CO - The Stalking and Mysterious Death of Morgan Ingram #1

[aussie_girl88]

Do you think other than the car being scratched that other incidents had occurred and m didn't tell her parents? I just think its odd that after hearing things for 2 days she gets scared and goes to her parents, making me think that other strange things were occurring? I dunno when I'm in bed at night I often hear noises hear tapping on windows etc and I just brush it off.

 

[Stash777]

She could have been slowly poisoned, but it still doesn't make sense as to why. Why would a stalker take away his source of amusement, his focus? They should be able to test her hair, if there's any left on her brush or something. I'd still like more definitive proof that she was the target, and not just the consequence of a target on someone else.

As others have raised concern about the possible "bad blood" between Morgan and B, if it had to do with that I can understand this happening in this way. Generally speaking, women tend to be less violent in the method of murdering their victims (i.e. poisoning vs more violent methods). The person in the gamecam photo is being seen by many as having a more feminine build, and I am also leaning towards this scenario right now. With this scenario, I"m thinking that whatever the issue between M and B was should be explored (not wanting B to come with them when dropping off their friend, leaving a party when seeing B and K - IIRC, and the keying of her car with the word that can be deduced from "a BIT muCH").

If it was a male, it could be as simple as, "If I can't have her, then nobody can have her." Depending on the person in this scenario, poisoning by a substance for which M had a prescription may have been the best option, plus it would leave less of a trail to said person.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000666/
Respectfully snipped by me - Dodman says that he has used amitriptyline 100% successfully on one narcoleptic horse at 300 mg once daily given in a mixture of sweet feed and molasses. "The horse ate it as willing as an aperitif (appetizer)," says Dodman.

And this would explain the high dose in her blood system. She lived right on the other side of a horse ranch, was there often, and could have either picked it up herself, or someone could have slipped it to her. Either way, there's how a large dose could have been delivered without finding a large amount of pill fragments that would have been found had she taken/been given handfuls of a human dose strength.

Oh boy...I posted my theory about slow poisoning anonymously as a comment on the blog, and the mom replied that her psychic investigator came up with the same thing, and more importantly Morgan drank from a glass water bottle that she carried everywhere that had never been tested.

If her nails were really torn, I bet the fatal dose was poured down her throat or injected.

The cremation is unfortunate. I think I will suggest that she have the hair from her hairbrush tested.

I don't post often, I'm more of a lurker, but I wanted to address your theory.

I think you are definitely on to something here with this theory. I snipped the following from the Aspen Times:

Specifically, Kurtzman's report cited “marked pulmonary edema,” or fluid buildup in the lungs, and “acute intermittent porphyria,” a metabolic disorder that causes severe stomach pains. (BBM)

http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20120907/NEWS/120909901/1077&ParentProfile=1058

I've been looking into this possibility since you posted this theory and have found some interesting things concerning the use of oxygen restriction due to "waterboarding", but I don't really know where to go with it considering my lack of medical expertise. Anyhow, ingestion of water and contaminates causes both hypoxaemia (which from what I've been able to find can cause pulmonary edema) and gastrointestinal disturbances (paraphrased from a research article I found through google), which might explain the original cause of death being both pulmonary edema and acute intermittent porphyria?? Additionally, the experience of this can also cause cardiac arrhythmia and arrest from the fear and stress (also from the research article).

The article is "Not waving, drowning". Asphyxia and torture: the myth of of simulated drowning and and other forms of torture by Jonathan Beynon, MD (if you want to take a look).

If anyone can weigh in on this with a medical background, that would be awesome!

Sorry to include my post on this, but these may provide an alternative means that could fit with the original and current cause of death. Could it be possible that a liquid form of amitriptyline was forced down her throat? The AR could really help with all of this.

Questions:

Would forcing M to ingest this liquid alone or mixed with water cause pulmonary edema and "acute intermittent porphyria" and would it cause her death?

With the amount of pills she would have needed to ingest, would any remnants of the pills be found in her stomach or intestines?

Could a build up of amitriptyline in the system cause death? I would think kidney and/or liver dysfunction/failure would be referenced in the autopsy at some point if this were the case (again not a medical expert by any means).

Was her hair wet/damp and/or was anything else around her room or bathroom damp/wet? (I'm thinking a specific puddle or damp area where this could have occurred, since I would imagine if M was forced to ingest liquid and she was fighting it that some of the liquid would have pooled at that location and on her depending on her position (hopefully that makes since).

 

[txsvicki]

Arsenic can cause psuedo porphyria. It was mentioned on a few sites i looked up to read about the condition. Not much was said about it though.

 

[txsvicki]

I can finally see it. Looks like a doo rag with hair rolling under at the nape. I can even see some highlights in the hair. What looks like a nose could be part of the head covering tie sticking out. How creepy. It kind of remin ds me of the jennifer kesse case with the video of the person wearing a beret and hair rolled up.

 

[Confusion]

I don't find it at all hard to believe that she took the pills herself; it wouldn't take that many. I haven't really seen anything in her behavior up to this point (by what her mother has written) that points to depression, but I could see how she could just be feeling hopeless about ever getting rid of the guy (or girl). I can see sometimes feeling helpless in her situation, and I know it would drive me crazy having to report to my parents that often, be home by 9 or 10 and met at the driveway. Of course, there's no way to know if it affected her the same way it would affect me. I could believe that she committed suicide, but I could just as easily believe she was murdered.
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[Lera213]

IIRC the mom stated that K was arrested a few times with unrelated charges and were small charges. Now him or one of his friends could have been arrested and this might be why the gap in incidents. Also if someone from the horse farm, perhaps they took vacation, went away on a job or something like that. If the neighbor perhaps he went on vacation. Just some thoughts.

I have been searching mask like crazy and I haven't seen one that even comes close. It would be a realistic type mask, flesh color. In the photo the mouth sure does look very wide so I searched all the Joker mask and didn't find one to really match. Then I thought of the "Richard Nixon" mask and that kind of would fit if the teeth weren't all showing.

Then I thought, hrm, this guy if it were K or another wouldn't go and seek out an expensive off market mask would he...so then I searched there and didn't come up with anything either. I cannot get over the mouth part in the Wildlife Cam Photo (wcp)

 

[Lera213]

I don't find it at all hard to believe that she took the pills herself; it wouldn't take that many. I haven't really seen anything in her behavior up to this point (by what her mother has written) that points to depression, but I could see how she could just be feeling hopeless about ever getting rid of the guy (or girl). I can see sometimes feeling helpless in her situation, and I know it would drive me crazy having to report to my parents that often, be home by 9 or 10 and met at the driveway. Of course, there's no way to know if it affected her the same way it would affect me. I could believe that she committed suicide, but I could just as easily believe she was murdered.
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To bounce off your post: Lets just suppose that she did take the pills at her own hand. There would still be a case to charge someone, for it was long torturous stalking that brought her to that point. If the stalking didn't occur she wouldn't have done that so the person who was doing the stalking IMO should be charged.

I personally do not believe she did, for what I've read and seen on her own blog she was all about life. Even her mother stated that Morgan was doing all she could not not let this stalker change her life. She was dealing with it as well as her mom and dad and on some days even better. MOO

 

[rollinginit]

Yes. That is the only way for his body to look like it is in a natural position. I think the blur has created a face like image that throws people off. If you notice his reflection in the car door window it also supports this. And the black oval over the face in the car door window looks like it may have been purposely put there. Perhaps for legal reasons? I don't know.

I see something completely different in the picture.

I think what is happening.....our computer screens are different, so some of us are seeing the picture different.

Since I just got this computer, the blacks look different than the blacks did 2 days ago.

I actually see the ball cap bib with a light outline of a "star" logo on the cap. It looks like the stalker is staring towards the road.

 

[Lera213]

I was just reading Morgan's facebook page, and some comments made by the mom, and every time she mentions about the case Man she ends with or WOMAN!

I'm starting to think that we will learn that B, C and K all took part in this.

 

[Lera213]

OMG

I was looking closer at the group picture of B, K, C, and M. M friend, the one with the long hair...look at the turned up nose, look at the chin, now look at the stalker photo.

 

[Lera213]

Nursebeeme, I'm with you....my list is all of them now plus unknowns. *laugh*

 

[rollinginit]

About the pills.

Morgan was prescibed those pills several years ago when the family had a faulty funrance and she was exposed to carbon minoxide (severe headaches). Morgan was put into a chamber for air and got better soon afterwards. From what I understand, after she died, her pill bottle still has pills in them. (not sure how many)

Somebody ask why would the stalker kill her? From everything I understand about stalkers, it can and has essclated to murder before. They get mad at the victim for what ever reason.

Rebecca Schaeffer (from my sister sam) made a movie and in that movie, she had sex in the movie. It enraged the creep b/c he was in love with her and thought she was cheating on him. He hired a PI to find her address, then went to her apartment and shot her.

Theresa Saldana was another one. She was stabbed 10 times by her stalker...who she had never met. (she did survive)

Laura Black. There is a movie made about this stalking case. It's enough to make you cry. She meet this guy at a work function. For 4 years, she had to deal with him. He ended up shooting up the whole work place. He ended up killing 7 people.
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Farley"]Richard Farley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[txsvicki]

Lera, where is the link to the group pic?tks sorry, new at using a kindle and can't seem to quote yet.

 

[rollinginit]

Lera, where is the link to the group pic?tks sorry, new at using a kindle and can't seem to quote yet.

It's at the bottom of one of the pages in the blog in the comments section.


Some have asked about the "DONATE" button and the whole money thing.

Just wanted to let you know what I found out......
Morgan was a CMC student and they (the parents) set up a scholarship fund in her name in the theatre department

 

[ScotsPaddy]

I don't know. To me, the right an left are too symmetrical to be a hat and longish hair. I still think its a swift movement from left to right, or vice versa. I think his left arm appears very skinny only because of blur from movement. If you look at one of the officer pics, the first one I think, one of his arms is distorted also.

Thanks TripleE,thought i was the only one who had noticed.
I had posted earlier in the thread about the head in the stalker pic,he was moving his head either left to right or vice versa when the camera took the pic.
If you take a pic of the head,blow it up and put a line straight down the middle it is nearly a mirror image either side of the line..

 

[ScotsPaddy]

Also,about forcing something down her throat,wouldnt her throat have been swabbed?.
Also re the water bottle poisoning,my other half walks about with a water bottle but she is either always refilling,topping up or putting fresh water..

 

[Lera213]

Also,about forcing something down her throat,wouldnt her throat have been sabbed?.
Also re the water bottle poisoning,my other half walks about with a water bottle but she is either always refilling,topping up or putting fresh water..

well if the stalker was inside the house and the mom stated that M had her own medicine cabinet, perhaps he poisoned something that she uses daily how about vitamins or Tylenol.

Edit to add: It could be one of her friends that she didn't suspect like the one that knew B and C. She did go over there often. hrm, a simply test (hey what are you doing) M would reply on my way home blah blah blah.

 

[ScotsPaddy]

Was there ever a length of time when there was always a member of the family in the house,like over a period of weeks?.
Id also like to see pics of Morgan in some sort of order,you know from the start of the stalking to the end just to see if i can see any difference in her..

Anyone got a linkie to this other forum the mums been posting on please?..

 

[ScotsPaddy]

Does the mum know about WS?.

 

[ScotsPaddy]

Yes im posting randomly because im trying to get out of housework