over for him. In time.

We wait.

JMO

Great post! And there is only one someone that is connected to Suzanne and all of those locations.
 
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