Cobra: Tapes, Interviews & Case Discussion

No offense taken...but listen how Ron talkes in the 911 call...I've got better people to talk too...Oh ,,really...who...??? His boys.... nahh...not Ron... Talks to Cobra about putting Joes hands under a Jack... They just met... People like him I've known, If you were to put Ron and Joe at a table I'll bet stories fly on who's badder...seriously...

I hear ya... but if you have known people like that you know they are very cautious... they test the waters before they leap. Can't see either one going in headfirst that soon. IMO

And yes who's bad!!! would be quite a contest... after feelin things out!
 
In the two days of interviews recently she stated she lived within three miles of Green Lane. that could be Sunglow or Magnolia (4.5mi). Paradise Shores where some think she lived is much further and could not be considered 3 mile range.

tommy and lindsy, chelsea and timmy may have taken turns living with Lisa and Hank. Tommy jr definitely lived on Sunglow (San Mateo) before he moved to Tyler. Lisa and Hank share that addy too as Lisa has her DL listed with that addy and the neighbor who used to let them use the phone confirmed they were his neighbors at one time.

You have to check other counties to find records of these players and sometimes you get the addresses if your'e lucky. There are liens, injunctions, evictions, etc. from the counites outside of Putnam. That is where I just found Tommy llived on Sunglow..

If they all were just "house hopping" between realtives can anyone really trace their whereabouts?
Has it ever been revealed why the Croslin's chose Satsuma?
Was it because of the Grandfather that owned the residence that Chelsea or Lyndsy lived in ( can't remember which girl it was...)
 
There is a big problem with this whole idea that the gun was involved in a murder, in which Joe and Ron are supposedly involved. There is no proof of a murder anywhere, when the theory came up from a comment I think on sky, I searched news articles for an entire month prior to Haleigh going missing and found nothing about a murder, I even checked for unsolved murders in Putnum and sourrounding counties. I beleive its possable that they may have ripped someone off and I beleive this was rumored early on, but I dont think they killed someone and even if they did, those people would not retaliate against the murder of one of thier own by killing someones kid. The only thing I agree with Ron about is Dope boys don't do that, and if Ron had "killed" someone they would have killed him, not his kid...but like I said theres no proof anything like a murder took place.
 
There is a big problem with this whole idea that the gun was involved in a murder, in which Joe and Ron are supposedly involved. There is no proof of a murder anywhere, when the theory came up from a comment I think on sky, I searched news articles for an entire month prior to Haleigh going missing and found nothing about a murder, I even checked for unsolved murders in Putnum and sourrounding counties. I beleive its possable that they may have ripped someone off and I beleive this was rumored early on, but I dont think they killed someone and even if they did, those people would not retaliate against the murder of one of thier own by killing someones kid. The only thing I agree with Ron about is Dope boys don't do that, and if Ron had "killed" someone they would have killed him, not his kid...but like I said theres no proof anything like a murder took place.

I think the whole gun thing is to throw us off the main focus here. I may be wrong! I don't think it's guns or drug dealers or a kidnapping. Even if RC was not at fault he knows and is part of the cover up! IMO and the way he goes off on tangents in the cobra tapes prove it me. Haleigh was not his sole and solitary focus plain and simple!
 
One has to ask themselves why rc did not press charges on JO for stealing his gun. RC would do that in a heartbeat unless he has a very good reason for not doing so. Heck, he called the LE and reported Timmy for harassing him on the phone and calling him names. RC loves to turn people in...there is way more to this gun story.

I've never heard if the gun is registered, or hot. If it's hot, Ron would not report it stolen.
 
I've never heard if the gun is registered, or hot. If it's hot, Ron would not report it stolen.

I am sure Ron gave LE a gun with a registered Serial # just not sure it is THE gun if there ever was one... he would have been in major hot water much sooner if it was stolen or had the # ground off
 
Ronald Cummings said:

ron: joe said the corridor would be the perfect 🤬🤬🤬**ing place to kill somebody…

ron: dump them right in the water… let the alligators take care of the rest.

ron: do i think that`s where my daughter`s at? (answers own question) probably.

He also said this:

ron: if i had 75 percent, dude… i`d burn the other 25 percent, and i`d burn whoever it is and sit in prison thinking i was 75% sure i got that person
that had my daughter.

What happened Ronald?

ron: you know what the thing is? you know what the thing is? you know what the thing is?

ron: i`m scared… i`m scared of him.

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Oookay......What do you guess he is, 'bout 130 lbs. soaking wet?

Some walk the walk while others only talk the talk.
 
Ron: i`m scared… i`m scared of him.

unless Ron meant him as in HIM the REALLY BIG GUY...
the one that would judge Ron... Like his truck says?

naw Ron is scared of the 130# guy no doubt! The guy who still is not behind bars!
 
Ronald Cummings said:



He also said this:



What happened Ronald?



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Oookay......What do you guess he is, 'bout 130 lbs. soaking wet?

Some walk the walk while others only talk the talk.

Good morning CP

In reference to those statements made by Ron C you just posted..
IMHO.. They are all untruths..With a couple of RED HERRINGS thrown into the mix.....
IMHO.. No one is capable of grieving the loss of a loved one when their main objective is to deflect from the truth and their ONLY concern is to CTOA..JMO
 
I'm not erasing Joe out of the equastion.. Just cuz he's small... This may sound silly, but being small is why they feel they need something to make them more powerful...Look at his profile picture on MS...He is pointing a gun at you...Thats called itimidation.. Anyone, any size can carry a gun.. If I was walking down the road and a 80 lbs. kid pointed a gun at me.. I would drop... A 450 lbs. kid pointed a gun at me, I would drop....there is no argueing with a gun no matter what size the person is...
 
Good morning CP

In reference to those statements made by Ron C you just posted..
IMHO.. They are all untruths..With a couple of RED HERRINGS thrown into the mix.....
IMHO.. No one is capable of grieving the loss of a loved one when their main objective is to deflect from the truth and their ONLY concern is to CTOA..JMO

Good Morning Em. Of course you're correct, that's the point of my posts. As to RED HERRINGS, let me tell you about something very telling that I did yesterday as a result of too much time on my hands.

I had listened to these tapes a few times, but had never read a transcript before this thread. After reading through the transcripts I couldn't help but notice just how big the RED HERRING seemed to be. Yesterday I decided to find out how much it weighed, LOL.

First, I copy/pasted all of these transcripts and put them continuously into a Word file. Unchanged and unedited they occupied 11.5 pages.

Next, I colored all parts of the various conversations about "Joe done it" red.

Then, I deleted every single line and word spoken by Cobra. I've never placed any value on anything he says anyway, LOL. I had 7 pages left at this point.

Finally, I deleted all of the remaining red lines and words about "Joe done it". I was left with 2 pages of misc. words and ramblings from Ronald Cummings largely occupied with the "Crystal done it" red herring.

What did all of this tell me (other than I shouldn't have left my kids in the mountains as early as I did)? I assigned a "page weight" of 1 lb per page to these transcripts.

-Cobra's junk weighed 4 and 1/2 lbs

-The misc. "Crystal done it" red herring weighed less than 2 lbs

-The "Joe done it" red herring weighed 5 lbs.

In this case, a RED HERRING is an easily identifiable specie. They swim in free waters. It's the fishermen that are in the tank.
 
Good Morning Em. Of course you're correct, that's the point of my posts. As to RED HERRINGS, let me tell you about something very telling that I did yesterday as a result of too much time on my hands.

I had listened to these tapes a few times, but had never read a transcript before this thread. After reading through the transcripts I couldn't help but notice just how big the RED HERRING seemed to be. Yesterday I decided to find out how much it weighed, LOL.

First, I copy/pasted all of these transcripts and put them continuously into a Word file. Unchanged and unedited they occupied 11.5 pages.

Next, I colored all parts of the various conversations about "Joe done it" red.

Then, I deleted every single line and word spoken by Cobra. I've never placed any value on anything he says anyway, LOL. I had 7 pages left at this point.

Finally, I deleted all of the remaining red lines and words about "Joe done it". I was left with 2 pages of misc. words and ramblings from Ronald Cummings largely occupied with the "Crystal done it" red herring.

What did all of this tell me (other than I shouldn't have left my kids in the mountains as early as I did)? I assigned a "page weight" of 1 lb per page to these transcripts.

-Cobra's junk weighed 4 and 1/2 lbs

-The misc. "Crystal done it" red herring weighed less than 2 lbs

-The "Joe done it" red herring weighed 5 lbs.

In this case, a RED HERRING is an easily identifiable specie. They swim in free waters. It's the fishermen that are in the tank.

BBM~ and we all know who are in the "tank" don't we?
 
I'm not erasing Joe out of the equastion.. Just cuz he's small... This may sound silly, but being small is why they feel they need something to make them more powerful...Look at his profile picture on MS...He is pointing a gun at you...Thats called itimidation.. Anyone, any size can carry a gun.. If I was walking down the road and a 80 lbs. kid pointed a gun at me.. I would drop... A 450 lbs. kid pointed a gun at me, I would drop....there is no argueing with a gun no matter what size the person is...

Good Morning Frog. Unless you can refer me to a weapon with a distinct lateral curve to the clip or magazine, I'm believing it's a sprayer of some sort with a hose attached.

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I'm not erasing him out of the equation either, but it's going to take more than solely the words of documented lying drug addicts trying to get out of jail to convince me of his involvement.
 
Good Morning Frog. Unless you can refer me to a weapon with a distinct lateral curve to the clip or magazine, I'm believing it's a sprayer of some sort with a hose attached.

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I'm not erasing him out of the equation either, but it's going to take more than solely the words of documented lying drug addicts trying to get out of jail to convince me of his involvement.

I'm convinced it's a gun after all. I was convinced it wasn't but after seeing one I now believe! NOT that it is or was JO's but he got a pic holding it...
 
Why does he hold the gun in his hand funny? At least, I don't know anything about guns but it looks funny to me, the way he keeps his hand and his gun horizontally, pointing sideways. In every single gun-pointing picture I've ever seen they hold the gun in the shooting position or at least in the general approximation of one, not sideways.
http://www.google.com/images?um=1&h...ing&aq=f&aqi=g5g-m1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&start=0

If it's not meant to be a gun-pointing picture but a photo of the gun details they don't usually put their knuckles in the way.

On Topic:

cobra: 1529? daddy`s dont kill babies, mommies do. daddies dont.
i`m experienced, i got 5 kids dog. i dont think you had nothin to with
s*** to tell you the truth. i aint investigating you. i`ve been investigating everybody else like a mf… but Joe at the top of my f`n list! feel me?

huh? unless this is flattery to get Ron off-guard and make him think Cobra's gonna blame CS for it I'm guessing Cobra doesn't read on WS because I could point him to a zillion cases of daddies killing babies.
 
Why does he hold the gun in his hand funny? At least, I don't know anything about guns but it looks funny to me, the way he keeps his hand and his gun vertically, pointing sideways. In every single gun-pointing picture I've ever seen they hold the gun in the shooting position or at least in the general approximation of one, not sideways.
http://www.google.com/images?um=1&h...ing&aq=f&aqi=g5g-m1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&start=0

If it's not meant to be a gun-pointing picture but a photo of the gun details they don't usually put their knuckles in the way.
~BBM
it has some significance... my son told me... can't remember what he said tho... to 🤬🤬🤬🤬 it sideways like that... I'll have to ask him unless someone else knows.
 
might have something to do with less gun residue after firing it? IDK!
 

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