CocoaMom's Church Theory

[TURBOTHINK]

Where is this from the church CocoaMom?

On June 18, Anthony's phone went silent at 6:57 p.m. and did not ping another tower until 8:32 a.m. June 19. In both cases, her phone pinged a tower near her boyfriend's apartment. Her whereabouts during that time is not known.

On June 19, Anthony's phone pinged near her boyfriend's apartment at 4:54 p.m., then her movements head south and east, according to cell phone pings, Pipitone said. "Heading east and hitting (a) cell tower on Lake Underhill Road ... but from here, her cell phone goes dead for three hours and 17 minutes. Where could she have gone in that time?" Pipitone said.

The last ping from the Lake Underhill tower was at 5:45 p.m., and the phone then went silent until a ping near her boyfriend's apartment. She then called her parents' home at 9:13 p.m., and there's no indication where Anthony was during the time frame.

 

[FloridaKatz]

Where is this from the church CocoaMom?

On June 18, Anthony's phone went silent at 6:57 p.m. and did not ping another tower until 8:32 a.m. June 19. In both cases, her phone pinged a tower near her boyfriend's apartment. Her whereabouts during that time is not known.

On June 19, Anthony's phone pinged near her boyfriend's apartment at 4:54 p.m., then her movements head south and east, according to cell phone pings, Pipitone said. "Heading east and hitting (a) cell tower on Lake Underhill Road ... but from here, her cell phone goes dead for three hours and 17 minutes. Where could she have gone in that time?" Pipitone said.

The last ping from the Lake Underhill tower was at 5:45 p.m., and the phone then went silent until a ping near her boyfriend's apartment. She then called her parents' home at 9:13 p.m., and there's no indication where Anthony was during the time frame.

Hey Turbo -

If you look at Georgia PI's ping map for June 16th:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2008-6-16&c=4

Now look at the little yellow house that indicates AL's apt., then look at the blue car that represents Amscot. Now draw a straight line between the two. The church falls right in the middle of that straight line. So based on the pings and her direction of travel, she would have went right by this church...every time she left ALs, heading south for all 3 days that she was pinging (16th, 17th and 18th), that everyone is looking so closely at.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Hey Turbo -

If you look at Georgia PI's ping map for June 16th:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2008-6-16&c=4

Now look at the little yellow house that indicates AL's apt., then look at the blue car that represents Amscot. Now draw a straight line between the two. The church falls right in the middle of that straight line. So based on the pings and her direction of travel, she would have went right by this church...every time she left ALs, heading south for all 3 days that she was pinging (16th, 17th and 18th), that everyone is looking so closely at.

WOW...............exactly in the middle. It said east so she would have been right around that church when it went silent. Thank you.

 

[mom_of_five]

Just noticed that the street that ends just to the west of Hawk's Hollow -- it, in essence, points right to Hawk's Hollow -- is named Amethyst Lane. A little tidbit: amethyst is the zodiac stone for the sign of Pisces (KC's Sun Sign).

 

[kiki the parrot]

All snarkiness aside I think the letter JB leaked a couple weeks ago is the closest thing we're going to get to a confession. I just haven't been able to wrap my head around why else he would say "IF Caylee is deceased, it was due to an accidental overdose of anesthesia," how does a 2 yo accidentally OD herself on chloroform? she didn't ingest it, had she tried I believe she would have been over come by the fumes. This stuff is really powerful and the smell lingers, if this happened in their home CA should have noticed the aroma and recognized it.

For what it's worth Kiki, I've always found your posts to be informative, well written and non-confrontational with a little dry humor tossed in for flavor.

(Actually, tho no official "public retraction" was issued lol, per Cocoa I guess it wasn't really my post to which she'd intended to reply... so thank you, but no worries... )

The defense IMO is, like the rest of us, at the mercy of KC's stonewalling--so left to speculate and stabbing in the dark w explanations of what might have happened and for their client's puzzling behavior. Neither a trial nor defense strategy, nor an admission... just sheer speculation. Caylee's decomp is connected to KC's trunk. And a search for how to make chloroform is connected to the computer. But for all the talk of chloroform-soaked rags, and poisoned chocolate milk, there is to date nothing specifically linking any chloroform to Caylee. Nor is there anything remotely indicating Caylee was ever alive while inside the trunk. We have to remember KC's presumably kept her own defense in the dark too, who were providing this to the Court in their duty and effort to spare their client the DP. But it represents neither their defense, nor any explanation given by KC, nor the totality of evidence. The defense is just doing it's job by providing a list of conceivable, hypothetical scenarios which would not warrant the death penalty. What I learned from latest docs, esp interview w/ GA, only made me more convinced this was likely drowning due to negligence... Everyone's forgetting that even the mention of "sedatives" or overdose is merely one of a collection of plausible unpremeditated scenarios in which Caylee COULD have potentially lost her life. So... as agonizing as I know this is, we really do need to await the totality of evidence and avoid rushing to judgment. JMHUO

 

[kiki the parrot]

Cocaomom -
I hadn't read your post before I posted mine about an alternative location.

I'm sorry to hear this. On the positive side, at the very least, those in charge of the property will likely have a heightened awareness and just may keep their eyes open to the possibility. Also, I'm assuming that if LE should decide to get involved that they would be able to work around the issue of this being private property.

ITA w everything.

 

[FloridaKatz]

WOW...............exactly in the middle. It said east so she would have been right around that church when it went silent. Thank you.

Well not "exactly" in the middle. It's more south towards the Amscot but still along that straight line and close enough. Perfect place to hang out (on more than 1 occasion) and be "phone silent".

Just watching the NG rerun where the Psych. talks about how the murderer likes to "revisit" the scene of the event, like SP going back to the Bay, OJ writing the book "if I did it", etc. I then went back and looked at the easiest path to get back and forth from the A's house to ALs apt., without having to pay a toll (since she rarely had money), and the path would eventually have her going down Goldenrod, right past the church, every time she goes back and forth.

 

[TinPan]

I don't think there are many parents that can even think about killing a child. KC did and then carried it out. Why do some of you think she could not burn Caylees' body? Heck, she was proving to be more trouble to KC dead than when she was when alive. How could she entertain all her men, keep her nails looking good, wear her sexy dresses and party all night moving and hiding a smelly body? She wasn't even driving the car at that time, why would she need the gas for the car? I would not rule out anything with her.

 

[distracted]

I keep coming back to this thread because my gut is telling me you are on to something. If not the church, in the general vicinity.

 

[cocoamom]

Thank you to everyone for your support. I am always open to "expansions" on this theory - I truly believe that even if Caylee is not at this church area, she is very, very close to here...we all keep zeroing in on it!! We feel it scientifically, logically, emotionally and psychically - are those all real words? LOL Keep the wheels turning in your minds - we will get there!

 

[cocoamom]

Oh by the way - I don't believe in their security either - 2 hrs I was there remember? I looked remember? That's why I was "biting my tongue"!! Hate to think that a church would lie though!

 

[LeLe1953]

Oh by the way - I don't believe in their security either - 2 hrs I was there remember? I looked remember? That's why I was "biting my tongue"!! Hate to think that a church would lie though!

Well ya know, I think I would just have to have a picnic with my "friends" in this area. A picnic is harmless right? You chat, eat, walk & chat, look at the scenery, walk some more & chat...gotta walk off lunch ya know. I would so leave a picnic basket & blanket in site. Course I would make sure I was seen eating as well. Just a thought.

 

[yosande]

Cocoamom
not sure what to read into these developments, but the thing that really strikes me is if they really had cameras you would have been stopped. But I agree le needs to do the searching. Even if this is not the secret place, it will be a place very much like it.

If I were a parent and had my child in their school, I'd at the very least be asking questions, and very likely pulling my kid out of there.
IMO that church responded in the opposite way they should have. They need to be honest, and correct their lack of security pronto.
They also need to check the area, and make sure Caylee isn't there.
I hope LE requests a search of the area.
I thought your idea was well thought out, and it's worth a look around.

 

[TinPan]

When you asked he probably had a vision of what has been on TV lately. That would scare someone that would normally say yes go ahead you have our blessings. Maybe someone can get through to them, can you request that no media or GP be there?

 

[leophoenix]

I agree with the previous poster that she didn't burn the body. She is correct that gas is highly flammable but, also explosive. If she doused in gas and set flame she would have likely caught herself on fire as even the fumes explode.

When I asked about a deceased ZG I was thinking of a location between ZF and G. She was adamant about the hyphen. Is there a deceased Zen. Fern?

 

[karenz]

CocoaMom

I believe that there is a reason for everything and sometimes we don't know the reason. Out of every bad thing there is good. I wonder if your "purpose" at this church was not to find Caylee necessarily but to make the church aware their children need to be protected as well as the Caylee's of the world.

Also, I ditto the post above, if not this church, there is a place like this, a "neutral place" that we all need to keep looking. Definitely on the right track.

Thanks again CocoaMOM!

 

[FloridaKatz]

Oh by the way - I don't believe in their security either - 2 hrs I was there remember? I looked remember? That's why I was "biting my tongue"!! Hate to think that a church would lie though!

If they had CCTV cameras and you were there for 2 hours, the monitoring company would have zoomed in on you or your car tag, and the cops would have been there investigating a suspicious person in no time. At the very least, a guard would have come out and spoke to you.

Speaking of CCTV's, if they were using these, wouldn't it be great. We could then ask them to go back and look at their footage for the May and June timeframe to see if KC is captured on any of the tape.

 

[mom_of_five]

If they had CCTV cameras and you were there for 2 hours, the monitoring company would have zoomed in on you or your car tag, and the cops would have been there investigating a suspicious person in no time. At the very least, a guard would have come out and spoke to you.

Speaking of CCTV's, if they were using these, wouldn't it be great. We could then ask them to go back and look at their footage for the May and June timeframe to see if KC is captured on any of the tape.

Bingo.

 

[cocoamom]

When you asked he probably had a vision of what has been on TV lately. That would scare someone that would normally say yes go ahead you have our blessings. Maybe someone can get through to them, can you request that no media or GP be there?

I did. I said 2-3 people, no cameras, no media, no famous people, just 2-3 regular everyday people who would sign releases if they wanted. They obviously didn't think about this much.

And yes, I would have snatched my kid RIGHT out of their "private" church school AND called LE on what happened right under their noses!!!!

 

[Pocono Sleuther]

Well ya know, I think I would just have to have a picnic with my "friends" in this area. A picnic is harmless right? You chat, eat, walk & chat, look at the scenery, walk some more & chat...gotta walk off lunch ya know. I would so leave a picnic basket & blanket in site. Course I would make sure I was seen eating as well. Just a thought.

I think that is a superb idea LeLe. A picnic would be lovely. Can't do a darn thing about someone enjoying the great outdoors.

Good idea!:clap: