Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #42

[elliefant]

My speculation. Valid point, I believe home invasion would have involved at least 2 perps, so 3 more conspirators? Whell we have speculated about BM having help.
Seems a stretch, what possible motive for 5 coconspirators?

Money, follow the money!

BM seems to have been doing pretty well, with SM alive.
Paul Newman supposedly said, “why chase hamburger, when I can have steak at home“, when asked about his faithfulness to Joanne Woodward, or something like that...why? Indeed.
I’m not buying DV, someone with SMs inner strength doesn’t stay in that marriage, nor would girls support abusive BM.

Go back to early threads, home invasion would explain BM going from window to window, and also “girls being protected”.

Try this, for a little bit, instead of why this scenario doesn’t fit, try making it fit, actually some pieces go in too easily.

A lot of pieces may have already been put in place by LE, if BMs timeline has made it impossible for him to have killed and disposed of SM, that’s a lot of pieces already.

JMVHO, speculation and possibilities.

Ok, so if I try to make the pieces fit for a home invasion I immediately stumble with understanding why they would remove Suzanne from the home? Seems unusual

 

[Seattle1]

I wish we knew more about the 3.5 hours Andy spoke about. I’m sure it relates to the disposal (but not necessarily the killing).

(1) Is it a 3.5 hour window? If so where was BM immediately before it and immediately after it? And when is it? Saturday? Overnight? Sunday morning between 5am (BM claimed seeing Suzanne) and collecting M employee for beach house job? Or some other time?

(2) Or does the 3.5 hours just mean we don’t know of BM travelling more than 3.5 hours away during the relevant weekend? The house to the hotel is about 3hrs and we know he went to the wall site for a paltry effort, could that have been a further 30 mins away?

I hope it is (1) above, as it seems so much more solvable in terms of finding Suzanne. For the same reason I hope there is a reason beyond expediency that the search has been closer to home than eg the route to Broomfield.

Would PE know what/when the 3.5 hours is?

Tacoma, WA investigators recently recovered the body of missing Kassandra Cantrell when the GPS from the truck of her alleged killer traveled to a specific location and was idle long enough for her killer to toss her body over a ledge.

I believe Andy may be referring to what's missing from BM's timeline. Maybe this is time BM said he was sleeping. Perhaps it's 3.5 hours that can't be accounted for on the GPS or when BM's vehicle was left at home for 3.5 hours before he left for Denver.

 

[LietKynes]

Ok, so if I try to make the pieces fit for a home invasion I immediately stumble with understanding why they would remove Suzanne from the home?

Good point. ^^^
They wouldn't.

The last thing you'd want (I cannot speak from experience, obviously) is a body in your vehicle whilst driving away with whatever you've stolen from the home !

 

[Cindizzi]

I wish we knew more about the 3.5 hours Andy spoke about. I’m sure it relates to the disposal (but not necessarily the killing).

(1) Is it a 3.5 hour window? If so where was BM immediately before it and immediately after it? And when is it? Saturday? Overnight? Sunday morning between 5am (BM claimed seeing Suzanne) and collecting M employee for beach house job? Or some other time?

(2) Or does the 3.5 hours just mean we don’t know of BM travelling more than 3.5 hours away during the relevant weekend? The house to the hotel is about 3hrs and we know he went to the wall site for a paltry effort, could that have been a further 30 mins away?

I hope it is (1) above, as it seems so much more solvable in terms of finding Suzanne. For the same reason I hope there is a reason beyond expediency that the search has been closer to home than eg the route to Broomfield.

Would PE know what/when the 3.5 hours is?

Excellent point. I, too sure wish we knew what AM meant about 3.5 hours and what he’s basing it on.

I’m hesitant to even bring up the texting/messaging with a friend because the timeline (to us) has been so confusing and seems to have changed several times. However, remember this interview with an Indianapolis station ?

He says that he feels like she was gone by Saturday morning .
Brother of missing Indiana native Suzanne Morphew leading volunteer search expedition - WISH-TV | Indianapolis News | Indiana Weather | Indiana Traffic

 

[dixiegirl1035]

IMO, releasing physical details/characteristics of a missing person (not believed missing by LE) only invite tips of sightings from all around the world. These alleged sightings serve only to tax authorities that are required to follow up the tip and dismiss.

Moo, exactly. @MassGuy called it from the start.

They wanted to focus focus focus without tangential interference perhaps due to social media.

They were very clear MOO this was not a "missing persons case", but a criminal case, as MG has outlined again and again here on these threads.

 

[elliefant]

Excellent point. I, too sure wish we knew what AM meant about 3.5 hours and what he’s basing it on.

I’m hesitant to even bring up the texting/messaging with a friend because the timeline (to us) has been so confusing and seems to have changed several times. However, remember this interview with an Indianapolis station ?

He says that he feels like she was gone by Saturday morning .
Brother of missing Indiana native Suzanne Morphew leading volunteer search expedition - WISH-TV | Indianapolis News | Indiana Weather | Indiana Traffic

Thank you very much.

I wonder if gone means dead or gone means gone from the house and disposed of. Pickle pickle pickle

 

[rainbowshummingbird]

Ok, so if I try to make the pieces fit for a home invasion I immediately stumble with understanding why they would remove Suzanne from the home? Seems unusual

And, why would home invaders take the time to stage a bike scene?

 

[Orgona]

Ok, so if I try to make the pieces fit for a home invasion I immediately stumble with understanding why they would remove Suzanne from the home? Seems unusual

Agree. And why would they take the bike and helmet and toss it? And all that close to the home too.

 

[UnderWhelmed405]

And, why would home invaders take the time to stage a bike scene?

Or bring bleach

 

[LietKynes]

All of the evidence shown or suggested thus far points at one perp.
How does a person live with the horror of what they've done without cracking ?
Some do just that, sadly.

But I think this case may turn out differently.
Especially if events become uncontrollable.
There's only so much a person can do, whether it's patrolling your property armed with a shotgun or setting up cameras to monitor (spy on) people trying to find your missing wife !
IMO

 

[Dave F.]

Good point. ^^^
They wouldn't.

The last thing you'd want (I cannot speak from experience, obviously) is a body in your vehicle whilst driving away with whatever you've stolen from the home !

I think her point is that a different crime could have been planned by persons not yet publicly recognized, and was replaced by an improvised plan when most of the victims were not at home. That type of scenario would not match your interpretation that it was a single crime planned by a known individual. It couldn't.

IMO

 

[Orgona]

Good point. ^^^
They wouldn't.

The last thing you'd want (I cannot speak from experience, obviously) is a body in your vehicle whilst driving away with whatever you've stolen from the home !

Agree. And on top of that with body in car stop next to the road to dispose bike and helmet. All added possibility to be seen by somebody. One would only do that if they are desperately trying to distance themselves from the house. The only person would need to do that is the one who lives there.

 

[LietKynes]

And, why would home invaders take the time to stage a bike scene?

Yep.

Agree. And why would they take the bike and helmet and toss it? And all that close to the home too.

Ita.

Like I commented, the evidence seems to point at one perp.
Hoping for a break in this case soon.

But I want justice for Suzanne and the right perp(s) held to account.
Even if this drags on for some time.
Patience.

 

[Dave F.]

Ok, so if I try to make the pieces fit for a home invasion I immediately stumble with understanding why they would remove Suzanne from the home? Seems unusual

Had there been ANY evidence at all that the home was the scene of a murder, it would have been held as evidence until a trial was complete. In the Berreth case, the parents held the mortgage on the property, and assumed outright ownership very soon after her disappearance. They did not get possession of it until after PF's conviction. IMO

 

[LietKynes]

I think her point is that a different crime could have been planned by persons not yet publicly recognized, and was replaced by an improvised plan when most of the victims were not at home. That type of scenario would not match your interpretation that it was a single crime planned by a known individual. It couldn't.

IMO

Fair enough.
I understand what you're saying.

In my last sentence, I was agreeing with the other poster, and alluding to more than one possible outside perp, and not the one I'm thinking of.
When I said "You..." I meant if it was an outside perp/random person; not BM.
Sorry if that sounded confusing.

If this case turns on it's head and we have a statement from LE reflecting this, I'll believe them.
As of now, LE seem to be following where the evidence leads and it appears that Suzanne met her fate at the hands of someone close to her.
Imo.

 

[Murphy1950]

Had there been ANY evidence at all that the home was the scene of a murder, it would have been held as evidence until a trial was complete. In the Berreth case, the parents held the mortgage on the property, and assumed outright ownership very soon after her disappearance. They did not get possession of it until after PF's conviction. IMO

Apparently not always...Stauch house has already been turned over. (Gannon)

 

[elliefant]

Had there been ANY evidence at all that the home was the scene of a murder, it would have been held as evidence until a trial was complete. In the Berreth case, the parents held the mortgage on the property, and assumed outright ownership very soon after her disappearance. They did not get possession of it until after PF's conviction. IMO

I could be very wrong but I didn’t think they did that in the Gannon Stauch case?

 

[NoSI]

And both shook their heads no the whole time. I watched that show too.

Me too... and both cases in Colorado.

 

[Dave F.]

Agree. And on top of that with body in car stop next to the road to dispose bike and helmet. All added possibility to be seen by somebody. One would only do that if they are desperately trying to distance themselves from the house. The only person would need to do that is the one who lives there.

I think that BM said to TD that he believed it likely that SM and the bike were together until moments before the bike landed in the area below the road.......either by abduction, accident or mountain lion. IMO

 

[MassGuy]

Had there been ANY evidence at all that the home was the scene of a murder, it would have been held as evidence until a trial was complete. In the Berreth case, the parents held the mortgage on the property, and assumed outright ownership very soon after her disappearance. They did not get possession of it until after PF's conviction. IMO

That’s simply not true. I’ve followed plenty of cases where a murder occurred in a home, and the house was turned over to family after it was processed.

Gannon Stauch was likely murdered in his bedroom, and the owner of the home put it up for rent again months ago. That case is nowhere near trial.

Law enforcement cannot hold a crime scene longer than necessary. Some cases take years to go to trial as well. Could you imagine your home being held for years?