CO - Tim Watkins, 61, shot to death, Mount Herman, 14 Sept 2017 #1

[TeaTime]

I don't see a scenario where a bicyclist is confronted by someone to the point of losing a shoe and then rides his bike into the wilderness on a rugged trail as a getaway rather than toward the relative safety of the neighborhood and using the paved roads. It makes no sense, it is not reasonable, it is not how a panicked person reacts.

JMHO

Therefore, I think he was shot while riding the trail, the killer was already there and ambushed him from not far away, he ditched the bike to run through the woods, lost a shoe as he ran, collapsed in the wooded area and was shot again while down and semi-buried on the spot. The shoe and the bike were moved because they were too exposed and would be discovered too quickly. They were both tossed aside as the killer left the area, likely going back to the car parking area near the trail head at Mt. Herman. I think the shoe got tossed out of the window as the perp headed to Red Rock Ranch Rd.

JMHO

 

[kkdj]

I don't see a scenario where a bicyclist is confronted by someone to the point of losing a shoe and then rides his bike into the wilderness on a rugged trail as a getaway rather than toward the relative safety of the neighborhood and using the paved roads. It makes no sense, it is not reasonable, it is not how a panicked person reacts.

JMHO

Therefore, I think he was shot while riding the trail, the killer was already there and ambushed him from not far away, he ditched the bike to run through the woods, lost a shoe as he ran, collapsed in the wooded area and was shot again while down and semi-buried on the spot. The shoe and the bike were moved because they were too exposed and would be discovered too quickly. They were both tossed aside as the killer left the area, likely going back to the car parking area near the trail head at Mt. Herman. I think the shoe got tossed out of the window as the perp headed to Red Rock Ranch Rd.

JMHO

Then there will be DNA and/or fingerprints. Hope there is!

 

[Shiressleuth]

I've wondered all of this! And who's ID was it?
I'm pretty sure the car was registered to KN. DN didn't have a license in his name afaik, so he probably has used a stolen or fake license time and time again. He most certainly wouldn't want his real name to come up in a different state after he failed to register (RSO) there, and had fled from registering (RSO) in IN. IMO he didn't want to be found. But I'm surprised he didn't steal some license plates from CO with an up to date registration sticker. He risked being pulled over every time he (they) drove that car since the registration was expired. Was he in CO when it expired? Do we know the expiration date?
https://www.in.gov/bmv/2451.htm

Could it have been his brother's perhaps? JMO.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Shire- did u mean to say Cut OFF by, not "cut up" ? Pls clarify. Txs!

Not that sort of "cut up" but "cut up"as in traffic. Either the car came too close (cutting him up) and he fell off or TW cycled too close cutting up the vehicle that caused it to swerve. Then an altercation with the hatchet coming out and a chase ending in a shooting.

 

[kkdj]

Could it have been his brother's perhaps? JMO.

Depending on whether or not it had a picture I suppose it could have been. Iirc they were stepbrothers so I doubt they looked alike.

 

[Shiressleuth]

https://m.gazette.com/colorado-spri...th-of-friend-in-homeless-camp/article/1611188
The sentencing occurred the same day TW disappeared.

 

[kizzykat]

Was TW's autopsy report sealed? LE is holding info in the case close to the vest, so I wondered about the autopsy report. So far I haven't been able to locate any news mentioning it.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Was TW's autopsy report sealed? LE is holding info in the case close to the vest, so I wondered about the autopsy report. So far I haven't been able to locate any news mentioning it.

I think it was sealed because of the similarities with Delphi. DN's arrest warrants were sealed too.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Depending on whether or not it had a picture I suppose it could have been. Iirc they were stepbrothers so I doubt they looked alike.

I have found his photo in several MSM articles but have been trying to link them and my phone just hangs up. If you google " Edward Lyles sex on the beach" many articles come up. His mug photo does have some similarities with the most recent mug of DN IMO.

 

[Shiressleuth]

http://happytrails88.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/limbaugh-canyon-loop.html?m=1


This link provides a great description of the Trail (715) that has been discussed - the Limbaugh canyon loop and Beaver Creek. Some beautiful pictures too.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

What you're saying is true, but I'm sure that her death is being investigated. My only point was that given the totality of what I've found, I don't **believe in my **opinion that her death is related. Given the un-likelihood, I find it easier and more sensible to proceed with talking as if they are not related, rather than are.

There's nothing unfair about that. She **probably** disappeared on her own account, not DN's. Of course, we all have our own opinions.

I agree with you totally on this. Given the short length of the search, the fact that there has been a public memorial for her - all points to those in the know not thinking she was a victim of foul play. Just IMO of course.

 

[Ember123]

OMG just lost a long post! To summarize- Wonder if TW's bike shows hatchet markings or car paint? Wonder if DN's vehicle reveals any evidence r/t TW? Wonder why DN didn't steal some CO plates? I DO think hatchet a key connection because a 22 caliber or body half covered both seem too commonplace although I DO realize the Indy plates alone may have aroused LE's suspicions. OT a bit- Had a dream I was in a house trying to alert LE to DN escalating w/o arousing DN's ire and I had 2 small kids to protect- it was terrifying. I DO suspect Drs Oz & Phil both aimed at bringing KN forward. JMO though! MOO!

 

[Ember123]

Not that sort of "cut up" but "cut up"as in traffic. Either the car came too close (cutting him up) and he fell off or TW cycled too close cutting up the vehicle that caused it to swerve. Then an altercation with the hatchet coming out and a chase ending in a shooting.

Ooooohhhhh, got it. Here it is more oft called being "cut off" (in traffic).

 

[Shiressleuth]

OMG just lost a long post! To summarize- Wonder if TW's bike shows hatchet markings or car paint? Wonder if DN's vehicle reveals any evidence r/t TW? Wonder why DN didn't steal some CO plates? I DO think hatchet a key connection because a 22 caliber or body half covered both seem too commonplace although I DO realize the Indy plates alone may have aroused LE's suspicions. OT a bit- Had a dream I was in a house trying to alert LE to DN escalating w/o arousing DN's ire and I had 2 small kids to protect- it was terrifying. I DO suspect Drs Oz & Phil both aimed at bringing KN forward. JMO though! MOO!

I believe the shows were aimed at KN the wife or even the ex? too

Glad u found the thread. Sounds like the case is getting to you. :scream:

 

[TeaTime]

There is not a scintilla of evidence to suggest that a hatchet was used in the murder of TW, Abby, Libby, or the woman that is missing but apparently presumed dead. The attempts to connect DN to all of these crimes borders on hysteria and at the very best, is irrational as it is neither founded on fact or evidence.

There is not a scintilla of evidence to suggest that DN is connected to any of the murders or the missing woman. Yes, LE stated that he is a POI in the Delphi case but EVERYONE is a POI until the case is solved.

LE has DNA from DN and the crime scene. If DN's DNA matched that from the crime scene, LE would not be on the DrP show to generate more leads that they have to follow up on. LE isn't looking for busy work. It doesn't work that way.

Tim Watkins was shot a few times IIRC. He was apparently a gentle and kind man, well-liked by many people and murdered on a popular trail while he biked alone. We know little else of him, his life, his group of friends, his history. We do not know if he had enemies and nice people can have enemies that they don't even know about.

This may have been a random act by a crazy person, it may have been a score being settled, it may have been a scorned lover - we do not know. LE hasn't made any announcements about the investigation and you can be sure that the ballistics have been performed on the bullets that killed TW and the rifle that KN owned. Fingerprints will tell who held the rifle and even if both DN's and KN's prints were on it, LE would announce "we have the murder weapon and 2 suspects". If they found no prints, they would announce "we have the murder weapon".

They haven't. And, until they do can we please stop pinning every unsolved crime on DN? What is happening here is backwards, starting with a selected person and trying to fit facts to him. It gets us no where.

This is my opinion.

 

[Shiressleuth]

http://www.cospringstrails.com/hikes/trail715.html

This link has a good map of trail 715 . It took me a while when I was on Mica's thread working out where this all was in relation to the Catamount area from where she disappeared.

HTH.

 

[Shiressleuth]

There is not a scintilla of evidence to suggest that a hatchet was used in the murder of TW, Abby, Libby, or the woman that is missing but apparently presumed dead. The attempts to connect DN to all of these crimes borders on hysteria and at the very best, is irrational as it is neither founded on fact or evidence.

There is not a scintilla of evidence to suggest that DN is connected to any of the murders or the missing woman. Yes, LE stated that he is a POI in the Delphi case but EVERYONE is a POI until the case is solved.

LE has DNA from DN and the crime scene. If DN's DNA matched that from the crime scene, LE would not be on the DrP show to generate more leads that they have to follow up on. LE isn't looking for busy work. It doesn't work that way.

Tim Watkins was shot a few times IIRC. He was apparently a gentle and kind man, well-liked by many people and murdered on a popular trail while he biked alone. We know little else of him, his life, his group of friends, his history. We do not know if he had enemies and nice people can have enemies that they don't even know about.

This may have been a random act by a crazy person, it may have been a score being settled, it may have been a scorned lover - we do not know. LE hasn't made any announcements about the investigation and you can be sure that the ballistics have been performed on the bullets that killed TW and the rifle that KN owned. Fingerprints will tell who held the rifle and even if both DN's and KN's prints were on it, LE would announce "we have the murder weapon and 2 suspects". If they found no prints, they would announce "we have the murder weapon".

They haven't. And, until they do can we please stop pinning every unsolved crime on DN? What is happening here is backwards, starting with a selected person and trying to fit facts to him. It gets us no where.

This is my opinion.

YVW to your opinion of course.
Just one question.
Why has everything been sealed if all you say is true?
If it were not for all the secrecy nobody would even be questioning it.

 

[kkdj]

I have found his photo in several MSM articles but have been trying to link them and my phone just hangs up. If you google " Edward Lyles sex on the beach" many articles come up. His mug photo does have some similarities with the most recent mug of DN IMO.

mmmmm...... I suppose enough so he could have tried to use his ID. But how would he have obtained it? Would authorities have mailed Lyles things to next of kin? Is DN his closest next of kin? Still seems to me tho that just stealing someone's ID fits this best. I wonder if we will find out.

 

[TeaTime]

YVW to your opinion of course.
Just one question.
Why has everything been sealed if all you say is true?
If it were not for all the secrecy nobody would even be questioning it.

Probably because of the hysteria of social media which would affect any trial for any charges.

 

[Shiressleuth]

mmmmm...... I suppose enough so he could have tried to use his ID. But how would he have obtained it? Would authorities have mailed Lyles things to next of kin? Is DN his closest next of kin? Still seems to me tho that just stealing someone's ID fits this best. I wonder if we will find out.

I am wondering if he contacted his brother's partner, (the woman in court that Stoker apologised to) when he arrived in Colorado Springs. All their belongings were destroyed in their tent fire and that's why they were sharing Stoker and his partner's tent when the assault happened. But he may have had an id or something physically on him at the time of his assault and she may have given it to DN. She wasn't his wife so maybe DN was his NOK. JMO.