CocoaMom's Church Theory

[david918]

Wow! Great David918! Thanks for that work! Question, how would she put her in the park or even go in there with her car? It closes at dark, gates locked, no way in except on foot. If on foot, where did she park the car that was a short enough walk? These are some of the reasons I started to discount the Blanchard Park theory, then I saw the church! No gates, no locks, no problem...

I also did some research on Chloroform a while ago. Appears it is pretty short term (30 minutes to 2 hrs) for knocking someone out - unless combined with another sedative - hmmmm.

The way Murt described it is you can get to the YMCA at anytime and there is a fence that is easy to open so that you can walk into the park. When I say she was in Blanchard Park I only mean she is connecting up to the tower that is the closest to the park. there really isnt any other points of interest that this tower could serve at that time of night .... there are other towers that are closer to her friends and family houses, amscot and fusian so its like I eliminated locations other than the park becuase they have towers closer to them. Also its not like she is passing thru because of the 2 plus hours on the same tower. Now after seeing some of the activity again at the dive location it still seems odd that the first night away by TonE is the night of all this unusual activity.

 

[david918]

The way Murt described it is you can get to the YMCA at anytime and there is a fence that is easy to open so that you can walk into the park. When I say she was in Blanchard Park I only mean she is connecting up to the tower that is the closest to the park. there really isnt any other points of interest that this tower could serve at that time of night .... there are other towers that are closer to her friends and family houses, amscot and fusian so its like I eliminated locations other than the park becuase they have towers closer to them. Also its not like she is passing thru because of the 2 plus hours on the same tower. Now after seeing some of the activity again at the dive location it still seems odd that the first night away by TonE is the night of all this unusual activity.

I have to admit I am in the telecom industry and have worked with mobile providers for over 10 years so I know how these networks are built and how they work. While I cannot tell any proprietary information I can answer general questions with regard to mobile voice and data networks. In my own opinion you have to not only look at the location of the tower but what provider actually owns the tower. Most all of the big wireless service providers swap capacity but I can also tell you that they reserve capacity for just their subscribers - hence the reason you might see a call from the same area connecting to different towers. I can also tell you that your handset negotiates the connection to the serving tower by a method that looks at the radio frequency power and based on the strength the handset will then be advertised to the network as in that tower domain. This is a basic priciple of call routing .. ie the network is ALWAYS aware of where your handset is so when a request is made to deliver a call to you the NETWORK already knows what path to send the call because it has already been determined in ADVANCE. So when I suggested the tower most likely to handle calls for a ATT customer in the YMCA/Blanchard park area there is really only "one option". There is a reason why the YMCA / Blanchard Park area is such a hot spot right now. There is a window of opportunity when that handset was in that park that is not during normal hours.

 

[Dolce171]

I have to admit I am in the telecom industry and have worked with mobile providers for over 10 years so I know how these networks are built and how they work. While I cannot tell any proprietary information I can answer general questions with regard to mobile voice and data networks. In my own opinion you have to not only look at the location of the tower but what provider actually owns the tower. Most all of the big wireless service providers swap capacity but I can also tell you that they reserve capacity for just their subscribers - hence the reason you might see a call from the same area connecting to different towers. I can also tell you that your handset negotiates the connection to the serving tower by a method that looks at the radio frequency power and based on the strength the handset will then be advertised to the network as in that tower domain. This is a basic priciple of call routing .. ie the network is ALWAYS aware of where your handset is so when a request is made to deliver a call to you the NETWORK already knows what path to send the call because it has already been determined in ADVANCE. So when I suggested the tower most likely to handle calls for a ATT customer in the YMCA/Blanchard park area there is really only "one option". There is a reason why the YMCA / Blanchard Park area is such a hot spot right now. There is a window of opportunity when that handset was in that park that is not during normal hours.

Incredible wealth of information David918!!! Thank you for providing such detail!!!! :clap:...:clap:...:clap:

 

[Rachelle-Marie]

I have a theory of my own here... it's a little far out there but then again, so is EVERYTHING involving this case...

I think Casey was involved in some sort of drug ring or prostitution ring and got in some trouble with the boss or leader of this ring... I feel like she probably owed alot of debt to someone and that along the way her child paid the price for what she had done...
she won't talk and tell the truth cause she's done illegal acts and she doesn't want to give anyone up in fear of retaliation.
-somewhat similar to that case in Nevada where the little boy was kidnapped because his grandpa had stolen money from a drug cartel...

far fetched... but to me there just has to be something else involved here...

 

[Hope for the Best]

I have a theory of my own here... it's a little far out there but then again, so is EVERYTHING involving this case...

I think Casey was involved in some sort of drug ring or prostitution ring and got in some trouble with the boss or leader of this ring... I feel like she probably owed alot of debt to someone and that along the way her child paid the price for what she had done...
she won't talk and tell the truth cause she's done illegal acts and she doesn't want to give anyone up in fear of retaliation.
-somewhat similar to that case in Nevada where the little boy was kidnapped because his grandpa had stolen money from a drug cartel...

far fetched... but to me there just has to be something else involved here...

I used to think that, too. Until I heard about the chloroform. What was that used for? KC did something to that little girl and whether or not she meant for her to die, I'm not sure, but she is responsible.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I have a theory of my own here... it's a little far out there but then again, so is EVERYTHING involving this case...

I think Casey was involved in some sort of drug ring or prostitution ring and got in some trouble with the boss or leader of this ring... I feel like she probably owed alot of debt to someone and that along the way her child paid the price for what she had done...
she won't talk and tell the truth cause she's done illegal acts and she doesn't want to give anyone up in fear of retaliation.
-somewhat similar to that case in Nevada where the little boy was kidnapped because his grandpa had stolen money from a drug cartel...

far fetched... but to me there just has to be something else involved here...

Poor KC. And the "boss" or ring leader used KC's (CA's) car to do the dastardly deed... I don't think so. I'm not a gambler but 10 to 1 the Nevada boy's family car didn't have his decomp in it... JMO

 

[BleuEyes]

I'm all in following LP's search/discovery at BP.
Is this river in BP in any way connected to an area
near this church? I noticed in the pix there was a
culvert. Just wondered if there was water that
emptied into the river in the park. I'm not really
good at following on the areial map. TIA,
and apologies if this was discussed and I missed it.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I'm all in following LP's search/discovery at BP.
Is this river in BP in any way connected to an area
near this church? I noticed in the pix there was a
culvert. Just wondered if there was water that
emptied into the river in the park. I'm not really
good at following on the areial map. TIA,
and apologies if this was discussed and I missed it.

I believe Cocoa said earlier that it is connected, a small tributary or something to that effect... keep wishing they could get some dogs down in those culverts. JMO

 

[BleuEyes]

I believe Cocoa said earlier that it is connected, a small tributary or something to that effect... keep wishing they could get some dogs down in those culverts. JMO

Thanks. So maybe just possible that if more than one bag were
used (taking into consideration that serious decomp may have caused
limbs to detach from torso, etc) and shovel was used to perhaps
scoop remains into more than one bag there might be another bag
somewhere in the culvert or the tributary. And the one recovered
today might have traveled down the waterway into the park at some
point? Or vice versa if moved by animal (?gator?) and got stuck
in the culvert. I'm feeling creeped out right now.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Thanks. So maybe just possible that if more than one bag were
used (taking into consideration that serious decomp may have caused
limbs to detach from torso, etc) and shovel was used to perhaps
scoop remains into more than one bag there might be another bag
somewhere in the culvert or the tributary. And the one recovered
today might have traveled down the waterway into the park at some
point? Or vice versa if moved by animal (?gator?) and got stuck
in the culvert. I'm feeling creeped out right now.

From Cocoa's photos not sure much water's flowing in those culverts now but there may have been at one time when water levels were higher--she would know better than I. Negligent, yes... devious and covering up, without a doubt. But a stomach for dealing w dismemberment? Not so much, from what we know. Not sure re state of decomp but as everyone repeatedly says on these threads, it had to be quick, and easy. Would've been grisly enough just lifting her out of the trunk, eeesh... JMO

 

[BleuEyes]

From Cocoa's photos not sure much water's flowing in those culverts now but there may have been at one time when water levels were higher--she would know better than I. Negligent, yes... devious and covering up, without a doubt. But a stomach for dealing w dismemberment? Not so much, from what we know. Not sure re state of decomp but as everyone repeatedly says on these threads, it had to be quick, and easy. Would've been grisly enough just lifting her out of the trunk, eeesh... JMO

No, I don't think she dismembered the body, I was just thinking if the
body had really decomposed and perhaps started to come apart due to
being in the trunk. That's why I thought maybe she used the shovel
as a way of sliding the body into bag(s).

 

[KellioPSL]

I'm new at this but did David918 say Bella Vida Bl? Is that not the same as her new tattoo?

 

[mom_of_five]

I've read every post in this thread...has it been determined what (if anything) is going to come from this theory? Will the area be searched?

 

[david918]

I'm new at this but did David918 say Bella Vida Bl? Is that not the same as her new tattoo?

Yes there is a Bella Vita Blvd in east Orlando. Back in early August we did a thread about this but way before we had all the cell phone pings on a map. I can tell you this and Ive covered this since Day 1 .. something happened the night of 6-30 into the early morning hours of 7-1. There were cell pings off the tower that serves Blanchard Park YMCA area from 12:07am to 2:00 am then those pings moved east to an area that has Bella Vita Blvd. Pings from towers that surround Bella Vita Blvd occured from 2:00 am to 10:00 am on July 1 (approx). Remember this is the night that TonY L was out of town for the first night as KC was texting and calling him during these late night hours. KC was definitely not near the Tony L apartment. Worth noting is the pings in the Bella Vita Blvd area only happened on the early morning hours of 7-1 and never again. This area is full of new construction - nice big homes - private community. KC did the tatoo Bella Vita either on July 2 or July 3 depending on how you interpret the cell pings. So I ask again .. isnt it strange that KC pinged off the primary tower serving Blanchard Park YMCA area from 12am - 2am then moved east from 2am to 10 am in an area that had Bella Vita Blvd surrounded by cell towers? No sleep that night ... first night away from Tony L .. in a Jeep not a Sunfire ... why didnt she just stay at Tony L apartment? this is the timeframe of interest and why LP is at the river search now ... LP gets it where most dont.

 

[cocoamom]

CID is Cell ID - and actually I am referring to the least-significant (first) digit. The antenna on a cell tower is shaped like a triangle. From what I understand is that when CID=1, the north side of the antenna is pinged. When CID=2, it is the southeast side. When CID=3, it is the southwest side. This I got from another WS'er who got it from a friend in the business.

I believe the above is an oversimplification. First, many towers have multiple triangular-shaped antennas - one on top of the other - and a simple image search on Google shows they do not all have the same orientation. I have viewed several of the antennas in question using the OCPA website and, while they all are generally oriented as described above, they are slightly different from one another.

Also, I see the occasional CIDs greater than 3. I cannot find references on the web that can help me better interpret the IDs.

Cell towers can most definitely overlap by a significant amount. Case in point: One of the tower locations that is pinged frequently when Casey is at her parents actually holds two large towers less that 100 feet apart. Her phone pings both towers.

So I guess that would mean this triangle antenna thingy would have to be 180 degrees reversed from normal for her to ping this tower from the church? Is that even possible that the position of the antenna could be that off? Getting depressed here...I am seeing 2 as the CID on these pings so Southwest of the tower right?

 

[cocoamom]

so did anyone ask the church for permission to search ?

Yes, awaiting word...

 

[david918]

Wow, this freaked me out, it makes perfect sense! What was she doing for two hours in the middle of the night at BP???!!

IMO ... KC was disposing of CL in the river where LP is now searching. LP divers may not find it but LP is spot on here. If you just take out the emotion of this whole deal and follow the "out of normal" activities you will get it. Why else would KC be in the BP area from 12am to 2am? The events of this night were not documented prior and not documented after. KC acted out on this night ... it makes perfect sense if you look at it considering the events of the last 2 days. I appreciate the sleuthing taking place on this thread concerning the church theory but how can you overlook the fact KC was in the BP area "alone" 12am to 2am then moved east from 2am to 10am before going back to the area near TonyL apartment? The ping data supports this and the fact that the river in BP is so hot right now only makes it more possible.

 

[passionflower]

Yes, awaiting word...

hope someone checks out your theory, makes since to me and so does the culvert area today.......

 

[cocoamom]

The way Murt described it is you can get to the YMCA at anytime and there is a fence that is easy to open so that you can walk into the park. When I say she was in Blanchard Park I only mean she is connecting up to the tower that is the closest to the park. there really isnt any other points of interest that this tower could serve at that time of night .... there are other towers that are closer to her friends and family houses, amscot and fusian so its like I eliminated locations other than the park becuase they have towers closer to them. Also its not like she is passing thru because of the 2 plus hours on the same tower. Now after seeing some of the activity again at the dive location it still seems odd that the first night away by TonE is the night of all this unusual activity.

I searched with TES right by the YMCA on Saturday and was sure to be observant of these things. The entrance to the park and the YMCA is off of Rouse Rd. You can see it on most maps. There is a gate and sign said it is locked at dark. Yes, you can walk around it but it is quite a hike to anywhere and you would have to leave your car on that two lane road with no parking.

There are 2 towers that ping Blanchard Park, one on this East side by the YMCA (would ping this tower for where LP is searching), and one on the West side about .5 miles Southwest of the church. This Western tower would also ping the West side of Blanchard. I am going on my assumption that cell companies wouldn't spend big $$ and lease fees for land they put towers on only to have them overlap each other everywhere.

The idea is to make money off of other companies needing to use your tower. The more towers, the less money and the more spent on leasing the land they are on. I have one down the road from me and the land owner gets a HEFTY monthly check! Also, start looking at them in your day to day travels, you will notice smaller towers in populated areas and larger towers in remote areas. I called ATT and they told me that smaller ones have shorter ranges than the bigger ones but I don't know how reliable that info is. Still researching that.

 

[cocoamom]

I have to admit I am in the telecom industry and have worked with mobile providers for over 10 years so I know how these networks are built and how they work. While I cannot tell any proprietary information I can answer general questions with regard to mobile voice and data networks. In my own opinion you have to not only look at the location of the tower but what provider actually owns the tower. Most all of the big wireless service providers swap capacity but I can also tell you that they reserve capacity for just their subscribers - hence the reason you might see a call from the same area connecting to different towers. I can also tell you that your handset negotiates the connection to the serving tower by a method that looks at the radio frequency power and based on the strength the handset will then be advertised to the network as in that tower domain. This is a basic priciple of call routing .. ie the network is ALWAYS aware of where your handset is so when a request is made to deliver a call to you the NETWORK already knows what path to send the call because it has already been determined in ADVANCE. So when I suggested the tower most likely to handle calls for a ATT customer in the YMCA/Blanchard park area there is really only "one option". There is a reason why the YMCA / Blanchard Park area is such a hot spot right now. There is a window of opportunity when that handset was in that park that is not during normal hours.

OK, I'm getting it now. But the tower that pinged was the one way West of the YMCA, not the one on the East side. So if she was on the East side near the search area and the Y, would she ping the far WEST tower even though another tower is closer to the actual phone? Maybe yes if the East tower was owned by another company?