Found Deceased CO - Suzanne Morphew, 49, did not return from bike ride, Chaffee County, 10 May 2020 #46

[steeltowngirl]

Many threads ago, I posted the Idaho COVID19 restrictions that were in place at the time. Basically outdoor activities like camping weren't just allowed.....they were encouraged. That doesn't mean that formal camps were open. The dining halls, meeting areas, and classes had to be closed and May is way too early for that type of camp in Idaho, anyway. There are some really cool things for young people to do between May 1 and May 15 in Idaho, and some of the coolest involve camping a couple of nights. I wish we knew more, but I don't think AM and Dr P have the answers for us. IMO

Campers were heading to Idaho, but were they being encouraged?
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article241524721.html

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Campers were heading to Idaho, but were they being encouraged?
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article241524721.html

Very interesting in any case!

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I am trying to find where I read that SM substituted in CO. I'll keep looking.

I remember very vague, that it was in IN. Can it be?

ETA: EU restrictions all the way, when I would like to find a link ......

 

[Deleted member 102539]

O/T Scott P.
Scott Peterson convictions in murder of pregnant wife, Laci, ordered re-examined
The court sent the case back to San Mateo County Superior Court to determine whether Peterson should receive a new trial, the Los Angeles Times reported.
The court said a juror committed “prejudicial misconduct” by failing to disclose that she had been involved with other legal proceedings.
So it goes on ......

 

[Orgona]

bbm
sorry but I find this sentence really offensive.
Can you explain what a normal relationship looks like please?

I am completely reliant on my spouse financially and am at No RISK of DV.
No more than a friend whom works 40 hours a week and/or earns more than her spouse.

Often the little woman whom is isolated from the outside world actually runs the money. Because she has the time. Most busy working spouses are totally on board with the stay at home partner paying bills and money sorting etc

IMO SM ran his books and kept him a well oiled successful contractor.

We can see by his actions immediately after SM disappearance how sketchy and unprofessional he was with his staff and a dilemma execution.
On top of the no spousal POA is very telling about who pulled what strings and when.

All relationship dynamics are different. Just because she chooses to stay home by no means makes her relationship 'unnormal'.

in my opinion

In my book a normal relationship is based on love, mutual respect, showing support for each other, mutual understanding for one an other and compromises along the way from both sides. And whatever disagreements and discussions are arising they are ultimately resolved respectfully. This has nothing to do with being a stay at home mom or not.

I did not say that stay at home moms are automatically abused or being a stay at home mom is abnormal. Many stay at home moms are even more active in the community than professional women. The key element is isolation by a partner which is easier to do if one has less contact with the outside word.

A manipulative abuser isolates his/her partner from friends and family and that’s what counts. That’s where that person loses reference to what is normal and what is not.

Before any man takes offense, I’m not saying either that anybody who likes to provide for his wife is automatically a manipulative abuser.

 

[minusfour]

Every time I check in here, I think maybe today is the day! Then I remember following the McStay family missing threads, how long that took, when most of us didn't really feel sure that there would be a day. Sigh. It's a day closer than it was yesterday.

 

[k-mac]

In my book a normal relationship is based on love, mutual respect, showing support for each other, mutual understanding for one an other and compromises along the way from both sides. And whatever disagreements and discussions are arising they are ultimately resolved respectfully. This has nothing to do with being a stay at home mom or not.

I did not say that stay at home moms are automatically abused or being a stay at home mom is abnormal. Many stay at home moms are even more active in the community than professional women. The key element is isolation by a partner which is easier to do if one has less contact with the outside word.

A manipulative abuser isolates his/her partner from friends and family and that’s what counts. That’s where that person loses reference to what is normal and what is not.

Before any man takes offense, I’m not saying either that anybody who likes to provide for his wife is automatically a manipulative abuser.

thank you for the extended clarification.
I agree with most of your original post specifically the isolation.
It is hard to speak about difficult things and express precisely what you mean without someone seeing something you didn't intend or predict!
Even my reply to you was controversial no matter how much you try to be neutral and clear.
It is easy to get bogged down in replying points sometimes its easier just to move on and not worry about a misperception of your point, some will get it, some won't.
But I appreciated it all the same

moo

 

[Boxer]

Anyone else heard anything since Monday regarding the Indiana pizza place and white truck tidbits that Chris and Mike dropped as hints on PE? Never did hear anything about the number 5 either. I almost can’t watch anymore. But still curious about this stuff. <modsnip>

Can you tell me which eposide of PE that was?
Thanls

 

[oviedo]

At the time the Indiana Guardianship case was filed, the family had not yet said anything in public. There was a huge evolution on the involvement of Suzanne's family from August through September. The support Profiling Evil gave Andy Moorman blew the lid off this case, IMO.

My point is, the Moorman family may well protest a filing in Colorado because they are in a much different position today, than they were back at the beginning when Suzanne first disappeared. With Andy's help and if Gene's health permits, I'm hoping they intervene.

I’m getting worried that he maybe won’t need to file in CO at all- CO is part of the coalition under Uniform Guardianship and the Letters issued by IN may be recognized without CO court Supervision - he may have used them to sign the listing agreement because as @303gmf pointed out all parties on the deed generally sign the listing agreement. We do real estate closings and this is a requirement for our firm-we don’t want any disruption at closing as far as conveying that deed to the buyer. @Seattle1 did a lot of research on UG so the answer may be known already? Help us out please!
JMO

He can list the house before filing because there's no guarantee the house will sell, he won't need to transfer the guardianship until he has an actual buyer and he needs to transfer the title. As of now, just listening has no real impact on SMs estate or finances. To be totally honest guardianships require ALOT of paperwork to get approved by the courts. its a lot of forms to fill out and records to locate... im sure BM is just putting off doing all that work. Additionally, theres always a chance he might be worried someone in CO intended to file a motion asking for his removal. If that was the case, it benefits him to wait to full until he absolutely has too. Im sure the court wouldn't want to be a hindrance to the sale of the house, if BM shows them its necessary

lol also sorry for jumping the gun... i think ive mentioned patience is not a virtue i have

That’s a great question!
Last jointly owned property I sold required both signatures on the listing agreement

Risky business listing the house without an approved Colorado Guardianship in hand. With CV19 impacts still bogging down the court system, a buyer could grow impatient and move on while Barry is waiting for a court approval. Particularly if Gene Moorman files an objection, which at this point is almost guaranteed IMO. The process would exponentially lengthen. Of course there is also the risk he could be arrested in the next month or two, which is also going to have impacts.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I’m getting worried that he maybe won’t need to file in CO at all- CO is part of the coalition under Uniform Guardianship and the Letters issued by IN may be recognized without CO court Supervision - he may have used them to sign the listing agreement because as @303gmf pointed out all parties on the deed generally sign the listing agreement. We do real estate closings and this is a requirement for our firm-we don’t want any disruption at closing as far as conveying that deed to the buyer. @Seattle1 did a lot of research on UG so the answer may be known already? Help us out please!
JMO

Oh no, I hope he does have to file or transfer to CO. Please let us know what you and the legal folks find out?

I had found this on the Colorado site; I am not sure what it all means, but I was hopeful he had to do something.

INSTRUCTIONS TO FILE PETITION TO ACCEPT ADULT GUARDIANSHIP AND/OR CONSERVATORSHIP IN COLORADO FROM SENDING STATE
Colorado Judicial Branch - Self Help - Forms - Guardian & Conservator Accept Adult Guard/Consv from Sending State

INSTRUCTIONS TO REGISTER OUT OF STATE GUARDIANSHIP OR CONSERVATORSHIP ORDERS IN COLORADO
https://www.courts.state.co.us/Form...te Guardianship or Conservatorship Orders.pdf

jmo

 

[oviedo]

Oh no, I hope he does have to file or transfer to CO. Please let us know what you and the legal folks find out?

I had found this on the Colorado site; I am not sure what it all means, but I was hopeful he had to do something. INSTRUCTIONS TO FILE PETITION TO ACCEPT ADULT GUARDIANSHIP AND/OR CONSERVATORSHIP IN COLORADO FROM SENDING STATE
Colorado Judicial Branch - Self Help - Forms - Guardian & Conservator Accept Adult Guard/Consv from Sending State

jmo

Ooh that’s very good sleuthing so there is a requirement !!! Another thing that just occurred to me is that when the closing agent orders title that may be the trigger for a CO court action as the title underwriter may require CO Letters to enable him to convey the deed - we are doing a closing where both owners are deceased and the one thing they did not put in trust was their building - two estates to open so the title can be signed in a Personal Representatives Deed.
JMO

 

[Orgona]

I’m getting worried that he maybe won’t need to file in CO at all- CO is part of the coalition under Uniform Guardianship and the Letters issued by IN may be recognized without CO court Supervision - he may have used them to sign the listing agreement because as @303gmf pointed out all parties on the deed generally sign the listing agreement. We do real estate closings and this is a requirement for our firm-we don’t want any disruption at closing as far as conveying that deed to the buyer. @Seattle1 did a lot of research on UG so the answer may be known already? Help us out please!
JMO

I’m not an expert by any means, but I saw the last PE episode which was talking about this with people who are specialized in this kind of thing in Colorado. According to what they said he has to go to court to make it happen. And IIRC in Colorado it called conservatorship. But I might be wrong about that. Either way, the most important take away from it was that he definitely have to request this through the Court.
The link to the episode was posted some pages back.

ETA: I see @steeltowngirl has already answered with real data

 

[oviedo]

PE just released an interview with 2 experts, discussing Colorado law on conservatorship and non-profits.

INSTRUCTIONS TO FILE PETITION TO ACCEPT ADULT GUARDIANSHIP AND/OR CONSERVATORSHIP IN COLORADO FROM SENDING STATE
Colorado Judicial Branch - Self Help - Forms - Guardian & Conservator Accept Adult Guard/Consv from Sending State

INSTRUCTIONS TO REGISTER OUT OF STATE GUARDIANSHIP OR CONSERVATORSHIP ORDERS IN COLORADO
https://www.courts.state.co.us/Form...te Guardianship or Conservatorship Orders.pdf

I’ve added this to the media thread for easy reference

 

[lonetraveler]

It's unfathomable to me, during a pandemic, a church having a camping trip at all
I understand that with covid-19 & SM's chemo treatments - she & her loved ones were being cautious about exposing her as she'd be high risk.

JMO

I agree. Here, all camps were canceled.

 

[lonetraveler]

During Covid? I'm not sure why it surprises you. She was undergoing chemotherapy, she was immune-suppressed.

How is this a mystery?

It would seem to me that it was a risk to SM for her daughters to go to camp and then come back and possibly expose her to Covid because they could have contracted it and not know it.

 

[lonetraveler]

True and I agree.

What I'm torn over is premeditation. Andy stated Barry arranged for the girls to go on the trip because they were housebound due to CV19 (paraphrasing). I can't ignore the obvious possibility he arranged for them to be gone so he could disappear Suzanne.

How may of you think this was planned vs. unplanned?

BBM: I can't ignore this either. I thought it a bit strange that he reportedly planned for them to go on the camping trip. How convenient.

 

[Megnut]

It would seem to me that it was a risk to SM for her daughters to go to camp and then come back and possibly expose her to Covid because they could have contracted it and not know it.

Not as dangerous as staying home with her husband proved to be.

To think, she survived two bouts of cancer and the front end of a pandemic.

I'm just so sad for those girls and all they've lost....

A lifetime won't make it make sense.

JMO

 

[Fireflize]

BBM: I can't ignore this either. I thought it a bit strange that he reportedly planned for them to go on the camping trip. How convenient.

I want to know:
Did BM organize the entire trip and offer to pay for it?
Or,
Was the trip already organized and BM asked that the girls be included?
Or,
Did someone else organize the trip and invite the girls, and BM just allowed them to go?

I hope there are a lot of texts surrounding the planning of this trip that will clearly show the evolution of the trip planning.

If the trip was planned by others and the girls were included as an afterthought, I would still wonder if that indicates pre-planning by BM.

But, If the trip was initiated by BM, then I would be convinced, in my own mind, (I think a jury would agree), that this was a murder with pre-planning and massive premeditation.

Just as BM initiating the bike narrative, equals staging.
Moo

 

[Dave F.]

Campers were heading to Idaho, but were they being encouraged?
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article241524721.html

The article you state is specifically about Valley county........which has less than 7,000 population. It has two visitor attractions.......Payette Lake at McCall, which is known for it's summer trout fishing (still a long way off in early May), and the Brundage Ski Resort, which people claim has the best spring powder skiing in the country (but was unfortunately closed completely due to COVID19). IMO

https://brundage.com/content/uploads/2020/06/COVID-Operational-Plan-Overall-3.0-6.17.2020-v2.pdf

 

[Dave F.]

I want to know:
Did BM organize the entire trip and offer to pay for it?
Or,
Was the trip already organized and BM asked that the girls be included?
Or,
Did someone else organize the trip and invite the girls, and BM just allowed them to go?

I hope there are a lot of texts surrounding the planning of this trip that will clearly show the evolution of the trip planning.

If the trip was planned by others and the girls were included as an afterthought, I would still wonder if that indicates pre-planning by BM.

But, If the trip was initiated by BM, then I would be convinced, in my own mind, (I think a jury would agree), that this was a murder with pre-planning and massive premeditation.

Just as BM initiating the bike narrative, equals staging.
Moo

Why is there no alternative for "the girls planned the trip themselves, paid for it with their own funds, and didn't need a chaperone" ?