CocoaMom's Church Theory

[Dolce171]

FWIW, there were absolutely NO astrological indications Caylee was either dismembered or burned. All astrological indicators pointed to watery grave.

IMO, KC would have wanted to "dispose" of the evidence as quickly and cleanly as possible, and the theories of either the dumpster or dropping some sort of container/bag into a body of water fit.

Thanks,
Soulscape

I stand in agreement with you Soulscape. I don't believe that KC has it in her to dismember or to burn anything. We have spoken of a "soft" kill .. sedatives, chloroform on a cloth. Then a few days to try and think of where to dispose of the remains. =(

 

[LCoastMom]

(Well, excuse me lol, people "parrot" and take credit for my theories, ideas, even exact phrasing all the time but I don't get my feathers ruffled because not everyone reads every thread.) For the record I don't believe KC necessarily murdered her child as her neglect alone could have caused Caylee's death--and that IS a far cry in anybody's book from dismembering her limb from limb. It's one thing to be too busy on the computer or texting to properly supervise your toddler, the guilt and horror beyond imagination should you discover them lifeless in the pool. It seems you must not have read any of MY posts or you would consider that no one discovering their child in this instance, beyond hope of revival or of being restored to their former active, alert self could themselves ever be the same. And were that the case, whatever panic or shame she experienced, whatever cover-up she engaged in, it doesn't mean KC then disected her daughter into pieces, and ran around town burying severed parts in numerous locations--she was short on time AND gas so it had to be close and fast, and would've been gruesome enough just lifting her out of the trunk to immerse her eg. Oh but I'm sorry, clearly you are privy to evidence which not even LE has. Afterall it's SO much easier to overdemonize and harder to WAIT for the totality of evidence to emerge. But since I have a pretty good idea where you're going next, show me something which connects the chloroform not to the computer or the trunk but to CAYLEE. TIA JMO

All snarkiness aside I think the letter JB leaked a couple weeks ago is the closest thing we're going to get to a confession. I just haven't been able to wrap my head around why else he would say "IF Caylee is deceased, it was due to an accidental overdose of anesthesia," how does a 2 yo accidentally OD herself on chloroform? she didn't ingest it, had she tried I believe she would have been over come by the fumes. This stuff is really powerful and the smell lingers, if this happened in their home CA should have noticed the aroma and recognized it.

For what it's worth Kiki, I've always found your posts to be informative, well written and non-confrontational with a little dry humor tossed in for flavor.

 

[KellioPSL]

Husband is forcing me into the shower and out to lunch, I will try to find out more info on the burning thing as soon as I get back. please try to get the map or could you give me the link ? ( he better eat fast)

 

[FloridaKatz]

I stand in agreement with you Soulscape. I don't believe that KC has it in her to dismember or to burn anything. We have spoken of a "soft" kill .. sedatives, chloroform on a cloth. Then a few days to try and think of where to dispose of the remains. =(

I thought I heard the woman psychiatrist on NG say that a psychopathic murderer tends to go back and revisit the crime (i.e. renting the movies at Blockbuster, etc.), so then wouldn't it make sense for KC to disassociate herself to the body itself, but go back to the scene of the "body dump" in fear that the way she last left things, could be found, and therefore a day or 2 later, decide to go back and burn the area ? In her mind, she could be thinking, the soul is gone from the body, so no harm in cremating the body myself...Remember there are 2 different timeframes where there is "dead time" on her phone/whereabouts...

I also read in the "Search for Human Remains in the SAR Environment document (posted in the parking lot), starting on P. 21 (Movement of a Body by Human Intervention), that the geography of a murder activity often corresponds with the "least effort" principle, and one's desire to "operate in one's comfort zone balance". So it would make sense that she would put the body in a place that she would be comfortable with (like perhaps a church lot), and just go back a few days later to, in a sense, glorify /relive the event, and then also, just strike up a fire (not much effort there) in an attempt to destroy the remains.

Sorry for the rambling.... :crazy:

 

[LCoastMom]

Exactly ! I was thinking the same thing after I saw that burned patch of trees just north of the church. And remember all the fires that were on the east side of Orlando around that same time, going all the way down the Beachline towards Cocoa ? OMG, OMG, OMG !!! Gas cans, not far from their house...

There was also a picture of a bonfire being started in her photobucket, taken at a night party (back in March IIRC) with the caption gasoline burns so much better?/faster?/hotter?/something I saved it but don't know how to copy it here. It made a chill run up and down my spine when I saw it!

The thing with burning a body is, the smell is very distinct, takes quite a while and doesn't get rid of everything.:waitasec:

Where could she have gone with that kind of privacy, where smoke would have alerted no one. I have a hard time buying into the burn because of this.

 

[cocoamom]

FWIW, there were absolutely NO astrological indications Caylee was either dismembered or burned. All astrological indicators pointed to watery grave.

IMO, KC would have wanted to "dispose" of the evidence as quickly and cleanly as possible, and the theories of either the dumpster or dropping some sort of container/bag into a body of water fit.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Also, on NG a shrink said 80% of female murderers put the body in water. Odds are favorable, stars are favorable, I'm favorable too!

 

[mom_of_five]

I'm in the Tampa Bay area, but willing to drive to help in any search of Hawk's Hollow, etc. Keep me in mind if any "secret/undisclosed" searches are planned. For anyone with interest in the astrological side, I'm also a double Pisces (sun and moon) so I might be able to add something a little 'extra' to the search.

That being said, I really don't believe KC burned the body (perhaps other evidence, though), but I do agree that it can certainly be done without suspicion here in central Florida due to all the frequent brushfires. The watery grave option is where I'm being led. Let's not forget that KC might be lazy, but she IS clever and has had lots of experience with LE.

 

[LCoastMom]

We're up to almost 750 posts in this 'chapter' is it time to close it and start 2.5?

 

[KellioPSL]

It just dawned on me why the gas bothers me so much, kc always stole the gas from ga but she never took the cans before. I bet she stood right out in the driveway and emptied the cans into her tank. It wouldnt take long a couple in minutes. I bet if they asked some of the neighbors they would find someone that saw her doing it. No for some reason she had to take the cans with her on the 18th of June. She needed to use them somewhere else away from the parents home. I'm not really sure what soft kill means. I think she left that house in a rage, she went to her secret special place, she got out of the car got the baby out, she then picked her up put her in the trunk, she never placed it over her face, she had already put the soaked cloth in the trunk cause she had chloroform hidden at secret spot, she had already made it, she made her lay down shut the trunk and walked off. When she came back from her little walk it was over no oxygen. This was just after late 15th early 16th. back in a little while husband getting mad. Thats why I'm obsessed makes me sick.....

 

[cocoamom]

I just looked at it again. Does anyone know how to copy and put a picture in a post from an internet map ?

In mapquest get the map the way you want it - zoomed or whatever. Look in the top right. Click on the icon that looks like the link in a chain. Copy (right click)that address - it is long. come back here, click post a reply then click the icon under the smiley face above that looks like a chain with the earth. Erase the http// and paste your link in. Click OK. That gives us the link to go see it and takes less space here than a picture...

 

[FloridaKatz]

Husband is forcing me into the shower and out to lunch, I will try to find out more info on the burning thing as soon as I get back. please try to get the map or could you give me the link ? ( he better eat fast)

You're too funny. Tell him it's pre-winter dieting season !! Luckily mine is as interested in all this as I am ;-)

If you put in the church address, here's the link for the MS Live Maps:

http://maps.live.com/#JnE9eXAuTitHb...3NDQwMjk0NzA1NjclN2UtODEuMjg3NzU1OTY2MTg2NQ==

OR, here goes with trying to add a pic. Look in the lower right hand corner of the red circle area.

 

[LCoastMom]

I can't read anything on the map at that size. What are we looking at?:waitasec:

 

[cocoamom]

Oh my! 34,000+ views of this thread! Lots of people reading here! All kinds of people - please remember that...

 

[FloridaKatz]

There was also a picture of a bonfire being started in her photobucket, taken at a night party (back in March IIRC) with the caption gasoline burns so much better?/faster?/hotter?/something I saved it but don't know how to copy it here. It made a chill run up and down my spine when I saw it!

The thing with burning a body is, the smell is very distinct, takes quite a while and doesn't get rid of everything.:waitasec:

Where could she have gone with that kind of privacy, where smoke would have alerted no one. I have a hard time buying into the burn because of this.

Bolding is mine.

Anywhere in the eastern orlando area, late at night or earlier in the morning where you can drive your car right up to a marshy/brushy area Lot's of places like that in the following area :

North east Orlando to Oveido area
South east Orlando to Beeline (Beachline)
South west to just west of OIA
North West to Winter Park

Which is pretty much the "boxed" travel circumfrence of all of her cell pings.

 

[FloridaKatz]

I can't read anything on the map at that size. What are we looking at?:waitasec:

On that particular map, the area within the red circle. Look at the difference in color where you see lush green in the outer circumfrence, but a burned brownish area near the bottom center and bottom right hand side.

Cocoamom - can you confirm that my map is the same church area in your theory ? I used the address that was shown earlier on in your theory thread.. thanks!

 

[FloridaKatz]

Oh my! 34,000+ views of this thread! Lots of people reading here! All kinds of people - please remember that...

We can ask a Mod to move it to the Parking Lot if you think we need to ???

 

[cocoamom]

What bothers me about the burn theory is her car - must be close - gas cans the size of what was taken from the Anthony house are heavy - as is a body for a long walk - even a child. She's lazy and likes her nails/claws done so doesn't like messes I'm sure. Needs to pull up, open trunk, few steps, body, fire, cans back in car - don't get stuck or blow up car, etc. stay to be sure burned good enough? worried someone will come to put out the fire? come back later? Bones don't burn - even at crematorium. Must be pulverized. Can't leave bones - too yucky to touch, scoop and move far enough away, might burn hair when lighting - gas goes POOF, too hot...

 

[Meagain]

How do you burn something that's wet? A dead body is 'wet'. It would take days. And the smell, etc.
No way.

I believe she's in the water or was put in a dumpster. Is there water at the church?

 

[cocoamom]

See the retention pond? The Econ river tributary runs right through the church property - deep ravines - go back and see the pics again helps -

link to map:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=...422,-81.288421&spn=0.004268,0.009656&t=h&z=17

 

[cocoamom]

Have to go clean house - wrecked from lack of care!!! Would someone post the link to the property appraiser or whatever that was that you can search for ownership and boundary lines? Thanks! Back later