CO - The Stalking and Mysterious Death of Morgan Ingram #1

[ScotsPaddy]

At one point I was wondering if she was taking something to help her just sleep. One of the blogs mention how the parents called the cops, and talked to them. Not sure which night but Morgan was home because Toni said she slept through all of it.....[/QUOT

I think maybe more than once shes slept through a disturbance so far in the blog?,i will try check that as soon as ive eaten...

 

[keeponsearching]

Comment made on sept 5th on blog.

Toni talked about going into the bathroom in the middle of house, and turn fan on to discuss plans. She Just wished they had done it sooner. This is about stalker being able to hear, maybe using a hunters listening device.

That is just unbelievable for what this family has been through

 

[Trident]

For many years now I've gone with my gut feeling, fear, whatever. Once I was standing on the shore of a beautiful lake admiring the view. Something inside of me was screaming to get out of there. I didn't understand it, or why, but I did leave. Maybe a stray bullet was going to richocet off a boulder? Mayber a killer was on his/her way to the lake. I don't know, can't say, I just left and I'm alive today.

I will add that my little voice said, "DON'T move into the little cottage. Man, it said that every day for over a month, but I didn't listen. Now I'm sadder, but wiser. ALWAYS LISTEN TO THAT LITTLE VOICE.

I haven't read the book yet, but it's on my list, sounds like it will just reinforce what I already know and learned the hard way. Even though we are "modern", we still have instinct left - use them.

 

[Herding Cats]

Where was M the night she died, before she got home? There is where everyone needs to focus. The med docs posted say one hour to 90 minutes ingestion before her death, so where was she, who was she with, what was she doing?

Merc, I am the one who put the hour to 90 minutes prior to death on this thread...and I'm not a Dr. I based that on a few things, but I still wouldn't want anyone to think that it's cut in stone, you know? I could easily be wrong.

If a Dr did indeed say it, could you link it? I would love to have the confirmation, but I was just going of lethal levels, and the levels in her blood, and the apparent distress her body was in at the time (lost weight, looking gaunt, et cetera; that would lead to a hastening of the drug effects). I also base it on my theory that there was someone in her room that night...although, again, that's pure speculation.

I do think she passed probably around 3 am, as the mother posted a photo of a deer passing by the window, captioned as (paraphrased) "the first creature that said goodbye, we'll miss you" (or something like that).

So if a Dr indeed did say it, I'd love to get the confirmation. If not, please take that as pure speculation from me.

Thanks!

Best-
Herding Cats

 

[21merc7]

Herding Cats;

I don't remember where the 1 hour to 90 minutes came from, it was posted here, but I can't remember if it was yesterday or this weekend.
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Listening devices can be purchased through detective magazines and websites, also websites that sell nannycams, household security items, etc...

 

[21merc7]

At one point I was wondering if she was taking something to help her just sleep. One of the blogs mention how the parents called the cops, and talked to them. Not sure which night but Morgan was home because Toni said she slept through all of it.....[/QUOT

I think maybe more than once shes slept through a disturbance so far in the blog?,i will try check that as soon as ive eaten...

IDK if she was taking anything to sleep or not. I do know that when you have not had a lot of sleep and are stressed out, somewhere in there your body will take a night off and just sleep. You will be knocked out kind of sleep as your body cannot go any further and needs to tune out.

 

[nursebeeme]

Herding Cats;

I don't remember where the 1 hour to 90 minutes came from, it was posted here, but I can't remember if it was yesterday or this weekend.
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Listening devices can be purchased through detective magazines and websites, also websites that sell nannycams, household security items, etc...

heck, my son has a toy one (re: bbm) that works really well! I cannot believe it is a toy! It came in a set with other spy toys. He also has a toy set of NODS that mister nurse says work really well even compared to the ones they use in the military (he is active duty)

 

[ChunkyMonkey]

is there any real proof that any of these young people were involved? it would be a shame to taint the reputations and names of innocent young people without any concrete proof for accusations.

I agree Marshmallow!

I feel uneasy about the publishing of B's, CH's and J's names, the view of their houses on Google maps, and the descriptions of the proximity of their homes in relation to Morgan's which would make it easy to guess their addresses. B is a minor with a brand new baby of her own... I hope they aren't getting threats and/or stalkers of their own.

Someone way upthread mentioned that K's mom has her hackles up over this.

I know that Morgan's mom has consulted with lawyers about what she posts/doesn't post but social media spreads like wildfire. I wouldn't call this cyber bullying, but these people don't really have a platform on which to defend themselves that compares to the amount of exposure the blog is getting.

 

[aussie_girl88]

I agree Marshmallow!

I feel uneasy about the publishing of B's, CH's and J's names, the view of their houses on Google maps, and the descriptions of the proximity of their homes in relation to Morgan's which would make it easy to guess their addresses. B is a minor with a brand new baby of her own... I hope they aren't getting threats and/or stalkers of their own.

Someone way upthread mentioned that K's mom has her hackles up over this.

I know that Morgan's mom has consulted with lawyers about what she posts/doesn't post but social media spreads like wildfire. I wouldn't call this cyber bullying, but these people don't really have a platform on which to defend themselves that compares to the amount of exposure the blog is getting.

It will Probally end in a lawsuit. Seems how everything is done these days.

 

[21merc7]

Let's not forget your cellphone or wireless phone can be hacked and used as a listening device too.

I don't have speakers at work, but here is a video that may explain one of the ways this can be done. There are a few apps people can also put on your phone if they have access to it. I'm sure there are more ways. I was once told by a computer programmer that a web cam and microphone can be hacked and used to observe you. (Although there are some good webcams you can put in a window to catch anyone approaching.)

http://www.city-data.com/forum/cell-phones-smartphones/633411-do-you-own-cell-phone.html

 

[Cornbread]

Ok may sound strange but whats to say her heart didnt just stop?,no heart attack or anything else,her heart jus stopped,she looked stressed and very tired and maybe it was just too much?..
And yes young healthy people can just drop dead.
Yes Yes i know,what about the stuff found in her system/stomach,well maybe she just didnt tell her mom everything and had been self prescribing tro try get a good nights sleep or de-stress a bit.maybe she thought so much of her mom she just didnt want to tell her,does that make sense?.

All my opinion of course.

Off to make spag bog now.

Again though, had she been self-medicating, where are the pill fragments or other evidence of how she was administering the drugs to herself? And considering the high levels of several drugs that were found, why would she take such insanely high doses and in such a clandestine form? If she wasn't expecting to die what would be the point of taking the drugs in any way other than just straight pills? If she took it in a form other than a pill, how did she get rid of the evidence before she died?

Also, something else to consider is that according to the second opinion posted yesterday from the Arapahoe County Coroner/ME/Forensic Pathologist, the Flexiril is what was found in gastric contents, the amitriptylene and nortriptylene (sp?) were found in tests done on her blood, so doesn't it remain possible that those two COULD have been administered via some sort of creme or patch or something of the sort and not by pills or spiked food/drink? Hopefully I haven't just been misunderstanding what everyone has been saying.

I know we are all going back and forth about the poisoning:
-was it over time, or one or two lethal doses
-was it injected in food, or directly into her
(and other questions)

My question is: is there a possibilty that the stalker was simply trying to incapacitate her? Kind of the date-rape druged up scenario? Maybe he was planning on drugging her and then taking her somewhere, or raping her in her house but not killing her? He is so dumb that he injects her with way too much, ruining his plan? I have never heard a stalking case quite like this one. Wouldn't her death in this way be anti-climatic for most stalkers?

I've wondered about this too. Perhaps he saw that she was alone (or knew she would be, if he did indeed have some sort of bug in the house), and seized the opportunity, meaning only to incapacitate her, and instead killing her?

I REALLY wish we knew that they had actually done a full rape kit and checked for signs of sexual assault other than "Well she didn't look disheveled at the scene". It would be extremely helpful if the Garfield Co. officials were actually being cooperative. That's something that keeps standing out to me: they aren't doing or saying anything to charge the family for making false reports or to say "Look, we DID do this and this" or to otherwise defend their reputation. If the Ingram's story was made up/embellished/etc. and the authorities had done their job properly, I don't believe for one second that they wouldn't be throwing everything they could out there to discredit the Ingrams and show that they did the right thing. Instead, they've kept totally silent and the efforts to shut up the Ingrams seem (from what I can find) limited to threatening (and following through) changing the verdict to suicide and generally sticking with "Uh... well... they're just upset... uh...". It's also quite thought provoking that Dr. Dobersen's report states that he doesn't see how the original verdict was arrived at and that he doesn't at all agree with the verdict or suicide and instead feels that it should have been classified as "undetermined".

IMHO, Dr. Dobersen's report does quite a lot to substantiate Toni's story and lend her more credibility while doing the exact opposite for the GC authorities, most especially the coroner/pathologist.

 

[concernedmother]

Maybe the alphabet kids will hear they are being discussed on this forum and drop by and give their sideof the story.

 

[marycarney]

I agree Marshmallow!

I feel uneasy about the publishing of B's, CH's and J's names, the view of their houses on Google maps, and the descriptions of the proximity of their homes in relation to Morgan's which would make it easy to guess their addresses. B is a minor with a brand new baby of her own... I hope they aren't getting threats and/or stalkers of their own.

Someone way upthread mentioned that K's mom has her hackles up over this.

I know that Morgan's mom has consulted with lawyers about what she posts/doesn't post but social media spreads like wildfire. I wouldn't call this cyber bullying, but these people don't really have a platform on which to defend themselves that compares to the amount of exposure the blog is getting.

BBM : We do not KNOW this - we are told this, by Morgan's mother.

Again, I would be very grateful for some triangulation here. Some independent source of facts / details / circumstances besides what Morgan's mother is feeding us.

 

[Marshmallow]

Maybe the alphabet kids will hear they are being discussed on this forum and drop by and give their sideof the story.

I actually hope for their sake and safety they do not. Anything theywould say would be against the rules of this topic and it would not be a friendly place for them. I hope if they feel threatened in any way they seek legal advice and contact LE.

 

[Marshmallow]

are there any neighbor accounts or complaints of strangers wandering or loitering in their yard in the year leading up to Morgan's death?

 

[rollinginit]

are there any neighbor accounts or complaints of strangers wandering or loitering in their yard in the year leading up to Morgan's death?

This site here lists all the LE calls they get in. It only goes back until Jan 2012. I tried clicking next to get to Dec, but I don't guess they store them that long online.

http://www.postindependent.com/SECTION/&Profile=1007&ParentProfile=1074

 

[concernedmother]

are there any neighbor accounts or complaints of strangers wandering or loitering in their yard in the year leading up to Morgan's death?

After the neighbors found out it doesnt seem that way. At least, up to yesterdays blog post.From my understanding mom saw him run past the window once and that image on the cam. That may have been the perp or could have just been nosey neighbor wondering why the cops were there all the time. There isnt any way to know.When the image was caught no one knew yet what was going on.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

This site here lists all the LE calls they get in. It only goes back until Jan 2012. I tried clicking next to get to Dec, but I don't guess they store them that long online.

http://www.postindependent.com/SECTION/&Profile=1007&ParentProfile=1074

I found a call log on the Garfield County Sheriffs Office website. I couldn't find any reports listed there other than Morgans death- and it doesn't name her but it's the same date and area.

I would post a link but I'm on my phone.

 

[Lera213]

heck, my son has a toy one (re: bbm) that works really well! I cannot believe it is a toy! It came in a set with other spy toys. He also has a toy set of NODS that mister nurse says work really well even compared to the ones they use in the military (he is active duty)

I could not resist:

 

[keeponsearching]

http://www.garcosheriff.com/sheriffs_activity_log.html

Here is call logs going all the back.