CO - The Stalking and Mysterious Death of Morgan Ingram #1

[ScotsPaddy]

Is nurse about?,no,good.
Ok i can definately as someone posted earlier about B see her being involved,i dunno,theres something very feminin(that a word?(sp)about this stalking,i know weird but i feel it(which means im usually wrong!),thats not to say that B wasnt directing operations and K was carrying out the orders..
Also someone posted they had found something on E<modsnip>
Ach just post it and blame me,say i harrased you to post it,i could do with a break lol.

 

[rollinginit]

I'm starting to suspect that there are a few people involved in this. A group of friends that did not like Morgan. Maybe somewhere in that group of friends, one of them went rogue. That person became obsessed with terrorizing this family.

I wonder if the family has ever thought about getting any of Morgan's personal items tested for poisons?

 

[rollinginit]

Does the mum know about WS?.

I don't know, but I suspect the mom does google Morgan's name. If she does, this thread shows up on the first page.

 

[NancyA]

So, I went away yesterday to have bbq with friends, while my husband was involved with the husband and son in planning the details of an upcoming camping/fishing trip we&#8217;re taking all together, I was talking about this case with the wife and her 23 yr old daughter. Like me they were intrigued by the whole thing (when I left with my husband the daughter was so engrossed in the case on her laptop she barely lifted her head to say goodbye LOL) and they both were firing questions at me, the same ones many of us have asked here and, of course, can&#8217;t answer.

They both had the same difficulty I do in getting a clear idea of the continuity of events, where certain details and information came from and how other events and details seem to be mentioned in passing then get left hanging or peter out &#8211; we guessed (hoped) maybe these are to be expanded on in the months to come.

Reading through the posts since my last visit here a couple of things strike me, first, big thanks to MayraMM for the timeline it certainly helps to have some kind of chronology! Second two new pieces of info from Mom jump out at me.

The torn or cut fingernails? Were they cut or were they torn? It makes a difference surely. Where/when was this noticed? Who noticed it? Did they take pics? And then my friend&#8217;s daughter had emailed me last night, found it this morning, she told me to read back in the entry from August 31st:

http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?tag=criminal

Where the mother says &#8220;Morgan&#8217;s stalker was there that night, and we can prove it.&#8221; :what:

How? What&#8217;s the proof? I wanna know! We ALL wanna know. But she only goes on to say: &#8220;We are her parents. We lived in the same house. We put up 24 hr. video surveillance around the house, and we should have been questioned by the Coroner&#8217;s office, and we never were!&#8221;

Is the clue in the 24hr video surveillance, is it possible they have footage of an intruder that night?

 

[Spotlight]

If you look at the image of the stalker that you can see in the Rear passenger window, I think he is wearing one of these

http://www.mackspw.com/Item--i-UND1231250S

And if you check the pictures of "K's" myspace page he is wearing one of them

 

[inthedark14]

I don't know, but I suspect the mom does google Morgan's name. If she does, this thread shows up on the first page.

Which is all the more reason to abide by the rules set in place for this thread.

Always MOO

 

[pianokiller]

I'm so glad about all the participation and ideas on this thread I just wish she would post more than one day at a time on her blog... It's hard when we are vying for more information to fill in some of the blanks.

 

[twinkiesmom]

To bounce off your post: Lets just suppose that she did take the pills at her own hand. There would still be a case to charge someone, for it was long torturous stalking that brought her to that point. If the stalking didn't occur she wouldn't have done that so the person who was doing the stalking IMO should be charged.

I personally do not believe she did, for what I've read and seen on her own blog she was all about life. Even her mother stated that Morgan was doing all she could not not let this stalker change her life. She was dealing with it as well as her mom and dad and on some days even better. MOO

If she committed suicide, the rest of it including the missing gold jewelry becomes a hoax...

 

[ScotsPaddy]

If she committed suicide, the rest of it including the missing gold jewelry becomes a hoax...

Could it not be that the stalking was real and that pushed her over the edge?,i dont see how it would all be a hoax?.

 

[Lacyanna]

Not necessarily. There are other possibilities. I would not really want to go straight to hoax. Although I am utterly on the fence as to what happened, as are many of us-"if" it were a suicide-we have heard many stories of people giving things away or throwing things away before the act.

I just believe so much more is yet to be revealed to us.

Cheers,
Lacyanna

If she committed suicide, the rest of it including the missing gold jewelry becomes a hoax...

 

[ScotsPaddy]

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I personally do not believe she did, for what I've read and seen on her own blog she was all about life. Even her mother stated that Morgan was doing all she could not not let this stalker change her life. She was dealing with it as well as her mom and dad and on some days even better. MOO

Yes but maybe she decided it was too much and didnt want to worry her mother?,at the start maybe she was fighting it but got worn down i the end?.

I only say that because of my own personal battle with depression,i hide my thoughts everyday(or people just think im grumpy)....

 

[twinkiesmom]

I don't post often, I'm more of a lurker, but I wanted to address your theory.

I think you are definitely on to something here with this theory. I snipped the following from the Aspen Times:

Specifically, Kurtzman's report cited “marked pulmonary edema,” or fluid buildup in the lungs, and “acute intermittent porphyria,” a metabolic disorder that causes severe stomach pains. (BBM)

http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20120907/NEWS/120909901/1077&ParentProfile=1058

I've been looking into this possibility since you posted this theory and have found some interesting things concerning the use of oxygen restriction due to "waterboarding", but I don't really know where to go with it considering my lack of medical expertise. Anyhow, ingestion of water and contaminates causes both hypoxaemia (which from what I've been able to find can cause pulmonary edema) and gastrointestinal disturbances (paraphrased from a research article I found through google), which might explain the original cause of death being both pulmonary edema and acute intermittent porphyria?? Additionally, the experience of this can also cause cardiac arrhythmia and arrest from the fear and stress (also from the research article).

The article is "Not waving, drowning". Asphyxia and torture: the myth of of simulated drowning and and other forms of torture by Jonathan Beynon, MD (if you want to take a look).

If anyone can weigh in on this with a medical background, that would be awesome!

I don't have a medical degree but work in pharma and have a small amount of knowledge about a lot of things.

I found some references that might support ethylene glycol (antifreeze) as the mystery poison...Note the kidney damage is the last phase of intoxication...I believe she received enough to debilitate her but probably not a lethal dose...and am not sure if they would have found this in her system as 1) they were not looking for it and 2) they did find the large dose of amytriptyline.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495900/pdf/postmedj00285-0058.pdf
http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/c/chemical_poisoning_propylene_glycol/symptoms.htm#symptom_list

 

[twinkiesmom]

Not necessarily. There are other possibilities. I would not really want to go straight to hoax. Although I am utterly on the fence as to what happened, as are many of us-"if" it were a suicide-we have heard many stories of people giving things away or throwing things away before the act.

I just believe so much more is yet to be revealed to us.

Cheers,
Lacyanna

Yes, but we know one of the main suspects was caught selling a stash of gold jewelry and the parents have never been given the opportunity to cross check what was found against what was missing.

I just don't see suicide as the second option...

I believe the parents are telling the truth on this blog.<modsnip>

I say this not to bash the parents but rather law enforcement. It's not possible to me with this set of circumstances that nothing happened here to deserve investigation. Someone committed stalking and murder. If I was her mom, I would demand to be investigated myself (as Mr. Klass did).

I apologize to Nurse if this doesn't meet the posting criteria.

 

[concernedmother]

How do we know she wasnt just injected with the medication? It is used on horses, the horse farm lets offenders do community service. Maybe someone became fixated with Morgan and she most likely would have blew them off.

 

[rollinginit]

Something was bought uplink about the fingernail's of Morgan.

Morgan had a french manicure the day before she died.
In the coroner's report, 3 of her nails on her right hand were torn or cut off at an angle. The funeral home is owned by the Coroner. The mom sent many certified letter that were returned plus called many time. She wanted to know if these nails were cut or torn from defensive...or if the funeral home mishandled the body.

Also, everybody that handled the body says they did NOT mess with Morgan's fingernails.

The mom talks about it in the comment section
http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=1096#comments

 

[Lera213]

Yes but maybe she decided it was too much and didnt want to worry her mother?,at the start maybe she was fighting it but got worn down i the end?.

I only say that because of my own personal battle with depression,i hide my thoughts everyday(or people just think im grumpy)....

ScotsPaddy,

I believe that M would have left her mom a note. She was that type of Girl. I really do not believe she took those pills to kill herself. MOO

 

[Lera213]

The sad part of all of this, even if they opened the investigation again, without actual clear footage or proof there is no way I believe there would be an arrest or a guilty verdict. The only evidence that we know of right now is a picture of a shoe print, a distorted picture and missing jewelry. Unless like the mom stated they can prove the stalker was inside the house, and even that would be her word against the accused. I believe this is why she is doing the blog for a few reason's that she stated plus to add pressure on the killer, and or someone who might know more information about who did it. Maybe they will come forward!

I also believe this is a very healing aspect for the Mom to write this blog. She kept detail notes during this entire ordeal. That alone can be evidence also.

PS: Nevermind, Mom answered my question in a blog comment which she stated they have all her medicines and stuff to include her mattress in a plastic bag and if need be they can still be tested!

I'm so happy she was smart to keep those things!

 

[rollinginit]

The sad part of all of this, even if they opened the investigation again, without actual clear footage or proof there is no way I believe there would be an arrest or a guilty verdict. The only evidence that we know of right now is a picture of a shoe print, a distorted picture and missing jewelry. Unless like the mom stated they can prove the stalker was inside the house, and even that would be her word against the accused. I believe this is why she is doing the blog for a few reason's that she stated plus to add pressure on the killer, and or someone who might know more information about who did it. Maybe they will come forward!

I also believe this is a very healing aspect for the Mom to write this blog. She kept detail notes during this entire ordeal. That alone can be evidence also.

Speaking of the stalker pictures....In the comment section, mom wrote there were some pretty fasicnating things they have learned about that picture and what he has with him. So I guess we will all know later on.
http://morganingram.com/wordpress/?p=845#comments

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

SBM.

Perhaps it was M's preference?

The only reference (so far) that I've seen in the blog is a family reply in the first entry posted today. "...since her body is gone..." Perhaps they will write more about the reason(s) for that decision.

Cazzie--See Post 387 by M2Gnr (their first post) who said here that M was cremated. I would like to hear more about why the parents would cremate with all of the cod suspicions lurking? Perhaps we will hear more from M's mom about this because I find it highly unusual.....if it is true????

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

How do we know she wasnt just injected with the medication? It is used on horses, the horse farm lets offenders do community service. Maybe someone became fixated with Morgan and she most likely would have blew them off.

And it is possible that M went visiting her horse there without her mother's knowledge. I know I would be missing my horse and would like the comfort of being near my beloved animal *especially* if I was feeling stressed. M didn't know (and neither did her mom until after the fact) that some of those that worked on the horse farm had a criminal history and was doing community service. Could it be that M would sneak away to go there as she did have time away from her parents? If so, did this put her in harm's way? :what: